[hardgums]

If, as it seems, we're destined to spend another season in Div, I'd be more than a little confident about our chances next year. I've watched us plenty of times this season and in most instances we've been masters of our own downfall. No teams have looked remotely special. OK, Walsall at our place looked decent as did Notts and Wimbledon but Walsall looked bang average when they beat us at their place. Port Vale are just physical, Bradford were very lucky to beat us at Valley Parade. Donny were tonked by us home and away and amongst the other challengers Crewe are yet to face us at home but away.....! Looking at the bottom of Div 1 and top of the National League, I can't see any of those teams presenting us with a stern test. All that said, we are the mighty Spireites and we've shown this season we're pretty good at shooting ourselves in the foot!

[Misnomer]

I agree, and it makes it all the more galling to see us where we are, and the likes of Bromley above us.

I find the injury situation utterly bizarre. The consistent level of injuries needs to be questioned, and it's something we certainly don't need to see a repeat of. Three or four, I can understand; fifteen odd, that's not just bad luck. Maybe the sports science team will be moved on.

Fwiw, I expect MK to be up there next season, and Peterborough, if they go down. I'd expect us to be in the top seven but, that's going to depend on who we recruit and who we keep. The idea was to get a team together that was going to be able to compete in league one; that definitely didn't happen.

This post has been edited by Misnomer: 26 February 2025 - 02:05 PM

[born in 1866]

 Misnomer, on 26 February 2025 - 02:04 PM, said:

I agree, and it makes it all the more galling to see us where we are, and the likes of Bromley above us.

I find the injury situation utterly bizarre. The consistent level of injuries needs to be questioned, and it's something we certainly don't need to see a repeat of. Three or four, I can understand; fifteen odd, that's not just bad luck. Maybe the sports science team will be moved on.

Fwiw, I expect MK to be up there next season, and Peterborough, if they go down. I'd expect us to be in the top seven but, that's going to depend on who we recruit and who we keep. The idea was to get a team together that was going to be able to compete in league one; that definitely didn't happen.

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

[Goku]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

Yeah, I've not been keeping count but I don't think we can speak in broad strokes about the injuries without listing out each injury that each player has suffered. As you say, what can we do about impact injuries?

[Misnomer]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

Do you mean contact injuries?

[calvin plummers socks]

 Goku, on 26 February 2025 - 02:13 PM, said:

Yeah, I've not been keeping count but I don't think we can speak in broad strokes about the injuries without listing out each injury that each player has suffered. As you say, what can we do about impact injuries?

For the sake of argument - move quicker?.?

If anyone could be arsked - would be interesting to see the list of players and injuries

[Misnomer]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

If it's as simple as you say it is, why would the club feel they have to 'investigate' it?

https://www.derbyshi...-crisis-4913314

 calvin plummers socks, on 26 February 2025 - 02:20 PM, said:

For the sake of argument - move quicker?.?

If anyone could be arsked - would be interesting to see the list of players and injuries

This is more your area than mine, what's your thoughts on it?

[born in 1866]

 Misnomer, on 26 February 2025 - 02:25 PM, said:

If it's as simple as you say it is, why would the club feel they have to 'investigate' it?

https://www.derbyshi...-crisis-4913314



This is more your area than mine, what's your thoughts on it?

Since when have discussions been investigations?

[gordon_brittas]

Fingers crossed Peterborough don?t come down. Bottom 4 of current League 1 aren?t amazing. Hope we see the back of Doncaster Bradford and Notts County. Agree MK will compete next season possibly Gillingham too. Like Barnet and Halifax to come up from the National League.

Make the right signings and the league championship is there for our taking next year.

[Misnomer]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 03:22 PM, said:

Since when have discussions been investigations?

Ask Liam Norcliffe....

Semantics, mate. He also says, "looking into it"; isn't that the same as investigating?

Tbh you think there isn't a problem and they are all down to bad luck. I'm ok with that, it's your perspective. Put up a list of the players and their injuries and we can discuss whether or not they could have been avoided (probably on a new thread).

This thread was about next year and our chances; seems to have shifted focus.

[Lincs Spireite]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

But surely every team in the league will have the same, so the question is why are ours so much higher ?

[fishini]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

The vast majority have been impact injuries, how can you blame the physio for that?

Not really factual. How many calf injuries have we suffered? Where I agree a few are impact related but a vast majority.

[warfey is a spireite]

Think they had some in the field

[spireitetoo]

 Misnomer, on 26 February 2025 - 02:04 PM, said:

I agree, and it makes it all the more galling to see us where we are, and the likes of Bromley above us.

I find the injury situation utterly bizarre. The consistent level of injuries needs to be questioned, and it's something we certainly don't need to see a repeat of. Three or four, I can understand; fifteen odd, that's not just bad luck. Maybe the sports science team will be moved on.

Fwiw, I expect MK to be up there next season, and Peterborough, if they go down. I'd expect us to be in the top seven but, that's going to depend on who we recruit and who we keep. The idea was to get a team together that was going to be able to compete in league one; that definitely didn't happen.

Thought I'd read somewhere that the owners at MK are already getting fed up, because the town isn't getting behind the team and thus won't be investing heavily?

[born in 1866]

 Misnomer, on 26 February 2025 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ask Liam Norcliffe....

Semantics, mate. He also says, "looking into it"; isn't that the same as investigating?

Tbh you think there isn't a problem and they are all down to bad luck. I'm ok with that, it's your perspective. Put up a list of the players and their injuries and we can discuss whether or not they could have been avoided (probably on a new thread).

This thread was about next year and our chances; seems to have shifted focus.

If, if there was an investigation, and they found the physio department at fault, do you think they'd be still employed?
NEWS: A man was stabbed outside a pub and the police are "discussing" it.
You hold a kangaroo court and without any evidence demand the sacking of the sports science department.

If there were concerns about the ability of that department, PC would not employ them and if you listen to a later DW interview he says they have discussed it and changed the training routine to have an easier day were as before they would have hard sessions most of the week.

[calvin plummers socks]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 06:39 PM, said:

If, if there was an investigation, and they found the physio department at fault, do you think they'd be still employed?
NEWS: A man was stabbed outside a pub and the police are "discussing" it.
You hold a kangaroo court and without any evidence demand the sacking of the sports science department.

If there were concerns about the ability of that department, PC would not employ them and if you listen to a later DW interview he says they have discussed it and changed the training routine to have an easier day were as before they would have hard sessions most of the week.

Depends on how much the coaches listen to advice from the S&C and physio depts.
It?s always very easy to cause overload injuries by over training - but you?d be hard pushed to find a coach putting their hands up and admitting that.

The window the S&C has with the playing staff could be limited - in my experience you?d like a full programme but it rarely is what is wanted / required as coaches always want more time on the pitch (which isn?t always what is needed).
The physio should have a big input but often it?s just ?fizzer have a look at this lad.? Rarely at lower league level does the physio have an input other than treating injuries which have already occurred.
Lots of sightings of players in commercial gyms anecdotally on here - not sure that is always the best use of their time if not following structured plans etc.

If a team has a higher than normal injury list then an investigation should always be done. That?s a no brainer.

[Sammy Spireite]

 born in 1866, on 26 February 2025 - 06:39 PM, said:

If, if there was an investigation, and they found the physio department at fault, do you think they'd be still employed?
NEWS: A man was stabbed outside a pub and the police are "discussing" it.
You hold a kangaroo court and without any evidence demand the sacking of the sports science department.

If there were concerns about the ability of that department, PC would not employ them and if you listen to a later DW interview he says they have discussed it and changed the training routine to have an easier day were as before they would have hard sessions most of the week.

Just playing devils advocate here but they must have found some short-comings in the department as they created a new role in the team and were taking applications a month or so ago?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

 Misnomer, on 26 February 2025 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ask Liam Norcliffe....

Semantics, mate. He also says, "looking into it"; isn't that the same as investigating?

Tbh you think there isn't a problem and they are all down to bad luck. I'm ok with that, it's your perspective. Put up a list of the players and their injuries and we can discuss whether or not they could have been avoided (probably on a new thread).

This thread was about next year and our chances; seems to have shifted focus.

Just because they are looking into it doesn?t mean they feel they have done anything wrong. It may simply be a case of confirming that and being thoroughly professional in our approach to how they look at it.

[dim view]

 calvin plummers socks, on 26 February 2025 - 08:55 PM, said:

Depends on how much the coaches listen to advice from the S&C and physio depts.

Is it a possibility then that one or more of the coaches may have reached his 'level'?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

 calvin plummers socks, on 26 February 2025 - 08:55 PM, said:

Depends on how much the coaches listen to advice from the S&C and physio depts.
It?s always very easy to cause overload injuries by over training - but you?d be hard pushed to find a coach putting their hands up and admitting that.

The window the S&C has with the playing staff could be limited - in my experience you?d like a full programme but it rarely is what is wanted / required as coaches always want more time on the pitch (which isn?t always what is needed).
The physio should have a big input but often it?s just ?fizzer have a look at this lad.? Rarely at lower league level does the physio have an input other than treating injuries which have already occurred.
Lots of sightings of players in commercial gyms anecdotally on here - not sure that is always the best use of their time if not following structured plans etc.

If a team has a higher than normal injury list then an investigation should always be done. That?s a no brainer.

So you don?t know much about our training methods at all then and are just second guessing on what others do. Helpful, not as always.