[Mr Mercury]

 CFC91, on 24 February 2025 - 11:12 AM, said:

Crowds will be fine. Not going to be a massive clamour of people not renewing surely

I?d imagine the numbers renewing may be down slightly but nothing too problematic. And indeed given the season ticket price if we?re pushing top three next year financially it will be a bonus.

[stevie_b]

 jack bauer, on 16 February 2025 - 04:48 PM, said:

the trust are doing some really good work in the community to engage a new and young fan base, i work in lots of schools too and the amount of kids now how support town is quite incredible, even saw one at walsall yesterday, so i'd like to think on a long term view we are setting the club up with a renewed support going forward for years to come, thing is once you're hooked, generally you're in it for good.

This is very true. My very first match was away at Feel Ill. I was 11 or 12 (long time ago). Goodness only knows why Dad chose that as my first game. I mean, he wasn't a football fan but I loved it. We did watch a lot of sport on TV though, so I guess that's where I got it from. Anyway, it was rubbish. I had no idea what was going on and barely knew which team I was supporting. I think we lost When Dad presented me with tickets for the next home game, I didn't have the heart to tell him I didn't want to go


And over 45 years later, here we are. My Dad has much to answer for

[DIFH]

 jack bauer, on 16 February 2025 - 04:48 PM, said:

the trust are doing some really good work in the community to engage a new and young fan base, i work in lots of schools too and the amount of kids now how support town is quite incredible, even saw one at walsall yesterday, so i'd like to think on a long term view we are setting the club up with a renewed support going forward for years to come, thing is once you're hooked, generally you're in it for good.

This is the time to catch the younger support, by visiting schools etc we have a chance of hooking a life long supporter who?s parent(s) have to accompany him in those younger years - double whammy.


The price to attend football, kits etc is spiraling out of control in all leagues, lots of kids will never get to see any premiership games and invariably have a local club as their second team. We should be doing our utmost to engage at the schools and getting them on board at the SMH whilst they are young . Chester should be doing overtime !!!

[HaslandBlue58]

I suppose there is the alternative view,that if this season fades out as is looking likely,there may be a view that things will be worked on close season which would suggest a very competitive challenge for promotion and people not wanting to miss out?Therefore little change in attendance?

[JonB]

 DIFH, on 24 February 2025 - 04:53 PM, said:

This is the time to catch the younger support, by visiting schools etc we have a chance of hooking a life long supporter who?s parent(s) have to accompany him in those younger years - double whammy.


The price to attend football, kits etc is spiraling out of control in all leagues, lots of kids will never get to see any premiership games and invariably have a local club as their second team. We should be doing our utmost to engage at the schools and getting them on board at the SMH whilst they are young . Chester should be doing overtime !!!

The trust are already heavily engaged with local schools and groups etc?.thats where the 500 tickets go every home game.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

 hardgums, on 16 February 2025 - 02:18 PM, said:

Our support over the last couple of seasons has been phenomenal. Bathed in the feel-good factor, fans have turned out in their droves home and away.

Despite the fact that we were the bookies' favourite to go straight up this season, I suspect not many of us thought that life would be that simple. That said, I'm sure we all felt we'd do better than we have and believed we would be sitting in a playoff position at this stage of the season. Despite a couple of decent wins, our recent form (particularly away) has been a major disappointment, and confidence of a playoff berth has all but evaporated. The thing that concerns me with what is likely to be a dead-rubber end to the season is that the 2025/26 season ticket sales will drop off pretty dramatically. The crowd base will begin to dwindle, and income streams will be greatly squeezed.

Boy, that result yesterday has really depressed me!

A few signings of our intent in the summer will sort that out

[CFC91]

 Mr Mercury, on 24 February 2025 - 11:47 AM, said:

I?d imagine the numbers renewing may be down slightly but nothing too problematic. And indeed given the season ticket price if we?re pushing top three next year financially it will be a bonus.

Depends how much the impending price hike is I guess as well.

[azul]

Guess the early bird offer will be out in a month or so so we won't have to wait long for any price increases

Was the last officially announced ST sales just over 5500?. We'll need to make big inroads into that to support our player budget which has to be submitted to the EFL in June (end of I think). I wonder if we will see another injection of equity from the Kirks before the SCMP rules change.

It is true that if ST drop off a bit and we have a good season and people have to pay full price that that is good for the coffers but I wonder if the differential between STs and buying individual match day tickets is substantial enough to compensate especially with all the other things that can go wrong in a season.

This post has been edited by azul: 25 February 2025 - 12:54 PM

[Mr Mercury]

 azul, on 25 February 2025 - 12:49 PM, said:

Guess the early bird offer will be out in a month or so so we won't have to wait long for any price increases

Was the last officially announced ST sales just over 5500?. We'll need to make big inroads into that to support our player budget which has to be submitted to the EFL in June (end of I think). I wonder if we will see another injection of equity from the Kirks before the SCMP rules change.

It is true that if ST drop off a bit and we have a good season and people have to pay full price that that is good for the coffers but I wonder if the differential between STs and buying individual match day tickets is substantial enough to compensate especially with all the other things that can go wrong in a season.

Isn?t next seasons budget based on this seasons attendances, so the summers ticket sakes won?t impact this time?

[born in 1866]

 azul, on 25 February 2025 - 12:49 PM, said:

Guess the early bird offer will be out in a month or so so we won't have to wait long for any price increases

Was the last officially announced ST sales just over 5500?. We'll need to make big inroads into that to support our player budget which has to be submitted to the EFL in June (end of I think). I wonder if we will see another injection of equity from the Kirks before the SCMP rules change.

It is true that if ST drop off a bit and we have a good season and people have to pay full price that that is good for the coffers but I wonder if the differential between STs and buying individual match day tickets is substantial enough to compensate especially with all the other things that can go wrong in a season.

Season 25/26 budget is forecast using season 24/25 revenue.

 Mr Mercury, on 25 February 2025 - 01:21 PM, said:

Isn?t next seasons budget based on this seasons attendances, so the summers ticket sakes won?t impact this time?

Sorry, didn't see this

[azul]

 Mr Mercury, on 25 February 2025 - 01:21 PM, said:

Isn?t next seasons budget based on this seasons attendances, so the summers ticket sakes won?t impact this time?

You need to check the SCMP rules, they aren't easy to follow but essentially next seasons budget will made up three reporting periods. For the 2025/26 season it will include estimates for 2025/26, and actuals from 2024/25 and 2023/24, so the budget submitted is based on 2 years performance and the current years estimates.

More to the point if a clubs ST sales by mid June of the report period has dropped from the previous years mid June figure then a club is running a risk using the previous years ST figures. This also will be reflected in related projected income.

I don't know how closely club budget submission gets audited, probably not too closely knowing the EFL and I'm sure the figures can be manipulated but if the club is out in assumptions and turnover by early December when the mid-season budget is submitted then trouble is brewing.

 born in 1866, on 25 February 2025 - 01:25 PM, said:

Season 25/26 budget is forecast using season 24/25 revenue.


Sorry, didn't see this

same response as above

This post has been edited by azul: 25 February 2025 - 02:08 PM

[Mr Mercury]

 azul, on 25 February 2025 - 02:06 PM, said:

You need to check the SCMP rules, they aren't easy to follow but essentially next seasons budget will made up three reporting periods. For the 2025/26 season it will include estimates for 2025/26, and actuals from 2024/25 and 2023/24, so the budget submitted is based on 2 years performance and the current years estimates.

More to the point if a clubs ST sales by mid June of the report period has dropped from the previous years mid June figure then a club is running a risk using the previous years ST figures. This also will be reflected in related projected income.

I don't know how closely club budget submission gets audited, probably not too closely knowing the EFL and I'm sure the figures can be manipulated but if the club is out in assumptions and turnover by early December when the mid-season budget is submitted then trouble is brewing

I?d best keep my nose out reading that lot!

[azul]

 Mr Mercury, on 25 February 2025 - 02:10 PM, said:

I?d best keep my nose out reading that lot!

It is fascinating stuff, runs to pages and pages. You would need to be accountant to fully understand it and even then I reckon the really 'interesting' detailed stuff is held behind the EFL Portal that mere mortals can't reach.

[HaslandBlue58]

[quote name='azul' timestamp='1740492392' post='1877026']
You need to check the SCMP rules, they aren't easy to follow but essentially next seasons budget will made up three reporting periods. For the 2025/26 season it will include estimates for 2025/26, and actuals from 2024/25 and 2023/24, so the budget submitted is based on 2 years performance and the current years estimates.

More to the point if a clubs ST sales by mid June of the report period has dropped from the previous years mid June figure then a club is running a risk using the previous years ST figures. This also will be reflected in related projected income.

I don't know how closely club budget submission gets audited, probably not too closely knowing the EFL and I'm sure the figures can be manipulated but if the club is out in assumptions and turnover by early December when the mid-season budget is submitted then trouble is brewing.



Would this be why Mansfaileds attendances have stated much higher than it actually looks on screen?

[Westbars Spireite]

It's simply because the majority of the crowd at Field Mill is in the one stand where the camera is. Nothing more to it.

[born in 1866]

 HaslandBlue58, on 25 February 2025 - 03:07 PM, said:

Would this be why Mansfaileds attendances have stated much higher than it actually looks on screen?

It is tickets sold. They sold around 6k season tickets, most of them appear to have given up and gone back to the City Ground.

[azul]

 Westbars Spireite, on 25 February 2025 - 03:11 PM, said:

It's simply because the majority of the crowd at Field Mill is in the one stand where the camera is. Nothing more to it.

Agree with that. No point calling out the scabs for something we do (and just about everyone else). Watching Doncaster and Rotherham's 'attendances' never cease to amaze.

I remember a time when it was a hot debate on here at the tail end of the DA/AC era.

[azul]

 HaslandBlue58, on 25 February 2025 - 03:07 PM, said:

Would this be why Mansfaileds attendances have stated much higher than it actually looks on screen?

No they sold 6000 season tickets which will be in their budget and have very little overhead for pay on the day customers. Their home support will always be recorded as over 6000 + away.

Now next year when they get relegated might be interesting, will they expect 6000 ST holders next year or not and will they extrapolate their projected income on that figure

[Alice Cooper]

 stevie_b, on 24 February 2025 - 12:33 PM, said:

This is very true. My very first match was away at Feel Ill. I was 11 or 12 (long time ago). Goodness only knows why Dad chose that as my first game. I mean, he wasn't a football fan but I loved it. We did watch a lot of sport on TV though, so I guess that's where I got it from. Anyway, it was rubbish. I had no idea what was going on and barely knew which team I was supporting. I think we lost When Dad presented me with tickets for the next home game, I didn't have the heart to tell him I didn't want to go


And over 45 years later, here we are. My Dad has much to answer for

Likewise Stevie. My Dad is to blame for my 61 years of supporting the mighty blues by taking me to my first game when I was 7 years old bless him.
Chesterfield FC.
It's a way of life.

[Westbars Spireite]

 azul, on 25 February 2025 - 03:20 PM, said:

Agree with that. No point calling out the scabs for something we do (and just about everyone else). Watching Doncaster and Rotherham's 'attendances' never cease to amaze.

I remember a time when it was a hot debate on here at the tail end of the DA/AC era.

Rotherham's are undoubtedly a little over half of the declared attendance.

There was a midweek game here v Yeovil in the NL wasn't there when the actual attendees were under 2000?

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 25 February 2025 - 07:45 PM