[SocraticCFC]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 February 2025 - 04:52 PM, said:

So is it just the fact they are made in China you are getting mardy about? Not the fact it?s non British?

Deary me. Both I suppose. All the G7 countries tend to manufacture their own vehicles and us, being typically 'British' look for the best 'value for money' - have done since the Thatcher years. Industrial base virtually gone - managed decline. Buses are simply another example.

[Johnnyspireite7]

SocraticCFC, on 15 February 2025 - 11:39 AM, said:

Deary me. Both I suppose. All the G7 countries tend to manufacture their own vehicles and us, being typically 'British' look for the best 'value for money' - have done since the Thatcher years. Industrial base virtually gone - managed decline. Buses are simply another example.

Not aware of a major Canadian vehicle manufacturer that exports not to say they haven't got ones of their own, they have, however they tend to have manufacturers from the US, Japan and Italy operating in their country.

[Sammy Spireite]

SocraticCFC, on 15 February 2025 - 11:39 AM, said:

Deary me. Both I suppose. All the G7 countries tend to manufacture their own vehicles and us, being typically 'British' look for the best 'value for money' - have done since the Thatcher years. Industrial base virtually gone - managed decline. Buses are simply another example.

Even if a bus was built in this country, it would be built with Chinese origin components.

[JonB]

Johnnyspireite7, on 15 February 2025 - 12:35 PM, said:

Not aware of a major Canadian vehicle manufacturer that exports not to say they haven't got ones of their own, they have, however they tend to have manufacturers from the US, Japan and Italy operating in their country.

When I looked the over day I noticed Alexander Dennis are now actually owned by a Canadian bus etc company and used as the name for European sales.

[Holmesc1]

JonB, on 15 February 2025 - 01:14 PM, said:

When I looked the over day I noticed Alexander Dennis are now actually owned by a Canadian bus etc company and used as the name for European sales.

Same as leyland trucks, owned by a firm called paccar which would be a duff name for a wagon

[SocraticCFC]

Holmesc1, on 16 February 2025 - 08:30 AM, said:

Same as leyland trucks, owned by a firm called paccar which would be a duff name for a wagon

I think Leyland went off the market in the late 80s/early 90s - DAF name used afterwards.
Don't think we have a truck manufacturer any more apart from the Dennis bin lorries and a few bits and pieces

[Burgerman]

SocraticCFC, on 19 February 2025 - 09:22 PM, said:

I think Leyland went off the market in the late 80s/early 90s - DAF name used afterwards.
Don't think we have a truck manufacturer any more apart from the Dennis bin lorries and a few bits and pieces

DAF build in the UK and are still going strong.

[Sammy Spireite]

Burgerman, on 20 February 2025 - 08:13 AM, said:

DAF build in the UK and are still going strong.

using Chinese steel and Chinese-made components held together using Chinese-made fasteners lol

[calvin plummers socks]

SocraticCFC, on 12 February 2025 - 05:42 PM, said:

Talking to someone today that the new electric buses in Chesterfield Sheffield are from China. FFS Never thought things would come to this. Sad day for the country.

I?m still really sad about it - have you cheered up though?

[oldgoat]

They seem OK though different layout , they are going gently with them on the no 10 route , nice having the tech re where you are like on trams , not much space for very tall or obese people tho

[Burgerman]

Sammy Spireite, on 20 February 2025 - 01:59 PM, said:

using Chinese steel and Chinese-made components held together using Chinese-made fasteners lol

That's not true though. (Not sure if you're joking though).

They source limited materials from China but the majority of their truck parts are manufactured in Europe, some in Brazil/Aus depending on the model.

DAF don't rely on Chinese materials for their truck manufacturing.

[isleaiw1]

Burgerman, on 20 February 2025 - 02:50 PM, said:

That's not true though. (Not sure if you're joking though).

They source limited materials from China but the majority of their truck parts are manufactured in Europe, some in Brazil/Aus depending on the model.

DAF don't rely on Chinese materials for their truck manufacturing.

I have two cars both bathed with British brands, neither assembled in the UK (one in Austria, one in Netherlands) to companies owned either by Indian or German firms, and made with components from all over the world.... but at least it's not American!

[Burgerman]

isleaiw1, on 20 February 2025 - 03:46 PM, said:

I have two cars both bathed with British brands, neither assembled in the UK (one in Austria, one in Netherlands) to companies owned either by Indian or German firms, and made with components from all over the world.... but at least it's not American!

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what the has to do with DAF Trucks.

[s42blue]

Personally because of their regime, their human rights record I try and avoid buying anything Chinese.

My fear is the future when we become ever more dependent on them for manufacturing that they control the price and the supply. Maybe I should applaud their long term policies after I criticise our own lack of so much 😂

[isleaiw1]

Burgerman, on 20 February 2025 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what the has to do with DAF Trucks.

Just pointing out that no matter what the brand the chances of being able to call them British or Indian or German or Dutch or Austrian is pretty remote as they are global now...

[Sammy Spireite]

 Burgerman, on 20 February 2025 - 02:50 PM, said:

That's not true though. (Not sure if you're joking though).

They source limited materials from China but the majority of their truck parts are manufactured in Europe, some in Brazil/Aus depending on the model.

DAF don't rely on Chinese materials for their truck manufacturing.

China accounts for more than half of the world steel production, so I could almost guarantee that their trucks are part-made with Chinese origin products, or almost certainly made from Chinese steel. https://en.wikipedia...teel_production

Unless they're different to most other truck/car/train manufacturers in the UK (and foreign manufacturers with UK operations) then they will source from UK or European suppliers who will import the steel, part complete or even buy the finished item from the fat east (mainly China). I don't see how they guarantee their supply chain doesn't use China sourced items either, and even if they did they they would be massively uncompetitive compared to other manufacturers in the same industries.

We supply many OEM's with UK and European operations in the industries listed above and China is ultimately the origin for most of the steel items they use, i know because i source a lot off it!

Indeed European 'made' products have become largely uncompetitive in the UK since the introduction of 'Anti Dumping' on all Steel products from China in to the EU (thankfully due to Brexit they same import tax doesn't apply on Chinese imports into the UK just yet!).

Of course, any material or product sourced from China 'substantially transformed' or where more than 50% of its final value comes from something done to it within England does mean it can be legally termed "Made in England" so maybe that's how they are getting round it? (if that is what they are claiming?)

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 21 February 2025 - 11:58 AM

[Sammy Spireite]

 SocraticCFC, on 19 February 2025 - 09:22 PM, said:

I think Leyland went off the market in the late 80s/early 90s - DAF name used afterwards.
Don't think we have a truck manufacturer any more apart from the Dennis bin lorries and a few bits and pieces

Dennis Eagle still build in the UK but are Dutch owned (using components from China, Taiwan and India - I know 'cos I source them)

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 21 February 2025 - 12:21 PM

[Sammy Spireite]

 isleaiw1, on 20 February 2025 - 07:59 PM, said:

Just pointing out that no matter what the brand the chances of being able to call them British or Indian or German or Dutch or Austrian is pretty remote as they are global now...

I think you're right, and I think keeping production in this country is as much about being able to market and sell them in this country as "British Made".

Which probably explains why only DAF trucks built in this country are sold in this country and the rest of the world relies on DAF trucks built in Europe, South America, Australia and Taiwan.

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 21 February 2025 - 12:20 PM

[Sammy Spireite]

Noticed one of the new electric double-deckers on the back of a tow truck on Sheffield Road last Friday, that's not a good look for the new buses lol

[JonB]

Sammy Spireite, on 28 April 2025 - 01:47 PM, said:

Noticed one of the new electric double-deckers on the back of a tow truck on Sheffield Road last Friday, that's not a good look for the new buses lol

Flip side i've seen plenty of both the single and double deckers moving around with no issues.