[rodney]

calvin plummers socks, on 17 February 2025 - 06:37 PM, said:

Not sure what coincidence means in relation to injuries, there?s no thing as bad luck (imo) but injuries are all down to - impact, overuse (poor planning in training), poor rehab/existing injuries.

I?d be amazed if the Club don?t do an external post season review / enquiry into why so many this season

I would respectfully disagree that there is bad luck. However, can you educate me as to why most other teams, premier league included, do static stretches as a warm up and then move onto dynamic ones but we don?t! Either everyone else is wrong or???..

[Exharboroughspireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 17 February 2025 - 06:37 PM, said:

Not sure what coincidence means in relation to injuries, there?s no thing as bad luck (imo) but injuries are all down to - impact, overuse (poor planning in training), poor rehab/existing injuries.

I?d be amazed if the Club don?t do an external post season review / enquiry into why so many this season

Neville said something very similar yesterday about uniteds injury list this year

[calvin plummers socks]

rodney, on 17 February 2025 - 08:32 PM, said:

I would respectfully disagree that there is bad luck. However, can you educate me as to why most other teams, premier league included, do static stretches as a warm up and then move onto dynamic ones but we don?t! Either everyone else is wrong or???..

Which teams do static stretching first?
I?d be horrified if anyone did!!

[60s 70s Spireite]

It?s not whether we stretch or not.
The question is why we are one of few teams who dont have a huddle before the game. Blimey, some teams have one before the start of both halves.
Could explain a lot.

[DIFH]

60s 70s Spireite, on 17 February 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

Sadly, I am with you. Hopefully we will recruit better in the summer.

The recruiting hasn?t been too bad, we?ve just been woeful defensively - that?s the way Cook plays . Opponents will always get good chances against us.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

If this was Cook's first stint at Town, a relatively inexperienced boss in his first big job, I might understand some of these posts.

However his record speaks for itself.

Then this season he had his squad. He had his preferred starters. He had us up to fifth.

But then an injury catastrophe not only robbed him of those players, it at one point left us with the eleven on the field literally the last ones standing.

So some hasty decisions had to made, and none of those brought in can be dubbed poor performers.

Especially as we, almost inevitably in the context of current times, lost two of them almost immediately.

And how many of the injuries came from innocuous knocks? How can training or medical methods be blamed when lads who've only just arrived break down?

Nah, sometimes sh*t happens. It's just one of those campaigns from hell Cook'll talk about in his memoirs. Besides, we could also ask how bad it would've been without the regime to prevent us plummeting...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 17 February 2025 - 09:45 PM

[60s 70s Spireite]

DIFH, on 17 February 2025 - 08:56 PM, said:

The recruiting hasn?t been too bad, we?ve just been woeful defensively - that?s the way Cook plays . Opponents will always get good chances against us.

Recruitment when allied to injuries is the issue. Players recruited aged over 30 and subsequently injured include Madden, Donacien, McFadzean, Dunkley. Add to that list, players who had played little men?s football and suffered an injury- Metcalfe, Tanton and Araujo and it brings into question the whole recruitment this season.
We all learn from experience, at any age, and if folk dont think lessons are to be learnt from this experience, then we will be in trouble.
I am sure it will not happen again though.

[Mr Mercury]

60s 70s Spireite, on 17 February 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Recruitment when allied to injuries is the issue. Players recruited aged over 30 and subsequently injured include Madden, Donacien, McFadzean, Dunkley. Add to that list, players who had played little men?s football and suffered an injury- Metcalfe, Tanton and Araujo and it brings into question the whole recruitment this season.
We all learn from experience, at any age, and if folk dont think lessons are to be learnt from this experience, then we will be in trouble.
I am sure it will not happen again though.

But given the two scenarios you?ve put, ie young lads not tempered enough to the men?s game, and aging successful, experienced pros maybe more susceptible to injury, it?s still be a bit of a sh.t show on the injury front.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 17 February 2025 - 10:31 PM

[Osborne again]

If we get into the playoffs, it will be one of the greatest achievements, because most clubs, with the injuries we've had, would be worrying about a quick return to the National League. It's credit to those who've come into the team, that we've still picked up points here and there.
I know some don't like Will Grigg, but he's been as big a loss to us, as was Kabby when he was brutally attacked and added to that we lost Dunkley. Those two are the biggest injury losses, but then also to lose Markanday and Berry was another pair of setbacks.
Build for next season, and go for it.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 17 February 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Recruitment when allied to injuries is the issue. Players recruited aged over 30 and subsequently injured include Madden, Donacien, McFadzean, Dunkley. Add to that list, players who had played little men?s football and suffered an injury- Metcalfe, Tanton and Araujo and it brings into question the whole recruitment this season.
We all learn from experience, at any age, and if folk dont think lessons are to be learnt from this experience, then we will be in trouble.
I am sure it will not happen again though.

So we cant sign old players and we cant sign young players.....

[60s 70s Spireite]

JonB, on 18 February 2025 - 08:13 AM, said:

So we cant sign old players and we cant sign young players.....

Older players - no, not so many thats for sure (and of course I omitted Fleck)
I think we can safely say players older than 30 are much more likely to be nearing the age when their body breaks down more than those in the 22 to 29 age group. The more you have, the more injuries you are likely to have.
Younger loanees- stick to ones tried out at the mens game before.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 February 2025 - 08:23 AM, said:

Older players - no, not so many thats for sure (and of course I omitted Fleck)
I think we can safely say players older than 30 are much more likely to be nearing the age when their body breaks down more than those in the 22 to 29 age group. The more you have, the more injuries you are likely to have.
Younger loanees- stick to ones tried out at the mens game before.

Thats severely limiting the group of players we are signing from though and i suspect makes it a lot more expensive as well as you are basically wanting to sign players in a small window who have EFL experience. Also you would rule out the chance of signing someone like Lowe who Walsall had from Stoke and did fairly well for them.

[calvin plummers socks]

The whole young players playing on men?s football is a strange thing to blame on injuries.
It?s the workload that increases on a still growing body not the fact that they are playing gassing older men. The physicality isn?t the issue.

[Middle East]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 February 2025 - 08:23 AM, said:

Older players - no, not so many thats for sure (and of course I omitted Fleck)
I think we can safely say players older than 30 are much more likely to be nearing the age when their body breaks down more than those in the 22 to 29 age group. The more you have, the more injuries you are likely to have.
Younger loanees- stick to ones tried out at the mens game before.

The problem with that strategy would be that it reduces the options we have. Decent quality players between 23 to 30 tend to cost more, both in terms of transfer fees and wages.

I fully agree that we should probably try to reduce the amount at either end of the scale slightly, but it's a financial fact of life for most lower league clubs that players at the end of their careers and ones starting out are more affordable. Cook has been backed, but we still aren't a Wrexham, so a blend of youth and experience is still essential to a degree with the budget he's got. You don't want a team full of of 25-30 year bang average players.

Whichever way you look at it our injury crisis has been unprecedented, going back to the pre season game where Sheff Utd came and kicked us off the park. They did for Palmer and Shecks if memory serves me right, not to mention nearly laming Naylor. Then Madden got crocked the game after. Without some of the injuries who knows how far up the table we would be...

This post has been edited by Middle East: 18 February 2025 - 08:46 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

JonB, on 18 February 2025 - 08:27 AM, said:

Thats severely limiting the group of players we are signing from though and i suspect makes it a lot more expensive as well as you are basically wanting to sign players in a small window who have EFL experience. Also you would rule out the chance of signing someone like Lowe who Walsall had from Stoke and did fairly well for them.

You wouldnt be ruling out Lowe- he had 15 appearances as a starter or sub for Stoke in 23-24.
Id wager we wont be signing so many over 30s and players who have only played youth football next season.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 February 2025 - 08:50 AM, said:

You wouldnt be ruling out Lowe- he had 15 appearances as a starter or sub for Stoke in 23-24.
Id wager we wont be signing so many over 30s and players who have only played youth football next season.

I suppose the only issue is you need a number of u21 players to supplement the 22 man squad and I suspect there are limited numbers who have experience above youth football.

[Middle East]

Westbars Spireite, on 17 February 2025 - 06:35 PM, said:

Cook said it was at Alfreton? If it's here I might go down.

It's half term, so it will be a bumper crowd this afternoon! If I can persuade my daughter...

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 February 2025 - 08:50 AM, said:

You wouldnt be ruling out Lowe- he had 15 appearances as a starter or sub for Stoke in 23-24.
Id wager we wont be signing so many over 30s and players who have only played youth football next season.

You'll be aware of my vast knowledge and experience on financial matters, but wor I reckon we've moved to is a system whereby players signed from the traditional budget - good wages and contract length, signing on fee, agent fee - might have less vigour applied to their fitness level than players signed with a transfer fee from a new recruitment investment budget, using Captains Kirk speculative cash with full backing.

I'm particularly intrigued by Dunkley's injury. Was it historically acknowledged but not investigated properly for severity? Like Danny Rowe?

[Trigger]

Middle East, on 18 February 2025 - 09:19 AM, said:

It's half term, so it will be a bumper crowd this afternoon! If I can persuade my daughter...

I might have a wander down with my youngest. Can we park at the ground do we know?

[Middle East]

Trigger, on 18 February 2025 - 09:36 AM, said:

I might have a wander down with my youngest. Can we park at the ground do we know?

Yes free parking at the ground