[Cheshireblue]

Goku, on 07 February 2025 - 07:09 AM, said:

Cos if he scores then it?s 5-1, which is an even bigger lead. Happy to help.

He's slow going back they score because he fancy a go at scoring.
HAPPY TO HELP

[Osborne again]

Hibbo98, on 07 February 2025 - 08:45 AM, said:

Williams has been very good in every game he?s played this year. was out of favour at the start of the season but I?d say he?s well worth another years contract as a squad CB

Seconded, both of them should get another year to be honest.

[LondonBlue]

Osborne again, on 07 February 2025 - 10:12 AM, said:

Seconded, both of them should get another year to be honest.

Grimes is 34 turning 35 this year. I really doubt he will get a deal.

[Goku]

Cheshireblue, on 07 February 2025 - 09:58 AM, said:

He's slow going back they score because he fancy a go at scoring.
HAPPY TO HELP

That's why we have sufficient players back ready to defend should they attempt a counter attack. As is the case for any attacking corner we win.

We won 5-2 and you're pondering the merits of our biggest threat from set pieces going up for a set piece. Get a grip kiddo.

[Bonnyman]

Cheshireblue, on 06 February 2025 - 11:32 PM, said:

Couldn't get my head around why when we are winning 4/1 grimes is going up for corners and free kicks when they have fetched fresh legs on up front?

That?s his job

[dim view]

Osborne again, on 07 February 2025 - 10:12 AM, said:

Seconded, both of them should get another year to be honest.

Has anybody considered the possibility that teams are not sitting back and defending, unlike last year, because we are perceived as having crap NL standard CB's? It's a brilliant tactical double bluff.

[oldgoat]

LondonBlue, on 07 February 2025 - 10:17 AM, said:

Grimes is 34 turning 35 this year. I really doubt he will get a deal.

I dont think his age is relevant as his fitness / lack of injuries is so good

[JonB]

LondonBlue, on 07 February 2025 - 10:17 AM, said:

Grimes is 34 turning 35 this year. I really doubt he will get a deal.

McFadzean is older than that....if Cook and co think Grimes is worth extending then they will offer him something irrespective of age.

[Valley Blues]

JonB, on 07 February 2025 - 01:01 PM, said:

McFadzean is older than that....if Cook and co think Grimes is worth extending then they will offer him something irrespective of age.

I?m not sure you can make any football related comparisons between Grimes and McFadzean.

Other than them both ageing at 356 days each year, that?s probably where their similarities on the pitch end.

Regarding Grimes in particular, and I?m not in any way a disliker of him at all, the opposite as a servant to the club in fact, but let?s not lose sight of his extreme limitations.

Agreed, he had a very good game last night and credit where it?s due but it?s not many moons ago he was 4th choice for a reason and committed 2 huge errors at Bradford, for example, that ultimately cost the game.

I think what I?m saying is the praise lumped on here is as extreme as when we?re bombing a player out of the club for a poor game.

I?d be amazed if Grimes is anywhere in Cook?s plans moving forward.

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[Blue5]

Bonnyman, on 07 February 2025 - 09:32 AM, said:

There?s a proper I?m more holy than you attitude on here, it?s a football forum for opinions not the encyclopaedia brittanica, Williams has always been decent but has struggled to hold down a place, being at times 2nd fiddle to palmer who I think he is better than and Naylor who I think he is more suitable than, I?d have no problem with him and McFadzean occupying that position next season, both were excellent last nigh , plaudits and criticisms are surely part and parcel of a football forum.

We live in a society where people are quick to form opinions and equally as quick to discard things not to their liking. The Pepple thread being a prime example.

In terms of Grimesy and Ty, we know a bit about them, what their strengths and weaknesses are and prior to the season starting, some people had already wrote them off. Even as a club, it feels like we have gone out of our way to replace Grimesy instead of looking to introduce some pace into the central defensive partnership.

What pleases me is seeing two players who have done well for us in the past put in performances like they did last night because it gives Cookie and his staff something to think about.

[Spireite93]

There are both what they are, and what Cook perceived them to be at the start of the season, backup/squad players to support the preferred pairing of Dunkley/Araujo and then McFadzean

Circumstances have caused them to be required to play more regularly with both pros and cons. They can sometimes be brilliant but also have a mistake in them

They do well when defending against two bulky Centre forrads but struggle against nippy little ones up front

[dtp]

Cheshireblue, on 06 February 2025 - 11:32 PM, said:

Couldn't get my head around why when we are winning 4/1 grimes is going up for corners and free kicks when they have fetched fresh legs on up front?

Have you ever thought he is playing to instructions?

Then actually worked out that it does not matter how many times you replay it they never benefited from their fresh legs up front when Grimes went up for free kicks and corners?

[Osborne again]

LondonBlue, on 07 February 2025 - 10:17 AM, said:

Grimes is 34 turning 35 this year. I really doubt he will get a deal.

Jamie Grimes must be one of the least injury prone, and fittest players we have on our books. He's had to wait for his chance, as has Tyrone Williams, but they have proven beyond doubt they're good enough.34or 35 years of age is just another candle on a cake when you take your job as seriously as Jamie Grimes. He may not get another year but it won't be ages related, I'm sure.

[dtp]

LondonBlue, on 07 February 2025 - 09:21 AM, said:

Both Ty and Grimes have been excellent this season. Whether they can cut it in a Lwague 2 title season / league 1 is another matter. Hopefully they both play a big part this season but I don?t expect either to be here next year.

I think we have to remember we need a squad of 22.

In that squad not all players are going to be regular starters and some will be nothing more than back up. Keeping players happy in such circumstances is part of the trick. Players like Williams & Grimes might fit into that category and be good squad members and not likely to rock the boat.

The alternative could be up and coming youngsters who might, or might not, be able to handle the pressure when called upon after being short of game time.

In simple terms, it is a balancing act.

[LondonBlue]

JonB, on 07 February 2025 - 01:01 PM, said:

McFadzean is older than that....if Cook and co think Grimes is worth extending then they will offer him something irrespective of age.

They?re not comparable players though - as much as I love Grimes you only have to look at McFadzeans career and pedigree.

Grimes may well get a deal, but as others have said - will likely be a squad player. He is an excellent servant and fit as a fiddle, but I wouldn?t be suprised if he doesn?t get a deal.

[dim view]

LondonBlue, on 07 February 2025 - 06:09 PM, said:

They?re not comparable players though - as much as I love Grimes you only have to look at McFadzeans career and pedigree.

Grimes may well get a deal, but as others have said - will likely be a squad player. He is an excellent servant and fit as a fiddle, but I wouldn?t be suprised if he doesn?t get a deal.

I think he'll stroll in to a 2 year contract at almost any NL club so that's what we'd be competing with.

[DOUGLAS JARDINE]

Grimes was brought here with one sole purpose and that was to lead the team out the National League

When we lost at Wembley he came out and spoke absolutely magnificently and you could see what Cooke meant about good football people and especially as a Captain

From that lent on I knew we would win the league next year

Limited as a footballer he maybe and he does have a mistake in him for sure

But as a leader he has been brilliant he has delivered fir this club and helped to get us back to the promised land

Luckily met him a couple times in li the famous night after his double against Boreham wood that won us the title

Fantastic bloke and for me will be sorely missed when he eventually goes 💙

[Blue95]

I?d be inclined to offer them both an extra year, they?ve more than held their own in this league. 2 great servants to the club, will be a sad day when they depart but will always be held in such high regard for getting us out of that **** hole.

[Bonnyman]

Blue5, on 07 February 2025 - 01:12 PM, said:

We live in a society where people are quick to form opinions and equally as quick to discard things not to their liking. The Pepple thread being a prime example.

In terms of Grimesy and Ty, we know a bit about them, what their strengths and weaknesses are and prior to the season starting, some people had already wrote them off. Even as a club, it feels like we have gone out of our way to replace Grimesy instead of looking to introduce some pace into the central defensive partnership.

What pleases me is seeing two players who have done well for us in the past put in performances like they did last night because it gives Cookie and his staff something to think about.

Perhaps you can include the manager in your summary ( unless you already was intimating that) as he didn?t have them in his plan at all

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Valley Blues, on 07 February 2025 - 01:11 PM, said:

I?m not sure you can make any football related comparisons between Grimes and McFadzean.

Other than them both ageing at 356 days each year, that?s probably where their similarities on the pitch end.

Regarding Grimes in particular, and I?m not in any way a disliker of him at all, the opposite as a servant to the club in fact, but let?s not lose sight of his extreme limitations.

Agreed, he had a very good game last night and credit where it?s due but it?s not many moons ago he was 4th choice for a reason and committed 2 huge errors at Bradford, for example, that ultimately cost the game.

I think what I?m saying is the praise lumped on here is as extreme as when we?re bombing a player out of the club for a poor game.

I?d be amazed if Grimes is anywhere in Cook?s plans moving forward.

Agreed.

Both players, like so many of last season's title winners, will always retain our affection.

However the squad will and must evolve with better ones replacing them.

Dunkley's future remains uncertain, but McFadzean was certainly worth an extended viewing based upon what we've seen.

Cook will also have other targets during what'll be a huge turnover this summer...