[frearsghost]

 Goku, on 31 January 2025 - 02:56 PM, said:

I didn?t think you?d appreciate the additional factual information regarding the pollster. Right wingers don?t like facts ������

I've no idea. I'll ask when I see one. You see, I don't enjoy right/left confrontation. I do what is morally right and at the moment it 'ain't Labour.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 31 January 2025 - 03:23 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

 frearsghost, on 31 January 2025 - 01:04 PM, said:

They are. Reform UK poll victory as Nigel Farage's party on course to win most seats for first time

Reform 27%
Labour 23%
Tories 21%

What a desperate state UK politics is in

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 frearsghost, on 31 January 2025 - 03:21 PM, said:

I've no idea. I'll ask when I see one. You see, I don't enjoy right/left confrontation. I do what is morally right and at the moment it 'ain't Labour.

So is it "morally right" to accuse the Prime Minister of changing a ship's name then double down on that misinformation despite proof it was, in fact, the King's decision?

Is it "morally right" to assert numerous migrants hate everything our country believes in, plant bombs and stab people without offering a shred of evidence to support such dangerous stereotyping?

Is it "morally right" to state the Prime Minister called eighty percent of Brits far right then ignore requests to validate that figure and both video and text proving it wrong?

Is it "morally right" to parrot grotesque lies then fail to correct them when highly qualified individuals confirm otherwise?

Is it "morally right" to criticise the language of others whilst posting the same yourself?

Is it "morally right" to celebrate Musk and Trump and Farage?

And is it "morally right" to supposedly champion democracy whilst apparently endorsing the release of sixteen hundred violent criminals who sought to overthrow a democratically elected president.



You clearly have a somewhat eccentric sense of morality if so, John...

[Burgerman]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 31 January 2025 - 05:21 PM, said:

So is it "morally right" to accuse the Prime Minister of changing a ship's name then double down on that misinformation despite proof it was, in fact, the King's decision?

Is it "morally right" to assert numerous migrants hate everything our country believes in, plant bombs and stab people without offering a shred of evidence to support such dangerous stereotyping?

Is it "morally right" to state the Prime Minister called eighty percent of Brits far right then ignore requests to validate that figure and both video and text proving it wrong?

Is it "morally right" to parrot grotesque lies then fail to correct them when highly qualified individuals confirm otherwise?

Is it "morally right" to criticise the language of others whilst posting the same yourself?

Is it "morally right" to celebrate Musk and Trump and Farage?

And is it "morally right" to supposedly champion democracy whilst apparently endorsing the release of sixteen hundred violent criminals who sought to overthrow a democratically elected president.



You clearly have a somewhat eccentric sense of morality if so, John...

You sound a bit rattled Chris. Hope you?re ok.

[frearsghost]

Goku, on 31 January 2025 - 02:20 PM, said:

Merely providing context to how poor a pollster they are. In this age of right wing misinformation it pays to be as informed as possible.

News this morning that Reform are ahead in ALL major polls. Awaiting your negative methodology report on all of them OR, perhaps its time to wake up, smell the coffee and read the mood of the nation.

Reform ahead of Tories in every major poll for first time

[Goku]

frearsghost, on 02 February 2025 - 09:32 AM, said:

News this morning that Reform are ahead in ALL major polls. Awaiting your negative methodology report on all of them OR, perhaps its time to wake up, smell the coffee and read the mood of the nation.

Reform ahead of Tories in every major poll for first time

Oh I?m well aware of the mood of the nation. My utter disdain of the British electorate is well-known by now, I hope. The average man or woman in this country is an utter berk when it comes to politics. They like simple solutions to complex problems, hence why populism is rising (amongst, yes, a failing to deal with these problems by the two main parties over many years). I?m sure the rise of this fash party will continue and I will remain thoroughly unsurprised. Labour started this way back when under Blair and the Tories purposely continued the failures which have allowed Reform to flourish.

Apologies for trying to provide valid context for the previous poll, I?m well aware right wingers like yourself don?t like facts (or you wouldn?t worship Farage), so I won?t make that mistake moving forward 🤗

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[Wooden Spoon]

Goku said:

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Oh I?m well aware of the mood of the nation. My utter disdain of the British electorate is well-known by now, I hope. The average man or woman in this country is an utter berk when it comes to politics. They like simple solutions to complex problems, hence why populism is rising (amongst, yes, a failing to deal with these problems by the two main parties over many years). I?m sure the rise of this fash party will continue and I will remain thoroughly unsurprised. Labour started this way back when under Blair and the Tories purposely continued the failures which have allowed Reform to flourish.

Apologies for trying to provide valid context for the previous poll, I?m well aware right wingers like yourself don?t like facts (or you wouldn?t worship Farage), so I won?t make that mistake moving forward 🤗

If you ignore the reasons people turn to populists you further push people to the populists.

[Mr Mercury]

This is the latest YouGuv poll. I assume they meet with gokus criteria for being a reputable polling organisation.
But before that I must declare an interest, as a member of YouGuv, I took part in the poll .

Reform: 25% (+2)
Lab: 24% (-3)
Con: 21% (-1)
LD: 14% (nc)
Green: 9% (nc)

And with Liar Starmer being exposed as a two faced two tier, tier four, lockdown breaker..AGAIN..and relaxing the immigration rules thus just completely ignoring the voting publics concerns I can?t see it getting any better anytime soon.

[Misnomer]

Mr Mercury, on 03 February 2025 - 07:30 PM, said:

This is the latest YouGuv poll. I assume they meet with gokus criteria for being a reputable polling organisation.
But before that I must declare an interest, as a member of YouGuv, I took part in the poll .

Reform: 25% (+2)
Lab: 24% (-3)
Con: 21% (-1)
LD: 14% (nc)
Green: 9% (nc)

And with Liar Starmer being exposed as a two faced two tier, tier four, lockdown breaker..AGAIN..and relaxing the immigration rules thus just completely ignoring the voting publics concerns I can?t see it getting any better anytime soon.

It's not like I didn't say it was going to happen. ... Liebour are going to be obliterated. Pure scum.

[Mr Mercury]

Misnomer, on 03 February 2025 - 08:09 PM, said:

It's not like I didn't say it was going to happen. ... Liebour are going to be obliterated. Pure scum.

Quite simply they have become, in just a few short months, the most hated, divisive, duplicitous, cheating, anti British, pro illegal immigrant, anti UK pensioner, anti UK farmers, anti waspi women, anti growth and reviled government in my voting lifetime. Bar none.

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[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 03 February 2025 - 08:27 PM, said:

Quite simply they have become, in just a few short months, the most hated, divisive, duplicitous, cheating, anti British, pro illegal immigrant, anti UK pensioner, anti UK farmers, anti waspi women, anti growth and reviled government in my voting lifetime. Bar none.

This from the geezer for whom Boris Johnson was his hero!
Hilarious

[Goku]

Congrats to Reform for winning the Premier League 2 games into the season 🏆

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 03 February 2025 - 09:02 PM, said:

Congrats to Reform for winning the Premier League 2 games into the season ��

Oooohhhh no calling out the legitimacy of the pollster. Now there a thing. Anyhow
For a fledgling party it?s nothing short of remarkable mate. Let Starmer keep opening our borders, casting aside UK citizens and pandering to the minorities and the percentage will only grow and grow. People have had enough, and if it wasn?t for the entrenched Labour vote, those who will vote Liebour with their eyes closed, mouths shut, and hands over ears, it would be even lower.

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[tedspireite]

Mr Mercury, on 03 February 2025 - 09:14 PM, said:

Oooohhhh no calling out the legitimacy of the pollster. Now there a thing. Anyhow
For a fledgling party it?s nothing short of remarkable mate. Let Starmer keep opening our borders, casting aside UK citizens and pandering to the minorities and the percentage will only grow and grow. People have had enough, and if it wasn?t for the entrenched Labour vote, those who will vote Liebour with their eyes closed, mouths shut, and hands over ears, it would be even lower.

14 long years the Tories had in power and all they did was make the rich richer and most people poorer, and Reform are Tories they would do the same and ruin the country, long time till next general election and people will want to know what they stand for,well apart from being a far right party they would privatise the NHS and cut public services just like there friends the Tories, Farage is only out for himself he's not bothered about Clacton just in it to make more money just like he did when he made a fortune being a Member of EU parliament something he didn't believe in what a Chancer, Labour only had 6 months give them a chance although I don't agree with everything they have done at least they gonna bring in a workers rights charter when all workers will get sick pay and employment protection all your friends in Reform will do is take them all away, am sure there will be enough people in this country that won't vote for hatred when the next General election happens am sure of that and not do what people in America have done and vote in Trump the destroyer who is gonna hit Companies with Tariffs who in turn will pass them on to Jo public and make most people worse of unless you're a billionaire I can't believe how many people voted against there own interests, and I don't believe there will be enough stupid people to do it in UK ,

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[Mr Mercury]

tedspireite, on 04 February 2025 - 08:47 PM, said:

14 long years the Tories had in power and all they did was make the rich richer and most people poorer, and Reform are Tories they would do the same and ruin the country, long time till next general election and people will want to know what they stand for,well apart from being a far right party they would privatise the NHS and cut public services just like there friends the Tories, Farage is only out for himself he's not bothered about Clacton just in it to make more money just like he did when he made a fortune being a Member of EU parliament something he didn't believe in what a Chancer, Labour only had 6 months give them a chance although I don't agree with everything they have done at least they gonna bring in a workers rights charter when all workers will get sick pay and employment protection all your friends in Reform will do is take them all away, am sure there will be enough people in this country that won't vote for hatred when the next General election happens am sure of that and not do what people in America have done and vote in Trump the destroyer who is gonna hit Companies with Tariffs who in turn will pass them on to Jo public and make most people worse of unless you're a billionaire I can't believe how many people voted against there own interests, and I don't believe there will be enough stupid people to do it in UK ,

Ah pull the old if you vote for Reform you?re stupid or your voting for hatered card eh. Well I?ll certainly be voting for them. And by the looks of it so will millions more hateful and stupid people. But the thing that perplexes me is that anyone actually thinks this government is for the ordinary UK citizen. But hey ho

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[isleaiw1]

tedspireite, on 04 February 2025 - 08:47 PM, said:

14 long years the Tories had in power and all they did was make the rich richer and most people poorer, and Reform are Tories they would do the same and ruin the country, long time till next general election and people will want to know what they stand for,well apart from being a far right party they would privatise the NHS and cut public services just like there friends the Tories, Farage is only out for himself he's not bothered about Clacton just in it to make more money just like he did when he made a fortune being a Member of EU parliament something he didn't believe in what a Chancer, Labour only had 6 months give them a chance although I don't agree with everything they have done at least they gonna bring in a workers rights charter when all workers will get sick pay and employment protection all your friends in Reform will do is take them all away, am sure there will be enough people in this country that won't vote for hatred when the next General election happens am sure of that and not do what people in America have done and vote in Trump the destroyer who is gonna hit Companies with Tariffs who in turn will pass them on to Jo public and make most people worse of unless you're a billionaire I can't believe how many people voted against there own interests, and I don't believe there will be enough stupid people to do it in UK ,

So the assumptions in the midst of that with no factual support are:
- some form of public private mixed provision for health services would be bad - yet some of the best health services in the world are set up that way...
- cutting public services - at the moment they keep recruiting more people but the productivity is lower than 2019... there must be ways to improve this?
- do you think the workers rights bill will actually improve the lot for workers? expect an increase in temp contracts, fewer workers etc as the employers seek to avoid the cost impact of these things (or increased inflation if they take it and pass it on).

Labour won last time as it was an ABC election (anyone but conservative) and without getting more votes than they did the time before, They actually won because of reform. By the next election it could be anyone but the main two and a coalition govt where either reform or the Lib Dems hold the power is a real option....

[isleaiw1]

Mr Mercury, on 04 February 2025 - 08:56 PM, said:

Ah pull the old if you vote for Reform you?re stupid or your voting for hatered card eh. Well I?ll certainly be voting for them. And by the looks of it so will millions more hateful and stupid people. But the thing that perplexes me is that anyone actually thinks this government is for the ordinary UK citizen. But hey ho

The only stupid view is that the rich wont get richer whoever is in charge - as they can afford advice from the experts to avoid the rules they dont like, they generally control the production and service resources and can therefore adjust how they behave to make sure they prosper.

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 04 February 2025 - 09:27 PM, said:

The only stupid view is that the rich wont get richer whoever is in charge - as they can afford advice from the experts to avoid the rules they dont like, they generally control the production and service resources and can therefore adjust how they behave to make sure they prosper.

Agreed Ian, capitalism truly is a scourge, well said

[The Jolly Friar]

Another Labour dinosaur, saying we are all stupid. It's a rehash of you don't know what you're voting for from some posts I read a few weeks ago?

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 04 February 2025 - 09:30 PM, said:

Agreed Ian, capitalism truly is a scourge, well said

Its better than the alternative, if you dont think so then go and try China, Russia, North Korea as the option. Even Animal Farm sums up the reality of that way of governing...

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