[Looker-on]

60s 70s Spireite, on 27 January 2025 - 08:56 AM, said:

In which case, I would imagine our goals per corners is way above average - this season I have at least four - Naylor (or was one Grigg) and Grimes two each as I recall.? ? I am sure someone can confirm any omissions.
One stat site has us having 122 corners this season to date.

Six, I think, from corners:

Grigg vs Crewe
Naylor vs Crewe

Grigg v Notts
Grimes v Morecambe
Grimes v Barrow
Naylor vs Grimsby.

[Mr Mercury]

Just digressing from the match thread and talking about refs and pundits rather than start a new thread.
I was listening to 5live on the way home and hearing the pundits, namely Shearer absolutely slaying the ref and the var officials for the Arsenal sending off, they were exactly the same on MOTD saying what an awful decision it was. Am I going daft, is it just me but I thought it was a perfectly good decision. The tackle was late, it was studs up and it was above the ankle. No idea why the complaints about it.

[sophocles]

Mr Mercury, on 27 January 2025 - 09:52 AM, said:

Just digressing from the match thread and talking about refs and pundits rather than start a new thread.
I was listening to 5live on the way home and hearing the pundits, namely Shearer absolutely slaying the ref and the var officials for the Arsenal sending off, they were exactly the same on MOTD saying what an awful decision it was. Am I going daft, is it just me but I thought it was a perfectly good decision. The tackle was late, it was studs up and it was above the ankle. No idea why the complaints about it.

Completely agree. The player was deliberately wiped out by a totally illegal challenge preventing him from launching a breakaway attack. Red card all day long.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Looker-on, on 27 January 2025 - 09:45 AM, said:

Six, I think, from corners:

Grigg vs Crewe
Naylor vs Crewe

Grigg v Notts
Grimes v Morecambe
Grimes v Barrow
Naylor vs Grimsby.

Thanks. I have been looking for the stats of league two goals from corners, but all stat sites seem to be more geared to the betting industry, ie how many corners.
6 out 122 I would say is outstanding, and should quiten the critics, although, players, please dont dally when the clock is ticking down. We have a big enough screen to show you where we are at.

[dim view]

Mr Mercury, on 27 January 2025 - 09:52 AM, said:

Just digressing from the match thread and talking about refs and pundits rather than start a new thread.
I was listening to 5live on the way home and hearing the pundits, namely Shearer absolutely slaying the ref and the var officials for the Arsenal sending off, they were exactly the same on MOTD saying what an awful decision it was. Am I going daft, is it just me but I thought it was a perfectly good decision. The tackle was late, it was studs up and it was above the ankle. No idea why the complaints about it.

you must be psychic. I was going to write summat identical after MOTD 2.
Shearer would have been saying summat else if the victim had been Isaak and his ankle ligaments had been damaged. It should always be a red when somebody deliberately trips an opponent.
Shearer's pathetic indignation prompted Arteta to imply that the FA should rescind the decision without Arsenal having to bother with an appeal.

[Mr Mercury]

dim view, on 27 January 2025 - 10:21 AM, said:

you must be psychic. I was going to write summat identical after MOTD 2.
Shearer would have been saying summat else if the victim had been Isaak and his ankle ligaments had been damaged. It should always be a red when somebody deliberately trips an opponent.
Shearer's pathetic indignation prompted Arteta to imply that the FA should rescind the decision without Arsenal having to bother with an appeal.

I was eager to watch it because on the radio they made it seem like the worse decision ever. For me it was 100% right and I think Oliver is the best ref out there.

[JonB]

I think people have been a bit brainwashed by this taking a booking for the team stopping a break sort of thing that happens all the time now and its seen as good professional play to do it. I think some folk just saw it as a trip to stop a break and that was that. What didnt help slightly was that the tackle by the Wolves player later on was also not great and over the ball but deemed to just be a second yellow so he only gets a one game ban whereas i think the Arsenal player will get a 3 game ban so a slight lack of consistency. There was also this one by Joelinton in the Newcastle game where he goes over the ball onto the Southampton player and i dont think anything was given even with VAR able to have a look.



There was one a few years ago where a Birmingham player took a Coventry player out with a not great tackle lunging in to trip him from behind that could very easily have led to a bad injury, Birmingham player was sent off as the ref saw it as a bad tackle not just a stopping the break foul and there was uproar about it saying it was harsh. I thought at the time it was the right decision because on its own taking the fact it was a breakaway out of it it was just a horrible tackle.

https://www.skysport...ucky-to-see-red

This post has been edited by JonB: 27 January 2025 - 10:41 AM

[essexspireman]

There was a free kick in the second half where the PV player picked the ball up, presumably as a signal before he kicked it. I wasn?t sure if the ref had blown the whistle but if he had, it should have been handball - that would have been hilarious.

[Mr Mercury]

essexspireman, on 27 January 2025 - 10:42 AM, said:

There was a free kick in the second half where the PV player picked the ball up, presumably as a signal before he kicked it. I wasn?t sure if the ref had blown the whistle but if he had, it should have been handball - that would have been hilarious.

Yes he had blown the whistle and a few of us questioned why it was allowed.

[JonB]

essexspireman, on 27 January 2025 - 10:42 AM, said:

There was a free kick in the second half where the PV player picked the ball up, presumably as a signal before he kicked it. I wasn?t sure if the ref had blown the whistle but if he had, it should have been handball - that would have been hilarious.

Not seen that for a while but used to be a common thing as a signal. While the whistle has been blown i suspect its a case that the ball is not back in play until its kicked so its not handball.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 27 January 2025 - 10:45 AM, said:

Yes he had blown the whistle and a few of us questioned why it was allowed.

I think the rule appears to be the ball is only in play once it is kicked.

[Mr Mercury]

60s 70s Spireite, on 27 January 2025 - 10:48 AM, said:

I think the rule appears to be the ball is only in play once it is kicked.

I seem to remember many years ago at saltergate, I think Morecambe were the opponents, and we were winning 1-0 and right at the death we got a free kick/throw in in front of the main stand. One player threw or tapped it to another who then decided he was taking said free kick or throw, he picked it up and the ref blew for a Morcambe free kick for hand ball. Of course they booted it straight up the pitch and equalised with the last kick of the game.

[rodney]

dim view, on 27 January 2025 - 10:21 AM, said:

you must be psychic. I was going to write summat identical after MOTD 2.
Shearer would have been saying summat else if the victim had been Isaak and his ankle ligaments had been damaged. It should always be a red when somebody deliberately trips an opponent.
Shearer's pathetic indignation prompted Arteta to imply that the FA should rescind the decision without Arsenal having to bother with an appeal.

Never ever a red card. Nothing more than a trip 80 yards from goal. Similar challenge from the Wolves player, if anything worse?. Yellow card!!

[Osborne again]

Mr Mercury, on 27 January 2025 - 10:45 AM, said:

Yes he had blown the whistle and a few of us questioned why it was allowed.

The ref, on Saturday, was a bit slow to react apart from the red card,that is. When their player picked up the ball,most around me were non-plussed because in the first instance,it was handball and in the second, I'm pretty sure it was a moving ball. The grabbing hold of Pepple and later on Drummond went totally unpunished by him.
I like both new full backs and Kyle Macfadzean looks like he will quickly gain cult hero status. I thought that Jamie Grimes and Macfadzean played well together, to say they'd hardly had chance to greet eachother.
Tomorrow I'd start Sparkes further up the field and play Horton as full back and after the hour, replace Horton with Colclough, with Sparkes then dropping into the full back role. This will give Ryan Colclough a go against a tiring defence.

[dim view]

rodney, on 27 January 2025 - 11:10 AM, said:

Never ever a red card. Nothing more than a trip 80 yards from goal. Similar challenge from the Wolves player, if anything worse?. Yellow card!!

Even if the victim gets a serious injury?

The metric should be whether there's a genuine challenge for the ball. Obviously most pens are late challenges that should not be a red card.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 27 January 2025 - 11:04 AM, said:

I seem to remember many years ago at saltergate, I think Morecambe were the opponents, and we were winning 1-0 and right at the death we got a free kick/throw in in front of the main stand. One player threw or tapped it to another who then decided he was taking said free kick or throw, he picked it up and the ref blew for a Morcambe free kick for hand ball. Of course they booted it straight up the pitch and equalised with the last kick of the game.

We older viewers remember twice over a few short years, our keeper having the ball in his hands, mistakenly thought he had heard the referees whistle. Assuming it was for a free kick, put the ball down, stepped away for his run up, and watched while an opponent ambled in and stroked the ball into the empty net. Both times goal awarded.

[tomjoad]

Remember it well.

[Bonnyman]

Osborne again, on 27 January 2025 - 11:14 AM, said:

The ref, on Saturday, was a bit slow to react apart from the red card,that is. When their player picked up the ball,most around me were non-plussed because in the first instance,it was handball and in the second, I'm pretty sure it was a moving ball. The grabbing hold of Pepple and later on Drummond went totally unpunished by him.
I like both new full backs and Kyle Macfadzean looks like he will quickly gain cult hero status. I thought that Jamie Grimes and Macfadzean played well together, to say they'd hardly had chance to greet eachother.
Tomorrow I'd start Sparkes further up the field and play Horton as full back and after the hour, replace Horton with Colclough, with Sparkes then dropping into the full back role. This will give Ryan Colclough a go against a tiring defence.

good call , colclough has 25 minutes in him

[Burgerman]

What did folk think about young Sparkes?

My first impression is he has certainly got an eye for a cross. A fit Grigg on the pitch on Saturday and I think we would have won, he was putting plenty of decent balls in the box and he's not afraid to have a shot or get stuck in either.

I like him.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Burgerman, on 27 January 2025 - 11:56 AM, said:

What did folk think about young Sparkes?

My first impression is he has certainly got an eye for a cross. A fit Grigg on the pitch on Saturday and I think we would have won, he was putting plenty of decent balls in the box and he's not afraid to have a shot or get stuck in either.

I like him.

Didnt Liam write that Sparkes put in something like 17 crosses?