[Osborne again]

warfey is a spireite, on 26 January 2025 - 02:46 PM, said:

But it's true

These players you want to get rid of are under contract Warfey,and even though there will be players going out on loan, or even permanently, we need another club to show interest.

[Spireiteranger]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 January 2025 - 02:46 PM, said:

You go first.

- Basically, poor home support has cost us points this season.

Oops yes it does.
I read it as a whole rather than just focusing on one line tho. Overall agree with it about the negativity amongst the crowd in general

[eddymelt]

Spireite-Karl, on 26 January 2025 - 03:33 PM, said:

I was really impressed at Stockport (the game were Kingy cost us with his red card when were coasting) with their loud home vocals and was very envious. I wish we could try to lift the players like this even when we're not playing our best. I think a lot of the sideways and backwards football is partly to blame for this and when we're are expressive the crowd does respond. We need to try more forward passes and have willing runners. Also overload the box when we do get the chance; this would get the crowd going.

This is the EXACT example of how to get behind your club. They were 0-2 down to the Tshimanga's Goal of the Season spectacle and then Asante with another great strike, yet you can hear on the highlights how the crowd raised Stockport and had such belief.

We had that belief last season - look at the Hartlepool game, and so many more

[Westbars Spireite]

Spireiteranger, on 26 January 2025 - 04:07 PM, said:

Oops yes it does.
I read it as a whole rather than just focusing on one line tho. Overall agree with it about the negativity amongst the crowd in general

Do you agree that Chesterfield supporters have cost the team points?

[h again]

Do the fans lift the team or does the team lift the fans? Neither happening at the moment, but as somebody said, we just don't play the kind of football that gets fans out of their seats. We are what we are, and very successful a lot of the time, but it's bit hard to get enthused as the ball goes back and sideways for the umpteenth time, but a highly unscientific lump forward and a scramble in the penalty area would at least stir things up.
A fast game means excitement, which means noise. We don't do fast, we go to great lengths to slow the game. So we get enthusiastic fans (look at the numbers) but not excited ones.

[Mr Mercury]

warfey is a spireite, on 26 January 2025 - 03:05 PM, said:

Were told were not going to be a selling club anymore we've had those days,years ago ,if dobs goes that's 3 players all up front 27 goals between them,I remember days when we couldn't give Matlock 5000 for Bradshaw,this is a good opportunity to get out don't you think Merc ?

Firstly I?m sure we did all we could to keep Markanday but the writing was on the wall when Blackburn refused him permission to play in the FAC, they?ve obviously been monitoring his progress here and like we all know he?s been nothing short of exceptional. Blackburn now want to try him at the next level to see how he progresses to either offer him better terms in the summer or sell on themselves. Disappointing I know but completely out of our hands, you could say we did the same to both Barnet, and Southend, via Luton, when we recalled Hobson and got Pepple, both the clubs they were playing for were, like us, upset to lose those players. So with Markanday it?s out of our hands.
We bought Berry from lower down the pyramid and full credit to the lad, he played his part in our promotion back to the EFL and started the season exceptionally well, especially with the quality of his goals, but theres always been the doubts around his 90min ability and if he was better used as an impact sub. Everyone has their opinion on that. For me his form has dropped off and he seemed to drift out of games even more from early December, rumours that he maybe carrying a knock, maybe had his head turned, maybe both, but he didn?t seem right. Listening to Cooks recent interview it seems the club had a figure in mind, a figure I?m sure Cook and the Kirk?s had made together, to allow Berry to leave for, Blackpool apparently twice had bids refused for hi, therefore didn?t reach that target. Wycombe have and the rest is history. Whether that?s because zCook thought Berry had reached his ceiling and we cash in or he thinks we can do better at the same time I don?t know. But I?m sure with the manager we have and the Kirk?s financial input it?s not been done as part of a DA type fire sale.
Dobra is, I suppose you?d call him, our jewel in the crown, and there?s been muttering for at least a year that he?s on his way or been the subject of interest if not actual bids. I think it was mentioned elsewhere he?s also recently change his agent which may turn heads, again I don?t know, but Dobra is contracted here for a furthe 18 months so we?ve no need to sell at all. Saying that again I?m sure the Kirk?s and Cook would have an idea of his saleable value were it would benefit the club to sell and if that target is met then yes he may go. That?s the issue you will always have as a lower league club, it?s maximising the cost gained against the player loss and I?ve no doubt that the Kirk?s re the finance and Cook re the playing staff will make the decision on merit. It might not always work out because that?s football life, but I think we?re a million miles from the post 2014/15 selling era of the previous owner.

[oldgoat]

h again, on 26 January 2025 - 04:17 PM, said:

Do the fans lift the team or does the team lift the fans? Neither happening at the moment, but as somebody said, we just don't play the kind of football that gets fans out of their seats. We are what we are, and very successful a lot of the time, but it's bit hard to get enthused as the ball goes back and sideways for the umpteenth time, but a highly unscientific lump forward and a scramble in the penalty area would at least stir things up.
A fast game means excitement, which means noise. We don't do fast, we go to great lengths to slow the game. So we get enthusiastic fans (look at the numbers) but not excited ones.

Well summed up

[jack bauer]

i reside in the north stand these days and would agree that the ground (from a town point of view) is quieter this season than last season when i was also in the north stand, not sure why that is, in part it may be that opposition fans are close to where i am and given we actually have fans from other clubs this season they tend to make a lot of noise, last season most teams were bringing sub 100 a lot of the time so you hardly noticed them. as i mentioned on a thread yesterday we are also scoring most goals in the north end this season, that "South stand"/kop end factor of sucking the ball in just isn't quite the same at the moment. to blame fans for dropping points though is a bit of a stretch, i'd say the fact we are playing against much tougher opposition each week might be more of a factor.

[HaslandBlue58]

Mr Mercury, on 26 January 2025 - 04:22 PM, said:

Firstly I?m sure we did all we could to keep Markanday but the writing was on the wall when Blackburn refused him permission to play in the FAC, they?ve obviously been monitoring his progress here and like we all know he?s been nothing short of exceptional. Blackburn now want to try him at the next level to see how he progresses to either offer him better terms in the summer or sell on themselves. Disappointing I know but completely out of our hands, you could say we did the same to both Barnet, and Southend, via Luton, when we recalled Hobson and got Pepple, both the clubs they were playing for were, like us, upset to lose those players. So with Markanday it?s out of our hands.
We bought Berry from lower down the pyramid and full credit to the lad, he played his part in our promotion back to the EFL and started the season exceptionally well, especially with the quality of his goals, but theres always been the doubts around his 90min ability and if he was better used as an impact sub. Everyone has their opinion on that. For me his form has dropped off and he seemed to drift out of games even more from early December, rumours that he maybe carrying a knock, maybe had his head turned, maybe both, but he didn?t seem right. Listening to Cooks recent interview it seems the club had a figure in mind, a figure I?m sure Cook and the Kirk?s had made together, to allow Berry to leave for, Blackpool apparently twice had bids refused for hi, therefore didn?t reach that target. Wycombe have and the rest is history. Whether that?s because zCook thought Berry had reached his ceiling and we cash in or he thinks we can do better at the same time I don?t know. But I?m sure with the manager we have and the Kirk?s financial input it?s not been done as part of a DA type fire sale.
Dobra is, I suppose you?d call him, our jewel in the crown, and there?s been muttering for at least a year that he?s on his way or been the subject of interest if not actual bids. I think it was mentioned elsewhere he?s also recently change his agent which may turn heads, again I don?t know, but Dobra is contracted here for a furthe 18 months so we?ve no need to sell at all. Saying that again I?m sure the Kirk?s and Cook would have an idea of his saleable value were it would benefit the club to sell and if that target is met then yes he may go. That?s the issue you will always have as a lower league club, it?s maximising the cost gained against the player loss and I?ve no doubt that the Kirk?s re the finance and Cook re the playing staff will make the decision on merit. It might not always work out because that?s football life, but I think we?re a million miles from the post 2014/15 selling era of the previous owner.

Factual and well put,not convinced that Warfey will be convinced though ......

[CruisingBlues]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 January 2025 - 02:46 PM, said:

You go first.

- Basically, poor home support has cost us points this season.

Yeah sorry, this was not the correct way of saying it. I was more alluding to how the crowd helped win the points against Grimsby at home when DJ was sent off, I just believe that if the crowd had fully got behind the team against Swindon, Salford, Cheltenham and Vale, we?d have a couple more wins.

Obviously saying the crowd lost points is a stupid way to say it, but I hope you understand where it?s coming from.

Our support in terms of numbers is one of the best in the league and nobody can argue that!

[HoneyTrippa]

Ive said it many times before on this forum. Its harder to generate an atmosphere at home as there are isolated pockets of fans in silos dotted around the ground. e.g South Stand Kop, S5 , W7 and groups in the North stand. If these were all together in the same area in the Kop then Im sure we would generate more atmosphere and noise.Traditionally when we travel away the fans are grouped together in a confined designated area so more noise and atmosphere is generated. Add to that the "away day jolly" aspect and the fans are a lot more up for it and vocal. This happens at most cubs and grounds where the home support noise is relatively quiet or sometimes non existent... its not just us,.... its an anomaly of football unfortuneately.

[Westbars Spireite]

CruisingBlues, on 26 January 2025 - 04:59 PM, said:

Yeah sorry, this was not the correct way of saying it. I was more alluding to how the crowd helped win the points against Grimsby at home when DJ was sent off, I just believe that if the crowd had fully got behind the team against Swindon, Salford, Cheltenham and Vale, we?d have a couple more wins.

Obviously saying the crowd lost points is a stupid way to say it, but I hope you understand where it?s coming from.

Our support in terms of numbers is one of the best in the league and nobody can argue that!

Fair enough mate, thought it was a weird claim taken at face value.

[CFC91]

Atmosphere yesterday was very poor, especially 2nd half getting on top post the red card. The place should have been getting going to ramping up, and it just didn?t really happen.

It can be good, but the norm is pretty poor. Away from home a different story, always plenty stood making a racket

The club are also not very supportive of fans who want to generate an atmosphere, as shown by numerous attempts to close down any gathering of fans in W7. We have empty blocks in N4 and N5, (or even W7 with not many ST holders) they could open up and say ?fans who want to create an atmosphere should gather here are encouraged to buy tickets in this block? creating a singing section of such.

The Kop is not really a Kop in reality, too many in there happy to sit and keep quiet, very noticeable with S3/S5 having some standing trying to create a bit of the noise, whilst other blocks remain sat/silent.

Very evident yesterday which is why the noise doesn?t carry well from S5 to S3 and vice versa because those inbetween don?t get involved

This post has been edited by CFC91: 26 January 2025 - 05:46 PM

[jonnythespireite]

warfey is a spireite, on 26 January 2025 - 03:05 PM, said:

Were told were not going to be a selling club anymore we've had those days,years ago ,if dobs goes that's 3 players all up front 27 goals between them,I remember days when we couldn't give Matlock 5000 for Bradshaw,this is a good opportunity to get out don't you think Merc ?

Who?s said we?re not a selling club anymore?

[DIFH]

h again, on 26 January 2025 - 04:17 PM, said:

Do the fans lift the team or does the team lift the fans? Neither happening at the moment, but as somebody said, we just don't play the kind of football that gets fans out of their seats. We are what we are, and very successful a lot of the time, but it's bit hard to get enthused as the ball goes back and sideways for the umpteenth time, but a highly unscientific lump forward and a scramble in the penalty area would at least stir things up.
A fast game means excitement, which means noise. We don't do fast, we go to great lengths to slow the game. So we get enthusiastic fans (look at the numbers) but not excited ones.

Considering we?ve a hat full of players returning from injury, the loss of Berry,Grigg and Makanday goals the remainder of the squad carrying us through a difficult patch I?d say excitement is the last thing I?d expect.

You?ve to give the new players time to get match fit and then you?ve to allow the opposition scoring at crucial times.


This is the time when the crowd should be at their loudest and I have to say the noise of the new drum is hardly inspiring. That?s not a slight at Yogi either.

[HaslandBlue58]

HoneyTrippa, on 26 January 2025 - 05:00 PM, said:

Ive said it many times before on this forum. Its harder to generate an atmosphere at home as there are isolated pockets of fans in silos dotted around the ground. e.g South Stand Kop, S5 , W7 and groups in the North stand. If these were all together in the same area in the Kop then Im sure we would generate more atmosphere and noise.Traditionally when we travel away the fans are grouped together in a confined designated area so more noise and atmosphere is generated. Add to that the "away day jolly" aspect and the fans are a lot more up for it and vocal. This happens at most cubs and grounds where the home support noise is relatively quiet or sometimes non existent... its not just us,.... its an anomaly of football unfortuneately.

Totally agree, I have said on several threads over the past two seasons how S3 and S5 get totally out of synch and the chant just fades away.

[moondog]

On the subject of atmosphere I've said it before we need 'come on you blues" banging out when we get a corner, the young uns appear totally anti anything can't be accompanied by a drum

[Trigger]

CFC91, on 26 January 2025 - 05:42 PM, said:

Atmosphere yesterday was very poor, especially 2nd half getting on top post the red card. The place should have been getting going to ramping up, and it just didn?t really happen.

It can be good, but the norm is pretty poor. Away from home a different story, always plenty stood making a racket

The club are also not very supportive of fans who want to generate an atmosphere, as shown by numerous attempts to close down any gathering of fans in W7. We have empty blocks in N4 and N5, (or even W7 with not many ST holders) they could open up and say ?fans who want to create an atmosphere should gather here are encouraged to buy tickets in this block? creating a singing section of such.

The Kop is not really a Kop in reality, too many in there happy to sit and keep quiet, very noticeable with S3/S5 having some standing trying to create a bit of the noise, whilst other blocks remain sat/silent.

Very evident yesterday which is why the noise doesn?t carry well from S5 to S3 and vice versa because those inbetween don?t get involved

🙋‍♂️ I do (S4). But I am mostly on my own in there since my young un moved down to S5.

[Waller is my hero]

Osborne again, on 26 January 2025 - 03:58 PM, said:

These players you want to get rid of are under contract Warfey,and even though there will be players going out on loan, or even permanently, we need another club to show interest.

We all know that warpey has more experience & knowledge that cook to know what?s wanted.

In reality?.knows flip all

[Tha Knows...]

HoneyTrippa, on 26 January 2025 - 05:00 PM, said:

Ive said it many times before on this forum. Its harder to generate an atmosphere at home as there are isolated pockets of fans in silos dotted around the ground. e.g South Stand Kop, S5 , W7 and groups in the North stand. If these were all together in the same area in the Kop then Im sure we would generate more atmosphere and noise.Traditionally when we travel away the fans are grouped together in a confined designated area so more noise and atmosphere is generated. Add to that the "away day jolly" aspect and the fans are a lot more up for it and vocal. This happens at most cubs and grounds where the home support noise is relatively quiet or sometimes non existent... its not just us,.... its an anomaly of football unfortuneately.

The support given by home fans when we play away is generally far inferior/quieter to the support we give at our home games.