[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Toddhopper., on 14 January 2025 - 11:02 PM, said:

Seems at the moment the universe is conspiring against us. As it stands we should all be happy with consolidation this season. Its frustrating of course and we can still hope we can pull it back together. But from this point it is definitely hope & not expectation for me.

Well said.

We could've had, and still might make an impact on the play offs with a 'normal' season.

But these injuries...

[spireitetoo]

Wonder if we're trying to renegotiate the terms of the loan to help get him back??

[Westbars Spireite]

spireitetoo, on 15 January 2025 - 06:37 AM, said:

Wonder if we're trying to renegotiate the terms of the loan to help get him back??

Unlikely. We could make an offer to buy him but that's probably unlikely too.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Never fall in love with a loan player- is the title of a reel Sky Sports have up at the moment, it eases the pain. Its not just us.

[hilly81]

Lincs Spireite, on 15 January 2025 - 06:12 AM, said:

So, it seems reasonable to assume he's gone/on his way. That raises the question do we replace him and with who. Could we be in with a bid for Clucas ?

To replace Markanday??

[born in 1866]

Fit as a Nelson, on 14 January 2025 - 10:59 PM, said:

Is that in his contract?

Strange question, the answer being I'm not privy to the his contract, only Blackburn and Markanday are.

[dtp]

born in 1866, on 15 January 2025 - 08:54 AM, said:

Strange question, the answer being I'm not privy to the his contract, only Blackburn and Markanday are.

Come on, tha knows some on here know the top and bottom lines of every players pay packet.

[Fit as a Nelson]

born in 1866, on 15 January 2025 - 08:54 AM, said:

Strange question, the answer being I'm not privy to the his contract, only Blackburn and Markanday are.

It won?t be

[60s 70s Spireite]

An update of sorts from Blackburns end.
John Eustace was quizzed about Markanday?s future at his pre-match press conference on Monday afternoon.
The head coach said nothing had been decided at that point and that more conversations would be taking place before the end of the window.
I have spoken briefly with the club about him but that is something we will have to speak about again. I am not too sure what Dilan is doing at the moment - he said.

[born in 1866]

Fit as a Nelson, on 15 January 2025 - 09:22 AM, said:

It won?t be

So as dtp says. You're one of those that think they know the content of a confidential document.

[Toddhopper.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 January 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

An update of sorts from Blackburns end.
John Eustace was quizzed about Markanday?s future at his pre-match press conference on Monday afternoon.
The head coach said nothing had been decided at that point and that more conversations would be taking place before the end of the window.
I have spoken briefly with the club about him but that is something we will have to speak about again. I am not too sure what Dilan is doing at the moment - he said.

still hope then

[Westbars Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 January 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

An update of sorts from Blackburns end.
John Eustace was quizzed about Markanday?s future at his pre-match press conference on Monday afternoon.
The head coach said nothing had been decided at that point and that more conversations would be taking place before the end of the window.
I have spoken briefly with the club about him but that is something we will have to speak about again. I am not too sure what Dilan is doing at the moment - he said.

He should be sure. It's his job.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 15 January 2025 - 10:21 AM, said:

He should be sure. It's his job.

Reads to me like there's a difference between the Head Coach's action plan and the Chairman's.

[born in 1866]

dim view, on 15 January 2025 - 10:33 AM, said:

Reads to me like there's a difference between the Head Coach's action plan and the Chairman's.

Markanday was a first team regular until Eustace entered the building, then he failed to feature and then loaned out.
As Head Coach, if he doesn't know where his players are, it's like you said, there's something going on behind the scenes and Eustace has been frozen out of the equation.

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 15 January 2025 - 10:21 AM, said:

He should be sure. It's his job.

I suspect has Head Coach his main remit is the first team squad which Markanday is currently not part off. Lots of these bigger teams now have a role that is specifically dealing with loan players so they may have someone that is doing the same. Eustace is one of these more modern named Head Coaches so suspect his remit is mainly the first team and preparing them. Markanday probably wouldnt be directly related to him unless he was recalled and part of the first team squad or he said he could do with him back so can we recall him.

I dont think these days managers\head coaches have full control over everything, see lots these days where they are involved in transfers but its not all down to them. They advise what sort of player\position they need and there is a recruitment team that goes out and finds a player that matches that requirement.

**Edit**
Just found this article where Rudy Gestede (Rovers head of football operations) names the guy that is in charge of the loan players they have out at lower league clubs, bloke called Stuart Jones who appears to be the head of their academy :-
https://www.lancashi...cus-youngsters/

Does make a bit of sense that their main academy guy is looking after the loan players that are out and about. If Eustace doesnt see Markanday as part of the first team squad currently then he is unlikely to be involved with any recall and subsequent loaning out again.

This post has been edited by JonB: 15 January 2025 - 10:50 AM

[Phil V 72]

Did I read somewhere that if Markanday were to make many more appearances for Blackburn then that would trigger a further payment to Spurs? Unless the coach thinks he?s good enough to meaningfully contribute to their squad then they may be strongly discouraged from using him at Blackburn, and may just keep sending him out until his contract runs out.

[born in 1866]

JonB, on 15 January 2025 - 10:46 AM, said:

I suspect has Head Coach his main remit is the first team squad which Markanday is currently not part off. Lots of these bigger teams now have a role that is specifically dealing with loan players so they may have someone that is doing the same. Eustace is one of these more modern named Head Coaches so suspect his remit is mainly the first team and preparing them. Markanday probably wouldnt be directly related to him unless he was recalled and part of the first team squad or he said he could do with him back so can we recall him.

I dont think these days managers\head coaches have full control over everything, see lots these days where they are involved in transfers but its not all down to them. They advise what sort of player\position they need and there is a recruitment team that goes out and finds a player that matches that requirement.

I can remember PC said, after Ipswich, that the training schedule had been taken off of him and given to the fitness coach.
Probably one of the reasons he returned is that he is in total control and can't be undermined.
He's head of the recruitment room, been handed the academy to align with his training methods, hence KD working with both, and is in total control of team affairs, he's given a budget and it's up to him how he spends it.
He's the DOF in all but name.

[60s 70s Spireite]

JonB, on 15 January 2025 - 10:46 AM, said:

I suspect has Head Coach his main remit is the first team squad which Markanday is currently not part off. Lots of these bigger teams now have a role that is specifically dealing with loan players so they may have someone that is doing the same. Eustace is one of these more modern named Head Coaches so suspect his remit is mainly the first team and preparing them. Markanday probably wouldnt be directly related to him unless he was recalled and part of the first team squad or he said he could do with him back so can we recall him.

I dont think these days managers\head coaches have full control over everything, see lots these days where they are involved in transfers but its not all down to them. They advise what sort of player\position they need and there is a recruitment team that goes out and finds a player that matches that requirement.

**Edit**
Just found this article where Rudy Gestede (Rovers head of football operations) names the guy that is in charge of the loan players they have out at lower league clubs, bloke called Stuart Jones who appears to be the head of their academy :-
https://www.lancashi...cus-youngsters/

Does make a bit of sense that their main academy guy is looking after the loan players that are out and about. If Eustace doesnt see Markanday as part of the first team squad currently then he is unlikely to be involved with any recall and subsequent loaning out again.

Yes, when Tyrer was here, Everton always quoted their man who was in charge of players out on loan when it came to an update.
Would think Chelsea will need about four in such a role!

[Hibbo98]

JonB, on 15 January 2025 - 10:46 AM, said:

I suspect has Head Coach his main remit is the first team squad which Markanday is currently not part off. Lots of these bigger teams now have a role that is specifically dealing with loan players so they may have someone that is doing the same. Eustace is one of these more modern named Head Coaches so suspect his remit is mainly the first team and preparing them. Markanday probably wouldnt be directly related to him unless he was recalled and part of the first team squad or he said he could do with him back so can we recall him.

I dont think these days managers\head coaches have full control over everything, see lots these days where they are involved in transfers but its not all down to them. They advise what sort of player\position they need and there is a recruitment team that goes out and finds a player that matches that requirement.

**Edit**
Just found this article where Rudy Gestede (Rovers head of football operations) names the guy that is in charge of the loan players they have out at lower league clubs, bloke called Stuart Jones who appears to be the head of their academy :-
https://www.lancashi...cus-youngsters/

Does make a bit of sense that their main academy guy is looking after the loan players that are out and about. If Eustace doesnt see Markanday as part of the first team squad currently then he is unlikely to be involved with any recall and subsequent loaning out again.

I?d imagine he?s just back at Blackburn ticking over until Orient make their mind up on whether to take him or not.
Like us they?ve got loads of injuries at the minute, they had a couple more last night too. They?ve already got 5 loanees who all seemingly play, so need to be mindful of where to strengthen with the last one and any returning players etc
Strange scenario though. Hope we?re not paying his wages to be back with Blackburn!

[Fit as a Nelson]

born in 1866, on 15 January 2025 - 10:19 AM, said:

So as dtp says. You're one of those that think they know the content of a confidential document.

Absolutely not, I?m not one of these in the know types at all. It just seems common sense, I am trying to determine these muddy waters, if he was still here on loan he would have been available, if he has been recalled he wouldn?t be, crystal clear to me.