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#3641 User is online   Wooden Spoon 

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Posted 06 January 2025 - 08:55 PM

View Postdart in the crossbar, on 05 January 2025 - 09:34 PM, said:

As a goodbye from me to the Personal section. A piece copied from the excellent Holocaust Memorial Day Trust

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niem?ller

Martin Niem?ller was born in Lippstadt, in the west of Germany, on 14 January 1892. He was the son of a priest, and in 1910 he joined the German Navy. During World War One he was assigned to a U-Boat, a German submarine, and eventually became its commander.

Niem?ller followed in his father?s footsteps and started training to be a priest in 1920. The 1920s were a difficult time for many in Germany, and Niem?ller took a part-time job laying railway tracks to earn money while studying. Many people, including Niem?ller, believed that the new German government, the Weimar Republic, was unable to deal with the continuing economic and political problems Germany faced. Support for radical political groups like the Nazis grew. Life worsened for most Germans when the Great Depression, a worldwide economic crisis, started in 1929, with businesses closing and many people losing their jobs.

During the 1920s and early 1930s, the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler became increasingly popular. They blamed the country?s difficulties on Jews, foreigners, and the weakness of the Weimar government, and promised they would improve ordinary people?s lives. Niem?ller was one of the Nazi party?s early supporters. After being ordained in 1929, he remained a strong supporter of Hitler, despite the party?s hatred of, and discrimination against, Jewish people and other groups.

Like many Germans at the time, Niem?ller believed that the Nazis and Hitler would provide strong leadership to make Germany a powerful and respected nation again. He also saw the Nazi party as a way for Germany to return to the Christian morals he thought had been abandoned, even referring to Hitler as an ?instrument sent by god?. Niem?ller?s eventual split with the Nazi party came when they started to control the German Protestant Church. They appointed an official leader of the Church and changed the text of the Bible to remove what the Nazis saw as ?Jewish ideology?.

After meeting with Adolf Hitler in January 1934, Niem?ller started to see the Nazi state as a dictatorship. Even then, although Niem?ller criticised the German government for interference in religious matters, he did not criticise the discriminatory laws forbidding Jewish people from marrying non-Jews, and preventing Jews from having jobs in government. Niem?ller himself held antisemitic views; in the 1920s and 1930s he referred to Jews as a ?despised people? and ?Christ killers?. The only arguments he made were that Jews should be allowed to remain members of the church once they converted to Christianity, and that the German government should not interfere with the way churches were run.

Niem?ller?s opposition to the Nazi regime?s rules for churches saw him arrested several times, as he became increasingly critical of the Nazis and Hitler. In July 1937 he was arrested again, held for eight months without trial, and re-arrested immediately after his release by the Gestapo, Germany?s secret police. He was then sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp. At this point, these camps held political prisoners, in addition to those perceived as ?threats to society? such as Jewish people, gay men, Roma and Sinti people, and ?asocials? including alcoholics and beggars. In 1941, Niemoller was transferred to Dachau concentration camp, where he would spend most of the rest of the war. Finally, in 1945 he was transferred to another camp in Austria, where he was liberated by American troops in April 1945.

After World War Two, Niem?ller repeatedly expressed regret at his previous support for the Nazi party, and his failure to oppose it more broadly. In 1945 he admitted he ?never quarrelled with Hitler over political matters, but purely on religious grounds?. However, it is notable that the first public record of Niem?ller apologising for his own antisemitic words and views was not until 1963 in a radio interview.

In October of 1945, just a few months after the war ended, Niem?ller headed a group of German churches who admitted they did not do enough to oppose the Nazi regime. Niem?ller was one of very few Germans who called on their fellow citizens to accept their responsibility for Nazi atrocities too, saying in a sermon in 1946:

?We must openly declare that we are not innocent of the Nazi murders, of the murder of German communists, Poles, Jews, and the people in German-occupied countries? And this guilt lies heavily upon the German people and the German name, even upon Christendom. For in our world and in our name have these things been done.?

The poem for which he has become most well-known, First They Came, was also written in this post-war period. Niem?ller gave many lectures on a world tour in 1947, which included his poem, leading to several slightly different versions. He was one of the few to speak out quickly, and say that the German people should accept responsibility for the murders of six million Jewish people during the Holocaust. This opinion was often not well received in Germany at the time.



They came for vulnerable young girls in their thousands,

But because I?m not a girl but am a politician I did nothing

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Posted 06 January 2025 - 10:02 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 06 January 2025 - 11:20 AM, said:

Read this on X this morning, not fact checked

Here?s the arrest rate for different nationalities in the UK once you weight for their population

Brits = 12 arrests per 1,000 people

Somalis 64.6 per 1,000 people
Moroccans 70 per 1,000 people
Algerians 72.7 per 1,000 people
Iraqis 92.9 per 1,000 people
Afghans 106.9 per 1,000 people
Albanians 209.8 per 1,000 people

Is it true that in 2024 45% of sex crime arrests in Derbyshire were committed by foreign nationals?

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Posted 06 January 2025 - 10:10 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 06 January 2025 - 10:02 PM, said:

Is it true that in 2024 45% of sex crime arrests in Derbyshire were committed by foreign nationals.



Who knows, that data wouldn?t be for public consumption
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Posted 06 January 2025 - 10:13 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 06 January 2025 - 10:10 PM, said:

Who knows, that data wouldn?t be for public consumption

Maybe in home office figures released
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Posted 06 January 2025 - 10:18 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 06 January 2025 - 10:02 PM, said:

Is it true that in 2024 45% of sex crime arrests in Derbyshire were committed by foreign nationals?

Ask for freedom of information data release
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Posted 06 January 2025 - 10:18 PM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 06 January 2025 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ask for freedom of information data release

I believe those figures have been released
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Posted 10 January 2025 - 01:30 AM

View PostMr Mercury, on 06 January 2025 - 10:18 PM, said:

I believe those figures have been released

They have. Foreign nationals commit 3.5 times more sexual offences per capita



Literally imported rapists. That?s not racist that?s an imperial statistic. And on the back of the latest national scandal over the Muslim rape and torture gangs this has to stop. Absolutely this has to stop. No longer can or should the powers that be accept the systematically sexual assault of our children

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Posted 10 January 2025 - 07:52 AM

Speech to Rupert Lowe yesterday


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Posted 10 January 2025 - 10:25 AM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 10 January 2025 - 01:30 AM, said:

They have. Foreign nationals commit 3.5 times more sexual offences per capita



Literally imported rapists. That?s not racist that?s an imperial statistic. And on the back of the latest national scandal over the Muslim rape and torture gangs this has to stop. Absolutely this has to stop. No longer can or should the powers that be accept the systematically sexual assault of our children

What would be most revealing are the imperial statistics on this subject in other European countries that have accepted similar immigrants. That's a review that could start now, by a small team.
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Posted 10 January 2025 - 05:11 PM

View Postdim view, on 10 January 2025 - 10:25 AM, said:

What would be most revealing are the imperial statistics on this subject in other European countries that have accepted similar immigrants. That's a review that could start now, by a small team.


https://www.bbc.co.u...pe-45419466.amp
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Posted 10 January 2025 - 05:36 PM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 10 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:



TALK RADIO this morning.100's of released migrants, in the last 4 years, who should have been deported but were not, have committed over 40,000 crimes, some as serious as murder.


This includes the illegal migrant who was taken off a plane when passengers rebelled. This charmer went on to commit murder.







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Posted 10 January 2025 - 05:59 PM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 10 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:


2018 article
I wonder what the figures are now?
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Posted 10 January 2025 - 11:20 PM

One of the best countries I?ve ever been to is made up of 100% immigrants. It has no indigenous people. It?s clean, incredibly friendly and very safe.

A country the rest of the world could learn from.
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Posted 11 January 2025 - 07:25 AM

View PostBurgerman, on 10 January 2025 - 11:20 PM, said:

One of the best countries I?ve ever been to is made up of 100% immigrants. It has no indigenous people. It?s clean, incredibly friendly and very safe.

A country the rest of the world could learn from.


What country is that
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Posted 11 January 2025 - 10:01 AM

View Postoldgoat, on 11 January 2025 - 07:25 AM, said:

What country is that

Sorry, I meant to add it on another line but got distracted.

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Posted 11 January 2025 - 11:36 AM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 10 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:


Ta.
Very interesting but wor I want to know specifically is if gangs with identical characteristics to the ones that those calling for an Enquiry possess have evolved in parallel and been investigated in Europe.
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Posted 11 January 2025 - 04:37 PM

View Postdim view, on 11 January 2025 - 11:36 AM, said:

Ta.
Very interesting but wor I want to know specifically is if gangs with identical characteristics to the ones that those calling for an Enquiry possess have evolved in parallel and been investigated in Europe.



The enquiry shouldn?t just be into the Muslim rape gangs, but the whole establishment culture that covered it up and refused to take the girls and their families complaints seriously because of fear of being branded racist


This scandal is on a scale in terms of numbers and depravity is unlike anything seen in this country. It?s gangs of Jimmy savilles in 50 different towns.


There was a shocking stat about Rotherham - 1 in 73 Pakistani men in the town had been prosecuted- that?s not counting those who left to go back to Pakistan to avoid prosecution. Just in terms of offenders per capita that?s an astonishing number.
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Posted 11 January 2025 - 04:41 PM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 11 January 2025 - 04:37 PM, said:

The enquiry shouldn?t just be into the Muslim rape gangs, but the whole establishment culture that covered it up and refused to take the girls and their families complaints seriously because of fear of being branded racist


This scandal is on a scale in terms of numbers and depravity is unlike anything seen in this country. It?s gangs of Jimmy savilles in 50 different towns.


There was a shocking stat about Rotherham - 1 in 73 Pakistani men in the town had been prosecuted- that?s not counting those who left to go back to Pakistan to avoid prosecution. Just in terms of offenders per capita that?s an astonishing number.

Precisely. So if nowt like it has happened anywhere else in Europe then it tells us a lot.
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Posted 11 January 2025 - 08:26 PM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 10 January 2025 - 01:30 AM, said:

They have. Foreign nationals commit 3.5 times more sexual offences per capita



Literally imported rapists. That?s not racist that?s an imperial statistic. And on the back of the latest national scandal over the Muslim rape and torture gangs this has to stop. Absolutely this has to stop. No longer can or should the powers that be accept the systematically sexual assault of our children



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Posted 12 January 2025 - 08:54 AM

View Postdim view, on 11 January 2025 - 04:41 PM, said:

Precisely. So if nowt like it has happened anywhere else in Europe then it tells us a lot.



I saw a thing relating to the drug rape case of the French woman by her husband - saying the authorities in Germany had found evidence of file sharing and messages between up to 70,000 men in Europe on tips about buying sedatives and methods of dispensing these drugs to women so they could be raped.


Nothing about the ethnicity of these men, or attempts by the establishment to hide it or cover it up for fear of social cohesion but even so it?s a shocking number of scumbags communicating over this
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