[dim view]

JonB, on 27 December 2024 - 12:05 PM, said:

I?m not going to label him as unacceptable etc but from being there I don?t think he was man of the match by a long way.

That's fair. It's the word 'unacceptable' that grates.

[clarevoyant.]

dim view, on 27 December 2024 - 11:57 AM, said:

No.
Highlights show various acceptable phases. Why was the rest unacceptable?

I thought he had a good first half, but starved of the ball second half. Why was he starved of the ball? he was in space on many occasions, but we tended to switch play to the other side, why? were his team mates aware he was carrying an injury? Perhaps they talk about such things whilst having a pre match pint!!

In the crowd yesterday someone would audibly moan about Berry and others would follow suit like lemmings as if it was the thing to do, "The Tony Moore syndrom".

If he is playing on with a niggle all I can say his "Top Man"

[rodney]

dim view, on 27 December 2024 - 11:57 AM, said:

No.
Highlights show various acceptable phases. Why was the rest unacceptable?

Effort in my opinion. At one stage Dobra ran from 20 yards behind him to close a player down. As others have said Paul Cook and Berry had a similar heat map in the 2nd half.

I know a lot of this board don?t like any negative comments but football is based on opinions. If he isn?t fit he shouldn?t be starting.

All that did there is a player in there and hope Cook is the man to get it out of him

[DOUGLAS JARDINE]

warfey is a spireite, on 26 December 2024 - 05:28 PM, said:

Blame injuries all day long ,that was a urine poor opposition,like Harrogate ,we should be beating teams like that ,were they out in Blackpool last night?

What a blimey prick you are

[tedspireite]

rodney, on 27 December 2024 - 12:23 PM, said:

Effort in my opinion. At one stage Dobra ran from 20 yards behind him to close a player down. As others have said Paul Cook and Berry had a similar heat map in the 2nd half.

I know a lot of this board don?t like any negative comments but football is based on opinions. If he isn?t fit he shouldn?t be starting.

All that did there is a player in there and hope Cook is the man to get it out of him

Agreed if Berry is carrying a injury he shouldn't be playing at all, we don't want him out for months as well ,there is only so long a player can carry on playing before injury is made worse .

[1978blue]

dart in the crossbar, on 26 December 2024 - 07:46 PM, said:

A very decent performance given the injury list. On another day we'd have had at least one penno on Drummond. With a bit of luck Grimes would have been on, or given as being on.

As with the vast majority of games so far we looked by some way the better team and played some very good football.

Nothing wrong with today other than the result.

Totally agree with you , I said the same coming back yesterday. Fine margins , if Grimes's goal had stood we had the momentum and could have possibly have gone on to win the game. The team are doing exceptionally well though considering all these injuries and shouldn't be knocked when results like yesterday happen.

[clarevoyant.]

Just watched the highlights and true to form, no sign of the pen claim. Do the powers that be employ some of Putins press officers to sanction what's allowed.

Conclude, a definate pen then. There also looked another good shout again on Drummond in one the melees (Wrexham would have got it)

[MrTall]

clarevoyant., on 27 December 2024 - 01:26 PM, said:

Just watched the highlights and true to form, no sign of the pen claim. Do the powers that be employ some of Putins press officers to sanction what's allowed.

Conclude, a definate pen then. There also looked another good shout again on Drummond in one the melees (Wrexham would have got it)

Watched it on TV and there was no penalty to give throughout the game.

[boot]

tedspireite, on 27 December 2024 - 01:04 PM, said:

Agreed if Berry is carrying a injury he shouldn't be playing at all, we don't want him out for months as well ,there is only so long a player can carry on playing before injury is made worse .

Who knows, but I find it difficult to believe that Berry is playing, and being asked and encouraged to play with an injury by Cook - he ain't that daft. I don't think it's his legs, more his head and heart at the moment - both curable hopefully, otherwise a wasted talent.

[azul]

MrTall, on 27 December 2024 - 01:35 PM, said:

Watched it on TV and there was no penalty to give throughout the game.

Thought Drummond had a decent shout when he went for the rebound from the Mandeville shot but hardly stonewall. There was certainly a lot of contact from the defender

[60s 70s Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 27 December 2024 - 12:13 PM, said:

I thought he had a good first half, but starved of the ball second half. Why was he starved of the ball? he was in space on many occasions, but we tended to switch play to the other side, why? were his team mates aware he was carrying an injury? Perhaps they talk about such things whilst having a pre match pint!!

In the crowd yesterday someone would audibly moan about Berry and others would follow suit like lemmings as if it was the thing to do, "The Tony Moore syndrom".

If he is playing on with a niggle all I can say his "Top Man"

I thought of Tony Moore when I have heard the Berry moaners. Like the former, he is unfortunate in that he has to hog the left touchline, right under the tonsils of the detractors, which in turn does seem to affect his performance. Like his predecessor.

[JonB]

MrTall, on 27 December 2024 - 01:35 PM, said:

Watched it on TV and there was no penalty to give throughout the game.

From where we were in the stand it lookeda decent shout in the opening mins for the foul on Drummond.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 27 December 2024 - 05:42 PM, said:

From where we were in the stand it lookeda decent shout in the opening mins for the foul on Drummond.

It's probably fair to say town fans haven't a clue what a penalty is anymore.

[MrTall]

JonB, on 27 December 2024 - 05:42 PM, said:

From where we were in the stand it lookeda decent shout in the opening mins for the foul on Drummond.

They played replays of the 'contact' in the box incidents and, to me, Drummond was just too lightweight. Berry also appealed for a penalty, but he wasn't even touched until he'd had the shot and, even then, it wasn't a foul.

[h again]

I thought Berry was back to something like normal yesterday. His passing was good and and early and he was prepared to go outside his man and go for goal. His shooting was weak if we're being critical, but at least he was prepared to try his luck. There was a distinct lack of service to him second half in particular, and he needed to be brought into the game more, especially in the absence of a striker
But to have a grumble about yesterday, I would have liked to see Horton on and Jamie Grimes up front for the last 15 minutes, if only to get Fleetwood out of their comfort zone. Drummond may yet come good, but we needed a lot more physicality up front. I'd like to see the same at Bradford if the circumstances permit.

[HaslandBlue58]

clarevoyant., on 27 December 2024 - 01:26 PM, said:

Just watched the highlights and true to form, no sign of the pen claim. Do the powers that be employ some of Putins press officers to sanction what's allowed.

Conclude, a definate pen then. There also looked another good shout again on Drummond in one the melees (Wrexham would have got it)

I posted whilst in the NL that there must be a directive from the FA/Refs.body that anything that brings the officials into controversy or disrepute cannot be shown in the highlights, which I suppose explains the short length of most editing (unless you are the Soilyhulls or Boreham Woods of this world then highlights will be in short supply).

[Toddhopper.]

h again, on 27 December 2024 - 07:39 PM, said:

I thought Berry was back to something like normal yesterday. His passing was good and and early and he was prepared to go outside his man and go for goal. His shooting was weak if we're being critical, but at least he was prepared to try his luck. There was a distinct lack of service to him second half in particular, and he needed to be brought into the game more, especially in the absence of a striker
But to have a grumble about yesterday, I would have liked to see Horton on and Jamie Grimes up front for the last 15 minutes, if only to get Fleetwood out of their comfort zone. Drummond may yet come good, but we needed a lot more physicality up front. I'd like to see the same at Bradford if the circumstances permit.

Berry is fast becoming the target of choice for those who always have to have someone to hate. Supporter isn't the correct name for these people.

[rodney]

Toddhopper., on 27 December 2024 - 08:44 PM, said:

Berry is fast becoming the target of choice for those who always have to have someone to hate. Supporter isn't the correct name for these people.

Are you suggesting no one can criticise a player without you putting them in the non supportive category? Or does this only apply to those who have to have someone to hate?

[dtp]

rodney, on 27 December 2024 - 09:22 PM, said:

Are you suggesting no one can criticise a player without you putting them in the non supportive category? Or does this only apply to those who have to have someone to hate?

I have always thought that shouting abuse at players during a game does not amount to support. Encouragement is support.

Discussion after a game about performances is a different matter because we will all have opinions.

For what it is worth, from the highlights I have seen, Berry looked ok and I do wonder if he performs better away from home. Could this be because of the home fans getting on his back?

[rodney]

dtp, on 27 December 2024 - 10:24 PM, said:

I have always thought that shouting abuse at players during a game does not amount to support. Encouragement is support.

Discussion after a game about performances is a different matter because we will all have opinions.

For what it is worth, from the highlights I have seen, Berry looked ok and I do wonder if he performs better away from home. Could this be because of the home fans getting on his back?

Totally agree with the support during the game and discussion afterwards