[fishini]

Now I know not all Americans are stupid, but the stupid ones take stupidity to an entirely different level. We were in Hardwick Hall yesterday and there was an American couple. The man asked the NT lady when the Hall was built to which she replied, the 15th century. Wow said the American, I didn't realize they had electricity back then. Before the lady recovered he went on to comment on how good the Hall looked dressed up for Christmas and did they dress it up for The 4th of July and Thanksgiving.

[clarevoyant.]

fishini, on 29 November 2024 - 09:03 AM, said:

Now I know not all Americans are stupid, but the stupid ones take stupidity to an entirely different level. We were in Hardwick Hall yesterday and there was an American couple. The man asked the NT lady when the Hall was built to which she replied, the 15th century. Wow said the American, I didn't realize they had electricity back then. Before the lady recovered he went on to comment on how good the Hall looked dressed up for Christmas and did they dress it up for The 4th of July and Thanksgiving.

There's that golden oldy of American tourists walking around Hardwick and extolling it's beauty, when one of them couldn't understand why it was built so "close to the freeway".

This one took some beating, whilst sat looking at the Tower of Pisa a very elderly but generalesque chap and probably his middle aged (snobbish) daughter sat within earshot (no they weren't in Turin) of us. After 5 minutes study the lass (showing concern for the chaps age stated "there looks like there will be a lot of steps, do you book a time slot for the elevator?"

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[Valley Blues]

Not American related but continuing the theme of stupid comments, I watched most of the thoroughly enjoyable Spurs v Roma game last night with Glenn Hoddle on co-commentary.

He?s always good for a stupid comment.

I distinctly remember from years gone by his observation that a player was constantly being caught in a semi-offside position and the one where the goalmouth scramble led to a goal and Glenn agreed as the ball almost entirely crossed the line.

Last nights offering was his expert opinion that in a tight game a goal can have a big impact on the result.

Poor old Adam Summerton sat alongside him ( who I think is a very good commentator but unfortunately reminds me of our NL BT days ) has put hours of work and research into the game and two teams and he?s got Glenn trotting out stuff like this constantly.

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clarevoyant., on 29 November 2024 - 09:23 AM, said:

There's that golden oldy of American tourists walking around Hardwick and extolling it's beauty, when one of them couldn't understand why it was built so "close to the freeway".

This one took some beating, whilst sat looking at the Tower of Pisa a very elderly but generalesque chap and probably his middle aged (snobbish) daughter sat within earshot (no they weren't in Turin) of us. After 5 minutes study the lass (showing concern for the chaps age stated "there looks like there will be a lot of steps, do you book a time slot for the elevator?"

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[fishini]

Heard another gem yesterday in Costa. Two Americans talking about where they are due to visit. When the man said he was surprised how many places are named after American ones. America has little history. I have bird poo on my outbuildings with more history than America

[Mr Mercury]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 10:39 AM, said:

Heard another gem yesterday in Costa. Two Americans talking about where they are due to visit. When the man said he was surprised how many places are named after American ones. America has little history. I have bird poo on my outbuildings with more history than America

I?d imagine America has a vast and varied history, just not well documented.
Anyhow just to add our own little tale to this. We had our honeymoon in Las Vegas and we?re playing on the wheel of fortune one quiet night and we got talking to the croupier, an elderly chap who wasnt quick enough to deal the cards anymore, hence on spin the wheel. He obviously picked up we were English and asked where we?re from, told him Chesterfield Derbyshire. He?d not heard of the place but asked if it was near Stoke, told him approx 40 miles away, a hop skip and a jump in the US. He said Ah the bloke dealing at that table there is from Stoke, go and say hi, you might know him!

[Westbars Spireite]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 10:39 AM, said:

Heard another gem yesterday in Costa. Two Americans talking about where they are due to visit. When the man said he was surprised how many places are named after American ones. America has little history. I have bird poo on my outbuildings with more history than America

That's not really the case. But Yanks are generally ignorant of anything beyond their boundaries (and plenty within it).

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 10:39 AM, said:

Heard another gem yesterday in Costa. Two Americans talking about where they are due to visit. When the man said he was surprised how many places are named after American ones. America has little history. I have bird poo on my outbuildings with more history than America

The continents of America have an ancient and extremely deep cultural history.

There were sophisticated civilisations there while our ancestors were still clad in animal skins.

However Europeans conquered those peoples, subjugated or slaughtered them and rendered their rich heritage as little more than a novelty tourist attraction.

Let's not confuse that history with the relatively recent one associated with the modern residents...

[fishini]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 21 December 2024 - 11:08 AM, said:

The continents of America have an ancient and extremely deep cultural history.

There were sophisticated civilisations there while our ancestors were still clad in animal skins.

However Europeans conquered those peoples, subjugated or slaughtered them and rendered their rich heritage as little more than a novelty tourist attraction.

Let's not confuse that history with the relatively recent one associated with the modern residents...

I realise that and you can say that about every nation. Ours included. Don't forget our animal skin clad ancestors built Stonehenge millennia before the pyramids. You knew exactly what I meant. No need to be padentic

[calvin plummers socks]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 01:18 PM, said:

I realise that and you can say that about every nation. Ours included. Don't forget our animal skin clad ancestors built Stonehenge millennia before the pyramids. You knew exactly what I meant. No need to be padentic

Pedantic

[Misnomer]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 21 December 2024 - 11:08 AM, said:

The continents of America have an ancient and extremely deep cultural history.

There were sophisticated civilisations there while our ancestors were still clad in animal skins.

However Europeans conquered those peoples, subjugated or slaughtered them and rendered their rich heritage as little more than a novelty tourist attraction.

Let's not confuse that history with the relatively recent one associated with the modern residents...

As far as I was aware, it was various European diseases like smallpox, that wiped out most of the indigenous (sorry, Johnny) populations; followed by alliances with enemy tribes/natives.

Could be wrong....

[fishini]

 calvin plummers socks, on 21 December 2024 - 01:39 PM, said:

Pedantic

Only one error for a dyslexic except where the spelling constable is watching is not bad

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[calvin plummers socks]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 05:55 PM, said:

Only one error for a dyslexic except where the spelling constable is watching is not bad

(Sent in jest) 🙌🏽

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 fishini, on 21 December 2024 - 01:18 PM, said:

I realise that and you can say that about every nation. Ours included. Don't forget our animal skin clad ancestors built Stonehenge millennia before the pyramids. You knew exactly what I meant. No need to be padentic

Yup, no insult intended, Les.

Simply wanting to amplify your point...

 Misnomer, on 21 December 2024 - 01:43 PM, said:

As far as I was aware, it was various European diseases like smallpox, that wiped out most of the indigenous (sorry, Johnny) populations; followed by alliances with enemy tribes/natives.

Could be wrong....

Fair point.

A combination of both unintentional and intentional genocide...

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 21 December 2024 - 11:08 AM, said:

The continents of America have an ancient and extremely deep cultural history.

There were sophisticated civilisations there while our ancestors were still clad in animal skins.

However Europeans conquered those peoples, subjugated or slaughtered them and rendered their rich heritage as little more than a novelty tourist attraction.

Let's not confuse that history with the relatively recent one associated with the modern residents...

Your right, but the americas have 2 phases of history dont they pre and post Columbus


Prior to that the mid amd South American culture had some of the most skilled metal workers of the medieval period for sure.


There were 4 story buildings in North America.


Then there is post Columbus - and the America we know today. An insularity culture that doesn?t understand the outside world.


Baseball - only the North American people play it - but it?s the WORLD SERIES


Winners of the Super Bowl - again no one outside North America plays the sport but the winner is WORLD CHAMPIONS


Unfortunately people only focus on the post Columbus period. I read once that a combination of disease and war wiped out 95 per cent of the north American plains Indians. With no one left to tell the story, and the victor always writes the narrative don?t they at the start of modern cinema, coinciding with stuff like buffalo bills tours then the story is what it is

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[Misnomer]

 Wooden Spoon, on 27 December 2024 - 02:17 AM, said:

Your right, but the americas have 2 phases of history dont they pre and post Columbus


Prior to that the mid amd South American culture had some of the most skilled metal workers of the medieval period for sure.


There were 4 story buildings in North America.


Then there is post Columbus - and the America we know today. An insularity culture that doesn?t understand the outside world.


Baseball - only the North American people play it - but it?s the WORLD SERIES


Winners of the Super Bowl - again no one outside North America plays the sport but the winner is WORLD CHAMPIONS


Unfortunately people only focus on the post Columbus period. I read once that a combination of disease and war wiped out 95 per cent of the north American plains Indians. With no one left to tell the story, and the victor always writes the narrative don?t they at the start of modern cinema, coinciding with stuff like buffalo bills tours then the story is what it is

I've always been interested in America, pre Columbus, and the indigenous populations.

It's an intricate web of multiple tribes/populations (just like Africa), all vying for control, the means of which, meant they'd slaughter the men and women (or enslave), kidnap babies to raise as their own (to expand their population) and steal anything of value.

The Comanche were the worst of the worst (or the best); feared and brutal. Some tribes respected each other, others didn't. The Comanche would go as far south as Mexico and beyond, to raid and commit B****Y murder. I'd guess, if the native Indian tribes would have had the technology of the invading Europeans, it might have been a different story....for a while, until someone else turned up.

We also know the Vikings made it to North America, colonised parts of it, along with Greenland, about 1'000 years ago. There is evidence they made it as far as Minnesota and even Oklahoma, where they would have met indigenous native Americans. There are conflicting stories of peaceful trading and fierce battles.

Does anyone have a problem with Viking history? Let's face it, the Vikings were explorers, but also ruthless - invading armies, slaughtering, raping, pillaging, conquering and subjugating, bringing diseases and non native animal species; it's no different to what the Europeans did in the North Americas, some five hundred years later.

It's funny to see peoples' perspectives on history.... especially, if it suits a narrative.

[fishini]

 Misnomer, on 27 December 2024 - 10:44 AM, said:

I've always been interested in America, pre Columbus, and the indigenous populations.

It's an intricate web of multiple tribes/populations (just like Africa), all vying for control, the means of which, meant they'd slaughter the men and women (or enslave), kidnap babies to raise as their own (to expand their population) and steal anything of value.

The Comanche were the worst of the worst (or the best); feared and brutal. Some tribes respected each other, others didn't. The Comanche would go as far south as Mexico and beyond, to raid and commit B****Y murder. I'd guess, if the native Indian tribes would have had the technology of the invading Europeans, it might have been a different story....for a while, until someone else turned up.

We also know the Vikings made it to North America, colonised parts of it, along with Greenland, about 1'000 years ago. There is evidence they made it as far as Minnesota and even Oklahoma, where they would have met indigenous native Americans. There are conflicting stories of peaceful trading and fierce battles.

Does anyone have a problem with Viking history? Let's face it, the Vikings were explorers, but also ruthless - invading armies, slaughtering, raping, pillaging, conquering and subjugating, bringing diseases and non native animal species; it's no different to what the Europeans did in the North Americas, some five hundred years later.

It's funny to see peoples' perspectives on history.... especially, if it suits a narrative.

Just a question. Did the north American tribes have a written language?

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[Misnomer]

 fishini, on 27 December 2024 - 11:53 AM, said:

Just a question. Did the north American tribes have a written language?

I think their system was similar to the Egyptian glyphs, but I can't be certain without looking into it.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Vikings - Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Baltics - Europeans.

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[Misnomer]

 Johnnyspireite7, on 27 December 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

Vikings - Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Baltics - Europeans.

I'm impressed 👏🏼