[Zigsuk]

azul, on 21 December 2024 - 11:21 PM, said:

Subbing him would have been total madness

Personally I do think he has a high opinion of himself possibly elevated by all the adulation he has received previously, possibly from the same folk who are lumping on him now.

He can be frustrating in his movement but he may be working under instructions and he certainly likes to receive the ball deeper in front of his defender and cut inside. That is where most of his success has come since he has been here. If he charged forward every time some nob told him to he'd be offside 10 times a game. If there is a criticism that I'd lay at his feet is that he is a bit of a one tick pony and he needs to expand his game.

Also noting that when discussing his lack of commitment, nobody has mentioned a great late block after the winger had skinned our fullback

Regarding Berry being a one trick pony he certainly doesn?t seem to have Colclough?s range of trickery although he?s probably faster. Scored some outstanding goals but at present would take Coco, Dobra and Markanday over him any day. However lt looks like with Coco injured he?s going to have to start. Really hope he can get a couple more spectacular goals which will help both the team and his convidence.

[BlueRodneyFern]

HaslandBlue58, on 21 December 2024 - 10:21 PM, said:

I posted earlier on another thread that if they actually followed the rule book for the basics and gave out cards early doors for fouls that deserved it, the harder decisions would become easier and hopefully result in a drop in abuse.
Regarding todays official I thought he was very selective,as is the norm for us, regarding levels of fouls, their number 39 took Banks out about four times in the first half and not in a subtle way yet a full bodied tackle by Banks gets a card.They were looking for a penalty first half and the last 15 kept conning free kicks out of the ref.
Are the officials really so gullible or do they choose to be?

It took 14 fouls before he got his card out and booked Hutchinson and within those fouls were some crude lunges on Dobs Banks and Colclough as he let them dictate the game

[Surrey Spireite]

Living down south and see Town only once in a blue moon normally, but up here due to a family loss.

We were excellent in the first half, and backs to wall in the second. The wombles had clearly got a rocket, and their subs made a lot of difference for me.

Now Berry.......

In the second half there were numerous occasions early on when he was absolutely free for the ball to be pinged over from the opposite side to him, and it wasn't.

It seems to me that after several occasions of this, he let his head drop.

It strikes me that he is a confidence player, and needs to be involved. That said, he could have run into the middle of the park more.

[Blue5]

BlueRodneyFern, on 22 December 2024 - 08:27 AM, said:

It took 14 fouls before he got his card out and booked Hutchinson and within those fouls were some crude lunges on Dobs Banks and Colclough as he let them dictate the game

The fourth official was asked if the ref needed to borrow a pen which raised a few laughs!

[Nickycw]

To chuck in my two cents?Shecks may not be a marauding full back, but no surprise to me we?re keeping clean sheets with him back.

Re Berry, he seems to get really discouraged if he doesn?t beat his man the first couple of times. Even if he does, he rarely sustains it beyond 20/25 mins, which in turn has made him such a great impact sub. He?s a real enigma. Unless a move has already been agreed, he?s playing himself out of one. You?d think scouts will notice the effort levels

This post has been edited by Nickycw: 22 December 2024 - 09:04 AM

[dtp]

rodney, on 21 December 2024 - 11:02 PM, said:

Totally agree he will be important for us. Hopefully for all of the season. But there?s are obvious reasons Cook doesn?t start him and the crowd get on his back as folks have commented on from the East stand.

The leading coaches in the East Stand shouted advice to Berry once to go inside to mark one of their men then immediately berated him for leaving their man on the touch line unmarked. Now I know we expect a lot from our players but I think we need to accept that not a single one of them can be in two places at the same time.

[dart in the crossbar]

60s 70s Spireite, on 22 December 2024 - 06:48 AM, said:

He beat his man in the first half and clipped in an excellent cross a la Watford. Presumably the management would point to the no goals conceded column as regards his lack of forward sorties.

We've got some talented footballers in the squad. Berry is one of several.

I get that Berry will lose the ball and so on. That's not a problem. What is becoming a problem is what he does when he loses it. Dobra and Markanday were like wasps yesterday when they lost the ball or wanted to get the ball. They harried the opposition. More often that not Berry just didn't do that.

Berry will get pelters if the crowd see what looks like a lack of effort when he hasn't got the ball. He won't get pelters for making mistakes, losing the ball, missing the target and so on.

As to whether or not he's showing enough to get the ball I'm not sure. I've certainly seen a lot worse. I've also got some sympathy for him and our left backs as the side has changed so much due to injuries. The alleged lack of showing for the ball isn't the main thing for me.

[dim view]

Mr Mercury, on 21 December 2024 - 09:26 PM, said:

If that?s the case, re his attitude, and I?m not sure it is, then let him go.
Personally I?d take ?750k for him now.

Can you articulate exactly what this 'attitude' behaviour is?

I saw him let a ball go under his foot, a couple of off the ball runs when he didn't get the ball, a couple of misplaced passes, and a shot from an acute angle that he could perhaps have passed to Dobra. That's it. A day in the life of a L2 pro.

[Mr Mercury]

dim view, on 22 December 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

Can you articulate exactly what this 'attitude' behaviour is?

I saw him let a ball go under his foot, a couple of off the ball runs when he didn't get the ball, a couple of misplaced passes, and a shot from an acute angle that he could perhaps have passed to Dobra. That's it. A day in the life of a L2 pro.

Tbh I was replying to a post which implied he knew a move in January was on the cards therefore he was was just going through the motions so as not to jeopardise it, injury wise I’d assume the post implied. I don?t think that?s the case, I think he?s an excellent footballer and would love him to stay, but I don?t quite get the major hype about him that seemed to go on a few weeks ago. Again if somebody offered ?750k I?d have no complaint s if we sold him. Every player at our level has a price and I?d accept that for Berry, that?s not a slur on him as a player it?s just a figure I?d be happy with.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 22 December 2024 - 09:46 AM

[dim view]

Mr Mercury, on 22 December 2024 - 09:45 AM, said:

Tbh I was replying to a post which implied he knew a move in January was on the cards therefore he was was just going through the motions so as not to jeopardise it, injury wise I?d assume the post implied. I don?t think that?s the case, I think he?s an excellent footballer and would love him to stay, but I don?t quite get the major hype about him that seemed to go on a few weeks ago. Again if somebody offered ?750k I?d have no complaint s if we sold him. Every player at our level has a price and I?d accept that for Berry, that?s not a slur on him as a player it?s just a figure I?d be happy with.

OK, sorry.
Can somebody who says he's got an attitude problem articulate what they saw?

[Mr Mercury]

Just a small aside from yesterday, both teams played in white shorts. I?d assumed, probably incorrectly, that teams couldn?t play in shirts that obviously clashed but also had to have different coloured shorts.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 22 December 2024 - 10:01 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 22 December 2024 - 09:24 AM, said:

The leading coaches in the East Stand shouted advice to Berry once to go inside to mark one of their men then immediately berated him for leaving their man on the touch line unmarked. Now I know we expect a lot from our players but I think we need to accept that not a single one of them can be in two places at the same time.

Thats the point I am making about the Berry shouts. Of all the players on the field, hes the one nearest to the stands, as a consequence of his hogging the touchline- so likely to hear such nonsense.

dart in the crossbar, on 22 December 2024 - 09:29 AM, said:

We've got some talented footballers in the squad. Berry is one of several.

I get that Berry will lose the ball and so on. That's not a problem. What is becoming a problem is what he does when he loses it. Dobra and Markanday were like wasps yesterday when they lost the ball or wanted to get the ball. They harried the opposition. More often that not Berry just didn't do that.

Berry will get pelters if the crowd see what looks like a lack of effort when he hasn't got the ball. He won't get pelters for making mistakes, losing the ball, missing the target and so on.

As to whether or not he's showing enough to get the ball I'm not sure. I've certainly seen a lot worse. I've also got some sympathy for him and our left backs as the side has changed so much due to injuries. The alleged lack of showing for the ball isn't the main thing for me.

Fair enough. Although my post here was about Shecks.

[Exharboroughspireite]

I don?t think it?s complicated with berry. Lose the ball - bust a gut to get it back. If you don?t, the crowd are going to notice. Simples.

[Chesterfield247]

Mr Mercury, on 22 December 2024 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just a small aside from yesterday, both teams played in white shorts. I?d assumed, probably incorrectly, that teams couldn?t play in shirts that obviously clashed but also had to have different coloured shorts.

I thought that was the rule too and assumed that was also why we hardly ever wear the home keepers kit because the shorts either clash with our own,or if we're in all blue it's usually because the oppo have white and then still can't use it. But I have seen a few exceptions to this so I dunno what the regs are on it anymore

[clarevoyant.]

Mr Mercury, on 22 December 2024 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just a small aside from yesterday, both teams played in white shorts. I?d assumed, probably incorrectly, that teams couldn?t play in shirts that obviously clashed but also had to have different coloured shorts.

Just another innocuous slip but could be vital, eg 2 players challenging on the goalline is it a goalkick or corner? Well it came of the boot with a white sock ermmm corner then. Officials let things go (keepers shirts similar to opposition shirts) but let a sub try to come on with undershorts a slightly different shade to the main shorts the 4th official will have a field day.

[HaslandBlue58]

Mr Mercury, on 22 December 2024 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just a small aside from yesterday, both teams played in white shorts. I?d assumed, probably incorrectly, that teams couldn?t play in shirts that obviously clashed but also had to have different coloured shorts.

I think it is just another example of the officials not following the basic rules,as I keep boringly repeating on here.

[clarevoyant.]

BlueRodneyFern, on 22 December 2024 - 08:27 AM, said:

It took 14 fouls before he got his card out and booked Hutchinson and within those fouls were some crude lunges on Dobs Banks and Colclough as he let them dictate the game

You was counting as well.
They'd done their homework on the ref and sussed he didn't like cautioning earlier. They knew what they were doing, leaving their foot in and knowing at what level to foul. He wasn't reading their tactics, fortunately they didn't inflict any telling knocks.

It was fortunate we got the early goal because it if had been the other way round I got the impression that Wimbledon would have brought a soilyhull level of cynicism to the game. Our eary goal in effect made the game easier for the ref.

I was shocked, stunned and pleased when they only added 3 minutes (9subs) we finally got one our way. Why they don't add the proper time though? must be an outside influence.

Nice to have a bit of luck let's hope it continues for a couple of seasons to even out.

[Goku]

clarevoyant., on 22 December 2024 - 11:38 AM, said:

You was counting as well.
They'd done their homework on the ref and sussed he didn't like cautioning earlier. They knew what they were doing, leaving their foot in and knowing at what level to foul. He wasn't reading their tactics, fortunately they didn't inflict any telling knocks.

It was fortunate we got the early goal because it if had been the other way round I got the impression that Wimbledon would have brought a soilyhull level of cynicism to the game. Our eary goal in effect made the game easier for the ref.

I was shocked, stunned and pleased when they only added 3 minutes (9subs) we finally got one our way. Why they don't add the proper time though? must be an outside influence.

Nice to have a bit of luck let's hope it continues for a couple of seasons to even out.

We responded in kind to be fair - the Banks and Horton tackles were cynical. I liked it, if you can?t beat em?

[h again]

dim view, on 22 December 2024 - 09:49 AM, said:

OK, sorry.
Can somebody who says he's got an attitude problem articulate what they saw?

To be fair to Berry, he's playing alongside two players, Dobra and Markanday, who refuse to let the ball be taken off them, and will bust a gut to get it back if that happens. Berry doesn't do that, or anything near it. As regards his attitude, only he can tell us, but with his speed he should be tackling back a lot more effectively. Whether it's due to lack of fitness, lack of football brain, laziness, or attitude who can say, but a football crowd only sees it as not trying, and that's the wort offence in the book, for better or worse.
Personally I'm really surprised he doesn't put more effort in, because his enthusiasm when he arrived was there for all to see.