[danblue]

JonB, on 06 December 2024 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm still of the thinking that by virtue of the dates\his birthday etc Hobson counts as an Under 21. Pretty sure that once you're part of the named squad you cant move around between lists so we couldnt move Cook from one to another.

If Cook jr was named in the main squad but qualified for U21 - well, that's just one hell of a major f-up

[azul]

JonB, on 06 December 2024 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm still of the thinking that by virtue of the dates\his birthday etc Hobson counts as an Under 21. Pretty sure that once you're part of the named squad you cant move around between lists so we couldnt move Cook from one to another.

Well unless being 21 counts as being U21 I don't see it unless the various databases have his date of birth wrong or footballers are treated like racehorse ages.

Agree about removing names from the list - it would render the squad lists pointless.

[azul]

danblue, on 06 December 2024 - 12:40 PM, said:

If Cook jr was named in the main squad but qualified for U21 - well, that's just one hell of a major f-up

Read further up - the DT said it was deliberate because we have to include one home produced player in the main list or we can only name 6 subs. Must admit that rule escaped me.

[60s 70s Spireite]

JonB, on 06 December 2024 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm still of the thinking that by virtue of the dates\his birthday etc Hobson counts as an Under 21. Pretty sure that once you're part of the named squad you cant move around between lists so we couldnt move Cook from one to another.

Quote from EFL
The definition of 'Under 21' this season is very simply defined as 'any player born on or after January 1 2004'.
Wiki and Transfermarkt have him born on 1 August 2002- well too old.

[JonB]

azul, on 06 December 2024 - 01:00 PM, said:

Read further up - the DT said it was deliberate because we have to include one home produced player in the main list or we can only name 6 subs. Must admit that rule escaped me.

Apparently its something done by many clubs as well as ourselves to ensure you can name the maximum number of subs.

[dtp]

azul, on 06 December 2024 - 01:00 PM, said:

Read further up - the DT said it was deliberate because we have to include one home produced player in the main list or we can only name 6 subs. Must admit that rule escaped me.

What is the exact definition of a home produced player?

I had read it previously when the original squad list was published but did not realise that we had room to add the 3 of Sheckleford, Horton and Hobson.

Is it possible that with Akinola going out on a season long loan we were able to drop his name from the squad list?

[spireitetoo]

60s 70s Spireite, on 05 December 2024 - 10:00 PM, said:

Hobson was over 21 at the cut off date.
Only thing I can think is can we move Connor Cook to the under 21s, leaving a gap in the older group?

Wasn't hobson in the initial squad?

This post has been edited by spireitetoo: 06 December 2024 - 01:47 PM

[JonB]

spireitetoo, on 06 December 2024 - 01:47 PM, said:

Wasn't hobson in the initial squad?

He featured prior to the squad having to be confirmed so he could have been on it then taken off again.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 06 December 2024 - 01:41 PM, said:

What is the exact definition of a home produced player?

I had read it previously when the original squad list was published but did not realise that we had room to add the 3 of Sheckleford, Horton and Hobson.

Is it possible that with Akinola going out on a season long loan we were able to drop his name from the squad list?

Akinola was never on the list.
Home grown players is a proper conundrum.
Quote
A home grown player means a player, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the FA of Wales FA, for a period continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months before his 21st birthday.or the season during which he turns 21.

So, why isnt that virtually any player on our books- they all surely will have been registered with a FA affiliated club for three years before the age of 21. It doesnt say it must be the current club.

[danblue]

azul, on 06 December 2024 - 01:00 PM, said:

Read further up - the DT said it was deliberate because we have to include one home produced player in the main list or we can only name 6 subs. Must admit that rule escaped me.

Ah fair enough - so much complicated red tape for kicking a bag of wind about!

[60s 70s Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 December 2024 - 01:54 PM, said:

Akinola was never on the list.
Home grown players is a proper conundrum.
Quote
A home grown player means a player, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the FA of Wales FA, for a period continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months before his 21st birthday.or the season during which he turns 21.

So, why isnt that virtually any player on our books- they all surely will have been registered with a FA affiliated club for three years before the age of 21. It doesnt say it must be the current club.

Thinking about it it perhaps means the player must have been with at least one club for a period of 36 continuous months before his 21st birthday

[60s 70s Spireite]

Per DT Hobson is in the squad tomorrow. How so?

[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 December 2024 - 02:21 PM, said:

Per DT Hobson is in the squad tomorrow. How so?

Let's hope we don't come a 'Cropper' again.

I'll get my coat

[60s 70s Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 06 December 2024 - 02:39 PM, said:

Let's hope we don't come a 'Cropper' again.

I'll get my coat

Is that when PT had to intervene just before the start of a game as we had named too many loanees in the match day squad?

[Spireite93]

I presume Akinola is out injured again?

The only explanation regarding the squad is that Cook was included to satisfy the home grown rule, but there is a caveat that under 21 players can be removed to make space if necessary but we suffer the penalty of one less sub?

If we name 7 subs tomorrow then no clue but hope we've checked we have clearance for all the players we field

This post has been edited by Spireite93: 06 December 2024 - 03:03 PM

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 December 2024 - 02:21 PM, said:

Per DT Hobson is in the squad tomorrow. How so?

This from the EFL Handbook

Changes outside of a Transfer Window

The League will only consider granting permission to make changes to the Squad List outside of a Transfer Window where:

? the Club?s current Squad List contains less than the maximum number of Players permitted to be included on the Squad List and the Club wishes to add an Out of Registration Player or another Player registered with the Club but not currently included on the Squad List, or;

? in other truly exceptional circumstances to include but not be limited to those set out in the note from EFL Player Admin found on the EFL Portal

So perhaps we have pleaded truly exceptional circumstances

[60s 70s Spireite]

Spireite93, on 06 December 2024 - 03:01 PM, said:

I presume Akinola is out injured again?

The only explanation regarding the squad is that Cook was included to satisfy the home grown rule, but there is a caveat that under 21 players can be removed to make space if necessary but we suffer the penalty of one less sub?

If we name 7 subs tomorrow then no clue but hope we've checked we have clearance for all the players we field

Thats my current suitable explanation. Subject to change?..

[azul]

Spireite93, on 06 December 2024 - 03:01 PM, said:

I presume Akinola is out injured again?

The only explanation regarding the squad is that Cook was included to satisfy the home grown rule, but there is a caveat that under 21 players can be removed to make space if necessary but we suffer the penalty of one less sub?

If we name 7 subs tomorrow then no clue but hope we've checked we have clearance for all the players we field

Think people are confusing 'home grown' with 'club developed'

We need 8 'home grown' we easily qualify and one 'club developed' and Connor Cook is our one

[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 December 2024 - 02:59 PM, said:

Is that when PT had to intervene just before the start of a game as we had named too many loanees in the match day squad?

I was referring to the Stockport cup match when it transpired that Cropper hadn't been registered for the cup even though he'd been playing in the league. There was debate at the time of how was it picked up by the authorities.

[clarevoyant.]

azul, on 06 December 2024 - 03:05 PM, said:

This from the EFL Handbook

Changes outside of a Transfer Window

The League will only consider granting permission to make changes to the Squad List outside of a Transfer Window where:

? the Club?s current Squad List contains less than the maximum number of Players permitted to be included on the Squad List and the Club wishes to add an Out of Registration Player or another Player registered with the Club but not currently included on the Squad List, or;

? in other truly exceptional circumstances to include but not be limited to those set out in the note from EFL Player Admin found on the EFL Portal

So perhaps we have pleaded truly exceptional circumstances

Perhaps it's an appeasement for clogging our mail box with letters of apology