[Benno Spire]

Just reading that there could be a potential rule change brought in where if a goalkeeper holds the ball too long the ref will award the opposition a corner but have not defined a time limit but possibly 8 seconds, to be effective there needs to be a time allocated to ensure consistency.
This won?t happen but would love a rule where a ref asks a player who goes down if they need the trainer, if they say no they play on and leave the player on the floor

[dim view]

Benno Spire, on 05 December 2024 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just reading that there could be a potential rule change brought in where if a goalkeeper holds the ball too long the ref will award the opposition a corner but have not defined a time limit but possibly 8 seconds, to be effective there needs to be a time allocated to ensure consistency.
This won?t happen but would love a rule where a ref asks a player who goes down if they need the trainer, if they say no they play on and leave the player on the floor

Didn't I read t'other day that Elleray, in his role as Commander in Chief of Silly Ideas, is looking for a minor league to trial a mini VAR system?. I hope Ash tells him where to stick it.

[Osborne again]

Benno Spire, on 05 December 2024 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just reading that there could be a potential rule change brought in where if a goalkeeper holds the ball too long the ref will award the opposition a corner but have not defined a time limit but possibly 8 seconds, to be effective there needs to be a time allocated to ensure consistency.
This won?t happen but would love a rule where a ref asks a player who goes down if they need the trainer, if they say no they play on and leave the player on the floor

If they sent one of the coaching staff to the stands after each time wasting episode I wonder if that would help?

[Exharboroughspireite]

Rumours are circulating that kids won?t be playing 11 a side until under 15 as the FA released a statement yesterday about changes to youth football for next year.

[philtooleycfss]

Exharboroughspireite, on 06 December 2024 - 06:02 AM, said:

Rumours are circulating that kids won?t be playing 11 a side until under 15 as the FA released a statement yesterday about changes to youth football for next year.

Think it's the Irish FA looking at this - just searched news and could only find the plan as linked to IFA

[JonB]

philtooleycfss, on 06 December 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

Think it's the Irish FA looking at this - just searched news and could only find the plan as linked to IFA

I wouldnt be against keeping the smaller games a bit longer. Daughter is only U7s currently playing 5 a side but when you are places with loads of games going off you see slightly older kids playing on pitches too big for them with too many on the pitch not seeing a lot of the ball etc and not involved.

[Valley Blues]

JonB, on 06 December 2024 - 09:44 AM, said:

I wouldnt be against keeping the smaller games a bit longer. Daughter is only U7s currently playing 5 a side but when you are places with loads of games going off you see slightly older kids playing on pitches too big for them with too many on the pitch not seeing a lot of the ball etc and not involved.

I?d agree that moving to 11v11 in u13?s is perhaps too early and remaining at 9v9 on slightly smaller pitches and nets until u15?s would possibly suit the physicality better.

Regarding your last sentence with players not seeing the ball or having much involvement, it is something you notice when they move to the bigger game format.

However, from watching junior grassroots from u7?s through to u18 and dipping in and out of senior football with my lad, I?d suggest a big part of it is players maybe not getting the right coaching in the small sided games.

This is not me digging out grassroots coaches because I?ve helped out myself and know it?s both a rewarding but equally thankless task and I take my hat off to anyone who volunteers their time.

But, the amount of players my lad has played alongside and against that looked a million dollars on the tight little pitches, taking everybody on and scoring the goals have looked completely lost when presented with a proper format.

All of a sudden they couldn?t cover all the pitch and be a one-person show but their understanding of the game was very poor.

I suppose what I?m saying is it?s not necessarily the pitch size that causes that particular issue but more the encouragement of coaches and over exuberant parents to encourage their child to play the game as an individual and not a team player and therefore not learn the game.

Back to the keeper thing. Rather than introduce a rule change, couldn?t they just tell the refs to give the keeper a clear warning on the first instance of blatant time wasting and book him if he does it again? Or am I over simplifying a rule I assumed should already be in place but never gets enforced?

[JonB]

Valley Blues, on 06 December 2024 - 10:26 AM, said:

I?d agree that moving to 11v11 in u13?s is perhaps too early and remaining at 9v9 on slightly smaller pitches and nets until u15?s would possibly suit the physicality better.

Regarding your last sentence with players not seeing the ball or having much involvement, it is something you notice when they move to the bigger game format.

However, from watching junior grassroots from u7?s through to u18 and dipping in and out of senior football with my lad, I?d suggest a big part of it is players maybe not getting the right coaching in the small sided games.

This is not me digging out grassroots coaches because I?ve helped out myself and know it?s both a rewarding but equally thankless task and I take my hat off to anyone who volunteers their time.

But, the amount of players my lad has played alongside and against that looked a million dollars on the tight little pitches, taking everybody on and scoring the goals have looked completely lost when presented with a proper format.

All of a sudden they couldn?t cover all the pitch and be a one-person show but their understanding of the game was very poor.

I suppose what I?m saying is it?s not necessarily the pitch size that causes that particular issue but more the encouragement of coaches and over exuberant parents to encourage their child to play the game as an individual and not a team player and therefore not learn the game.

Yeh its not easy and not a simple thing to sort, maybe smaller pitches and team sizes is over simplifying it a bit. We're still very much just starting out and at that stage where if there a player who is that bit bigger, faster and better they stand out massively and have a massive impact on the game. Going up to bigger pitches its very easy then to see the difference between players who have the skill, dribbling ability etc but not be as good as those who have that football brain. They stand out as they make it look simple picking the right passes, being in the right place etc.

Valley Blues, on 06 December 2024 - 10:26 AM, said:

Back to the keeper thing. Rather than introduce a rule change, couldn?t they just tell the refs to give the keeper a clear warning on the first instance of blatant time wasting and book him if he does it again? Or am I over simplifying a rule I assumed should already be in place but never gets enforced?

I saw something which suggested refs want a change as they feel the current punishment of an indirect free kick in the box is too harsh and can have a massive impact on the game if they were to give one. I can partly see it, i would also respond to them saying if they gave one in a game the keeper would soon stop taking the urine and get on with things if he knows the ref is going to give it. Its partly the same with giving keepers yellow cards for time wasting, a ref is never going to be brave enough to give a keeper two yellows for time wasting and send them off so you end up in a situation where a keeper wont get booked until quite late on or they get booked early and sort of know they can still play the time wasting game a bit as they will have to massively time waste to prompt a second yellow.

[Exharboroughspireite]

philtooleycfss, on 06 December 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

Think it's the Irish FA looking at this - just searched news and could only find the plan as linked to IFA

The FA released a somewhat vague statement about changes to 2026/27 below. I agree Phil, can?t find anything in black or white which shows numbers etc. however the Irish FA have on their roadmap published ages.




https://www.englandf...l%20experience.