[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 04 December 2024 - 05:20 PM, said:

Confirmation bias.

Literally every clubs supporters in the land feel the same way. If the manager concentrated on changing the things he's capable of controlling instead of worrying about or using as an excuse that which is outside of his control it would be a start.

We?re getting apologies from refs every other week for their mistakes, it?s not confirmation bias it?s just counting. Webb reeled off a ridiculous list of game-impacting errors we?ve received apologies for this season. We are being shafted and it?s going on record as a shafting, doesn?t get much clearer than that.

I don?t think it?s a vendetta against us. It?s just a series of shocking decisions which have unfortunately gone against us.

This post has been edited by Goku: 04 December 2024 - 06:27 PM

[clarevoyant.]

Benno Spire, on 04 December 2024 - 05:59 PM, said:

You forgot to mention the Araujo booking which was their player milking a harmless coming together and I?m told by someone watching on Tv that when they zoomed in their player was smiling as his team mate shook his hand. I think the ref saw this as he reduced the amount of fouls given from attempts by MK players to jump into Chesterfield players to buy free kicks and cards. This was also another ref more than happy to card our players and let theirs off for similar incidents. The ref also missed the chance to book their player who clearly kicked the ball away after we were awarded a free kick

I didn't want drone on to much. But another example of game mismanagement, we'd had a couple minutes flourish at the start of 2nd half they got the ball clear and one of theirs theatrically died in the centre circle, clearly designed to defuse our head of steam, stop our momentum, what did the ref do? Nowt stood over the deceased for a good minute, no thought of a hearse or medical assistance, job done as far as MKD were concerned. Very poor game management by an experienced ref.

We've had 4? blatant pens denied this season and the refs have had deserved flack, but they were spur of the moment decisions yesterday was prolonged ineptitude (not as bad as the clown v Grimsby) no wonder Mandy lost it at the end.

How many of our players shuck hands with the ref at the end?

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 04 December 2024 - 05:20 PM, said:

Confirmation bias.

Literally every clubs supporters in the land feel the same way. If the manager concentrated on changing the things he's capable of controlling instead of worrying about or using as an excuse that which is outside of his control it would be a start.



We played well with ten (relatively) because they took their foot off the gas.

[dim view]

h again, on 04 December 2024 - 12:38 PM, said:

He started the season well, but it's looking increasingly likely that he's now been sussed by L2 midfielders and the same old mistakes are cropping up, causing frustration. The same might apply to Dobra.

To be fair though, unless he made other errors not shown on highlights, he wasn't sussed in this game.

In the sending off incident he received the ball from Thompson and broke the block despite being fouled, creating the chance for Mandeville.
In the booking incident it's arguable that he broke the block but was fouled and lost the ball, before preventing their man progressing.

So, imo, on this occasion he should be criticised not for his football style but for his dissent.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 04 December 2024 - 07:10 PM, said:

To be fair though, unless he made other errors not shown on highlights, he wasn't sussed in this game.

In the sending off incident he received the ball from Thompson and broke the block despite being fouled, creating the chance for Mandeville.
In the booking incident it's arguable that he broke the block but was fouled and lost the ball, before preventing their man progressing.

So, imo, on this occasion he should be criticised not for his football style but for his dissent.

Just before the first booking, he had lazily lost possession, and more than one of us posted on here it was becoming exasperating.
What it does show, that the argument run on here, take a booking for the team, does not always end well.

[Painted Wagon]

I thought DJs first yellow was harsh, he was being manhandled to the ground. Does anyone know what was said for the second?

[Walton Spireite]

Painted Wagon, on 04 December 2024 - 08:14 PM, said:

I thought DJs first yellow was harsh, he was being manhandled to the ground. Does anyone know what was said for the second?

He probably called the ref an old c##t

[Mr Mercury]

Painted Wagon, on 04 December 2024 - 08:14 PM, said:

I thought DJs first yellow was harsh, he was being manhandled to the ground. Does anyone know what was said for the second?

That yellow was a travesty tbh

[SocraticCFC]

Mr Mercury, on 04 December 2024 - 08:17 PM, said:

That yellow was a travesty tbh

When I look at last year's refereeing, this years are....worse!!

[60s 70s Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 04 December 2024 - 08:17 PM, said:

That yellow was a travesty tbh

Having seen it again, I now can agree it was indeed harsh. Another example of the outright shove, push in the back being no longer deemed a foul, whereas trying to get up off the floor and recover the ball is one.
I still say he was slow to move the ball having received it in yards of space.

[clarevoyant.]

The first booking was very strange he must have seen the 2 handed push on DJ. It seems to be customs and practice not to caution to early if it can be "got away with" to save setting a trend. Why did he stray from the don't caution philosophy? a very unnecessary and costly caution.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 04 December 2024 - 10:35 PM

[dim view]

clarevoyant., on 04 December 2024 - 10:26 PM, said:

The first booking was very strange he must have seen the 2 handed push on DJ. It seems to be customs and practice not to caution to early if it can be "got away with" to save setting a trend. Why did he buck the trend a very unnecessary and costly caution.

Evening.
I think I heard on't wireless that Phil T is spending an hour in the company of a top ref for Friday night's Weekend Warm Up. Perhaps he will invite supporters to write in with questions.
If he's reading, mine is 'Why don't ref's invoke the 6 second rule on goalies? My understanding is that it's a law of the game. How would it be if other laws were ignored with the same panache?

[clarevoyant.]

dim view, on 04 December 2024 - 10:39 PM, said:

Evening.
I think I heard on't wireless that Phil T is spending an hour in the company of a top ref for Friday night's Weekend Warm Up. Perhaps he will invite supporters to write in with questions.
If he's reading, mine is 'Why don't ref's invoke the 6 second rule on goalies? My understanding is that it's a law of the game. How would it be if other laws were ignored with the same panache?

An hour is not very long, probably wouldn't scratch the surface. Who'll be keeping track of the time?

[dtp]

Painted Wagon, on 04 December 2024 - 08:14 PM, said:

I thought DJs first yellow was harsh, he was being manhandled to the ground. Does anyone know what was said for the second?

Must admit when I watched this on the highlights I thought that a foul should have been awarded to us not them and certainly not a booking for the man being fouled.

The second card was probably a booking depending on what was said but if only the captain can actually speak to a ref does that mean a player can be booked for asking the ref if he is alright after a collision or something?

[dtp]

clarevoyant., on 04 December 2024 - 10:26 PM, said:

The first booking was very strange he must have seen the 2 handed push on DJ. It seems to be customs and practice not to caution to early if it can be "got away with" to save setting a trend. Why did he stray from the don't caution philosophy? a very unnecessary and costly caution.

It looked to be right in front of the 4th official too who must have seen the foul on DJ. Strange that they can spot something from a 100 yards and interfere yet are incapable from 10.

[Rodney's Moustache]

100% The booking was a foul on DJ very poor officiating and if the ref sees it back in the replay he should be embarrassed.

[Goku]

Rodney, on 05 December 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

100% The booking was a foul on DJ very poor officiating and if the ref sees it back in the replay he should be embarrassed.

Maybe we'll get another apology, and maybe we can trade this plethora of apologies in for some points?

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 06:22 PM, said:

We?re getting apologies from refs every other week for their mistakes, it?s not confirmation bias it?s just counting. Webb reeled off a ridiculous list of game-impacting errors we?ve received apologies for this season. We are being shafted and it?s going on record as a shafting, doesn?t get much clearer than that.

I don?t think it?s a vendetta against us. It?s just a series of shocking decisions which have unfortunately gone against us.

I'm not saying it doesn't have an impact.

But I think we're struggling for a number of reasons. Our home record is poor. That's not just down to refereeing. Our squad is unbalanced. That's not down to refereeing. Tactically we are predictable to the point where other managers openly state we're easy to play against/shut down. We look very lightweight in terms of physicality in almost every position. And team choices in a lot of cases have been poor.

The decisions you mention are so determining a factor in games because we're not really putting tems to bed when we're on top.

Injuries and poor decisions have had an effect, they do for all teams, but we need the management team to focus on what they can change. Rightly or wrongly, I imagine referees don't feel inclined to give teams whose managers stand on the touchline screaming at them most of the game and getting carded the rub of the green. So cutting that out might be an idea.

That said, I still think if we have a good window, and get on some sort of a run we can make play offs or better. Our style relies on confidence, and we're short on that at present.

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 05 December 2024 - 11:49 AM

[dtp]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 05 December 2024 - 11:47 AM, said:

I'm not saying it doesn't have an impact.

But I think we're struggling for a number of reasons. Our home record is poor. That's not just down to refereeing. Our squad is unbalanced. That's not down to refereeing. Tactically we are predictable to the point where other managers openly state we're easy to play against/shut down. We look very lightweight in terms of physicality in almost every position. And team choices in a lot of cases have been poor.

The decisions you mention are so determining a factor in games because we're not really putting tems to bed when we're on top.

Injuries and poor decisions have had an effect, they do for all teams, but we need the management team to focus on what they can change. Rightly or wrongly, I imagine referees don't feel inclined to give teams whose managers stand on the touchline screaming at them most of the game and getting carded the rub of the green. So cutting that out might be an idea.

That said, I still think if we have a good window, and get on some sort of a run we can make play offs or better. Our style relies on confidence, and we're short on that at present.

I agree with some of what you say but not all. After all, we were leading scorers in the league despite only benefiting from just one penalty decision this season. Unfortunately, this is because teams are less likely to try to defend their way to a result when playing at home which gives us more space whilst virtually every visiting team has set their stall out to defend and frustrate. This is where the teams lack of physical presence has shown through along with an inability to use more than one striker either through lack of personnel or willingness to change tactics.

Nevertheless, I think January might be quite interesting with player movement aimed at addressing some of our shortcomings. I always thought this season would be one of consolidation but can see that with a fair rub of the green we could be knocking on the door of the play-offs.

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 05 December 2024 - 11:47 AM, said:

I'm not saying it doesn't have an impact.

But I think we're struggling for a number of reasons. Our home record is poor. That's not just down to refereeing. Our squad is unbalanced. That's not down to refereeing. Tactically we are predictable to the point where other managers openly state we're easy to play against/shut down. We look very lightweight in terms of physicality in almost every position. And team choices in a lot of cases have been poor.

The decisions you mention are so determining a factor in games because we're not really putting tems to bed when we're on top.

Injuries and poor decisions have had an effect, they do for all teams, but we need the management team to focus on what they can change. Rightly or wrongly, I imagine referees don't feel inclined to give teams whose managers stand on the touchline screaming at them most of the game and getting carded the rub of the green. So cutting that out might be an idea.

That said, I still think if we have a good window, and get on some sort of a run we can make play offs or better. Our style relies on confidence, and we're short on that at present.

I don't disagree with the vast majority of that and I've been frustrated plenty of times with our performances in terms of dodgy defending etc. but I don't think the shocking refereeing decisions we've been on the end of this season can easily be waved away. I'd be interested to know how many apologies other teams in this league have received from the refereeing body to compare. I haven't been a serial ref moaner in previous seasons, but this one is something else. No point pretending that refs only have minimal impact to football matches and no point pretending that their poor performances don't stitch certain teams up more than others at times (again, not purposely done). To pretend these things aren't impacting is to deny reality.

In terms of Cook, yep I'm sure he isn't viewed favourably but when you are frequently seeing your team on the end of awful decisions then I think it's human nature to moan, unrealistic to expect otherwise.

This post has been edited by Goku: 05 December 2024 - 12:43 PM

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

dtp, on 05 December 2024 - 12:15 PM, said:

I agree with some of what you say but not all. After all, we were leading scorers in the league despite only benefiting from just one penalty decision this season. Unfortunately, this is because teams are less likely to try to defend their way to a result when playing at home which gives us more space whilst virtually every visiting team has set their stall out to defend and frustrate. This is where the teams lack of physical presence has shown through along with an inability to use more than one striker either through lack of personnel or willingness to change tactics.

Nevertheless, I think January might be quite interesting with player movement aimed at addressing some of our shortcomings. I always thought this season would be one of consolidation but can see that with a fair rub of the green we could be knocking on the door of the play-offs.

Certainly agree regarding the away form . I'd say 3 or 4 high scoring games where teams came at us probably flattered to deceive a bit, and papered over some cracks. Doncaster, Crewe and a couple of others come to mind.

I've always said Cookball is suited to having often good sides try to dominate us, as the space suits our game. And when it works it's a thing of beauty. But other managers have seen what happens when our side is given the space to play to our strengths, and increasingly choose to deny it to us both home and away.

When it isn't working, we need options. And our manager puts the 1 in one dimensional in that regard. Hopefully he'll tweak things going forward both in the transfer market and tactically.