[Zigsuk]

calvin plummers socks, on 05 December 2024 - 11:03 AM, said:

Explain how the pitches are less dangerous

They used to play on mud and even ice - Brian Clloughs playing career was ended by a serous injury on a dangerous surface. Surely the even surfaces they play on now are much truer than the mud baths of old.

[JonB]

Pretty sure they are better off these days compared to the likes of these pitches :-

[calvin plummers socks]

Zigsuk, on 05 December 2024 - 11:18 AM, said:

They used to play on mud and even ice - Brian Clloughs playing career was ended by a serous injury on a dangerous surface. Surely the even surfaces they play on now are much truer than the mud baths of old.

To be slightly pedantic- his injury was due to impact and player collision not the surface.
It sounds strange of course but injuries were negligible due to muddy pitches.
(There has been a lot of research done)!
Working on different unreliable surface is not an issue for a healthy body- in fact it?s good. Look at athletes training on trails and cross country as an example.
Modern training pitches are hard and often unforgiving which is not ideal in terms of workload.

[hilly81]

calvin plummers socks, on 05 December 2024 - 12:42 PM, said:

To be slightly pedantic- his injury was due to impact and player collision not the surface.
It sounds strange of course but injuries were negligible due to muddy pitches.
(There has been a lot of research done)!
Working on different unreliable surface is not an issue for a healthy body- in fact it?s good. Look at athletes training on trails and cross country as an example.
Modern training pitches are hard and often unforgiving which is not ideal in terms of workload.

This. There is a reason many of the top elite runners do cross country every year. Not only is it brilliant fun, it's really good for you.

This post has been edited by hilly81: 05 December 2024 - 01:21 PM

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hilly81, on 05 December 2024 - 01:20 PM, said:

This. There is a reason many of the top elite runners do cross country every year. Not only is it brilliant fun, it's really good for you.

Off at a slight tangent, I've been reading a best selling book about running, harking back to a theory that Early Man (The Earl?), ran everywhere in preference to walking.

Any road up, one world champion runner did all his practice wearing extra heavy footwear so that he felt as though he was weightless when he was in a race. It had a profound effect on his mental strength and it occurred to me that it could be introduced as a state of the art practice at CFC, including warm ups.

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dim view, on 05 December 2024 - 01:41 PM, said:

Off at a slight tangent, I've been reading a best selling book about running, harking back to a theory that Early Man (The Earl?), ran everywhere in preference to walking.

Any road up, one world champion runner did all his practice wearing extra heavy footwear so that he felt as though he was weightless when he was in a race. It had a profound effect on his mental strength and it occurred to me that it could be introduced as a state of the art practice at CFC, including warm ups.

Zatopek
And no - times have changed

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calvin plummers socks, on 05 December 2024 - 01:48 PM, said:

Zatopek
And no - times have changed

Hmmm, yep I thought you'd say that. Luddite.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 05 December 2024 - 11:27 AM, said:

Pretty sure they are better off these days compared to the likes of these pitches :-

The current day coaches would have their work cut out persuading their players to go down feigning death on those pitches.

Bring them back

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dim view, on 05 December 2024 - 02:01 PM, said:

Hmmm, yep I thought you'd say that. Luddite.

Explain Luddite in this context

[60s 70s Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 05 December 2024 - 03:11 PM, said:

Explain Luddite in this context

Presumably sarcasm

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 05 December 2024 - 01:41 PM, said:

Off at a slight tangent, I've been reading a best selling book about running, harking back to a theory that Early Man (The Earl?), ran everywhere in preference to walking.

Any road up, one world champion runner did all his practice wearing extra heavy footwear so that he felt as though he was weightless when he was in a race. It had a profound effect on his mental strength and it occurred to me that it could be introduced as a state of the art practice at CFC, including warm ups.

For context Zatopek held the 10,000-metre record from 1949 to 1954, his best time being 28 min 54.2 sec.
The record now is 26 min 11 sec.
Presumably training, and kit, have improved somewhat

[h again]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 10:48 AM, said:

More than 10, pretty sure we had 13/14 out at one point, it was ridiculous. We?re also in the realms of silliness now; these injuries unfortunately have the potential to make our season peter out.

I think we had an entire first team out at one point in Rowe's reign, and although he was able to go out and get replacements, integrating them into a vastly depleted squad must have been a nightmare.
As for injuries back in the 50s and 60s, there must have been some whether we remember or not, but players just carried on unless they were physically incapable of standing up - if you broke a leg you just went on the wing. No subs.

[JonB]

Running shoes\trainers have changed making a big difference. Likes of Nike have ones with carbon in the soles and soles that give a rebound effect etc. This article on BBC Sport explains some of it :-
https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c89l29l2dxvo

Last month the female athlete knocked 2mins off the previous marathon world record wearing these Nike trainers which appear to have more sole than actual bit for your foot! :-

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h again, on 05 December 2024 - 03:56 PM, said:

I think we had an entire first team out at one point in Rowe's reign, and although he was able to go out and get replacements, integrating them into a vastly depleted squad must have been a nightmare.
As for injuries back in the 50s and 60s, there must have been some whether we remember or not, but players just carried on unless they were physically incapable of standing up - if you broke a leg you just went on the wing. No subs.

Don?t be silly

JonB, on 05 December 2024 - 03:59 PM, said:

Running shoes\trainers have changed making a big difference. Likes of Nike have ones with carbon in the soles and soles that give a rebound effect etc. This article on BBC Sport explains some of it :-
https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c89l29l2dxvo

Last month the female athlete knocked 2mins off the previous marathon world record wearing these Nike trainers which appear to have more sole than actual bit for your foot! :-

I have these - a prototype - they make you very fast

[h again]

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Don?t be silly


Exaggeration to make a point, though all breaks don't end up with the leg waggling about. We had a left winger whose name escapes me, under Rowe, who played on with a broken kneecap and only packed up 'cos it was half time.

This post has been edited by h again: 05 December 2024 - 04:15 PM