[hewittfan]

OneDecentLester, on 04 December 2024 - 02:27 PM, said:

Have we any time line at all in regards when we can expect to see any of these players back?

This is what I?ve got:

Daley-Campbell: Unknown injury / ???
Dunkley: ?Neck issue? / Due back 1st Jan
Tanton: Hamstring / 6 weeks
Palmer: Knee / Due back 1st Jan
Jones: Unknown injury / ???
Metcalfe: Foot? / ???
Fleck: Hamstring / ??? (silence absolutely deafening on this one btw)
Naylor: Unknown injury / ??? (Cook mentioned short term)
Jacobs: Knee issue / ??? (Cook alluded to it being long term)
Madden: Calf issue / ??? (Same as above)

Reports have said that Jones?s problem is with his Achilles tendon.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

I think this romanticised idea that it's because players back in the day were proper 'ard and today's players are fannies is for the birds. Most players if asked will play regardless, but it's best for both the player and club that they don't aggravate any niggles. Games nowadays are, I gather, quicker paced (I've seen videos from back in the day and there wasn't a lot of movement compared to today, even at top division level). Physios and Sport Scientists are more aware of the importance of keeping players injury free, squads are bigger so why wouldn't you take advantage of rotation in an attempt to keep players fresh?. Obviously it's a super romantic idea that a player battles on through the pain barrier, for the fans, for his teammates, for the badge!!! but in reality they'd just be f**king themselves up later down the line. Smaller squads also meant you pretty much had to play regardless if your kneecap was hanging off. It's not like players today have weaker muscles or something, realistically they get asked questions by the physio, they presumably answer honestly and then it's up to the physio and manager as to whether said player plays or not.

Poor pay meant many players simply couldn't afford to miss games. Meaning many players, as you quite rightly point out, continued through often serious injuries paying the price in later life (seem to remember a tale of one bloke, might've been Rod Fern, having a broken ankle strapped up with wet bandage, carrying on, then not being able to walk on it twenty years later).

And yeah, the pace of the game is far faster now. Have you seen, say, the full sixty six final? How little closing down there was? No talk of high or low blocks in those days - although it was perfectly acceptable to take out someone at waist height to 'let 'em know you were there'.

Footballers are athletes, now. On a different planet in terms of fitness but more prone to injury too...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 04 December 2024 - 06:47 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

azul, on 04 December 2024 - 10:42 AM, said:

I can't remember a situation like this back then and I started supporting Town in 1967. From what I remember the squad only had 16 or so players although we didn't have subs and had a proper youth team to call on back then.

However, I am hesitant to say this in case I feed SAD but our current situation is reminiscent of a period under Rowe. Of course back then he lost a player through injury and went out and got another two in as the NL didn't have a transfer window.

Why it occurs now and not back then is a mystery. They say players are better conditioned and fitter than ever but I suppose the counter argument is that the game quicker. Not sure I swallow all that stuff. Maybe players just played on through minor knocks and niggles as there wasn't such an industry in sports science and payed the price in later life. Perhaps injuries are easier to pick up playing in skimpy shin pads and slippers. Maybe people didn't have hamstrings back then.

Was it Altrincham at home one midweek we only managed to name two subs?

[60s 70s Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 December 2024 - 06:45 PM, said:

Poor pay meant many players simply couldn't afford to miss games. Meaning many players, as you quite rightly point out, continued through often serious injuries paying the price in later life (seem to remember a tale of one bloke, might've been Rod Fern, having a broken ankle strapped up with wet bandage, carrying on, then not being able to walk on it twenty years later).

And yeah, the pace of the game is far faster now. Have you seen, say, the full sixty six final? How little closing down there was? No talk of high or low blocks in those days - although it was perfectly acceptable to take out someone at waist height to 'let 'em know you were there'.

Footballers are athletes, now. On a different planet in terms of fitness but more prone to injury too...

You have pinched my draft post- especially the reference to the 1966 Final. Agree with this and Gokus post. Many a player was told to go out there and get on with it, sprain, joint damage notwithstanding.

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 04 December 2024 - 06:57 PM, said:

Was it Altrincham at home one midweek we only managed to name two subs?

There was a game under Rowe against them i think where we could only name four subs and three were attackers. We were trying to hold on in the final mins with three strikers on the pitch I think.

This is it, just found it?tshimanga, Tyson and Payne all on at the end as we conceded twice late on to draw. Equaliser seemed to come as the ref let them play til they scored.

This post has been edited by JonB: 04 December 2024 - 07:40 PM

[azul]

JonB, on 04 December 2024 - 07:36 PM, said:

There was a game under Rowe against them i think where we could only name four subs and three were attackers. We were trying to hold on in the final mins with three strikers on the pitch I think.

This is it, just found it?tshimanga, Tyson and Payne all on at the end as we conceded twice late on to draw. Equaliser seemed to come as the ref let them play til they scored.

That was the season after the massive injury crisis. Rowe's second season where Kabby was knocking them in. Think we had a brief injury/illness crisis because we pulled out of the Trophy game shortly afterwards.

[Wooden Spoon]

newwhitblue, on 04 December 2024 - 10:46 AM, said:

I think the bottom line really is the fact they were a lot tougher back in the day,(ive have been going to see the lads from 1960 onwards to the present day) And your right this seems to be an exceptional period of player injuries,nothing like it in the past i can recall,Certainly making it to the first team was every players ambittion,because the money was slightly better than the basic wage,

The game is much faster now, fitness levels are far far higher than they were 40 years. Bodies are pushed much harder

[Wooden Spoon]

Phil V 72, on 04 December 2024 - 11:05 AM, said:

The likes of Tommy Smith were basically later crippled by the treatments they received back in the day (cortisone injections to alleviate pain) and as I understand it played with injuries that they should have been recuperating from.

Also true

[Lincs Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 December 2024 - 06:45 PM, said:

Poor pay meant many players simply couldn't afford to miss games. Meaning many players, as you quite rightly point out, continued through often serious injuries paying the price in later life (seem to remember a tale of one bloke, might've been Rod Fern, having a broken ankle strapped up with wet bandage, carrying on, then not being able to walk on it twenty years later).

And yeah, the pace of the game is far faster now. Have you seen, say, the full sixty six final? How little closing down there was? No talk of high or low blocks in those days - although it was perfectly acceptable to take out someone at waist height to 'let 'em know you were there'.

Footballers are athletes, now. On a different planet in terms of fitness but more prone to injury too...

I watched a clip of George Best last week and the surface they played on was literally a ploughed field in the centre of the pitch, and no doubt it was probably a caseball that got heavy when wet. All their shirts and shorts were covered in sludge. I wonder how our players would cope with that these days ? Would we have any players left to field a team ?

[warfey is a spireite]

Why is fleck stealing a wage get rid for **** sakes

[60s 70s Spireite]

Lincs Spireite, on 04 December 2024 - 09:13 PM, said:

I watched a clip of George Best last week and the surface they played on was literally a ploughed field in the centre of the pitch, and no doubt it was probably a caseball that got heavy when wet. All their shirts and shorts were covered in sludge. I wonder how our players would cope with that these days ? Would we have any players left to field a team ?

Very few 1960s players, Best one though, would be anywhere fast and strong enough to play the pace of games today. Alan Ball was seen as a freak, because -quote- he just keeps running!

The amount of sprinting in a game nowadays is way above that seen in the old days. Higher velocity means higher velocity impact.

[calvin plummers socks]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

I think this romanticised idea that it's because players back in the day were proper 'ard and today's players are fannies is for the birds. Most players if asked will play regardless, but it's best for both the player and club that they don't aggravate any niggles. Games nowadays are, I gather, quicker paced (I've seen videos from back in the day and there wasn't a lot of movement compared to today, even at top division level). Physios and Sport Scientists are more aware of the importance of keeping players injury free, squads are bigger so why wouldn't you take advantage of rotation in an attempt to keep players fresh?. Obviously it's a super romantic idea that a player battles on through the pain barrier, for the fans, for his teammates, for the badge!!! but in reality they'd just be f**king themselves up later down the line. Smaller squads also meant you pretty much had to play regardless if your kneecap was hanging off. It's not like players today have weaker muscles or something, realistically they get asked questions by the physio, they presumably answer honestly and then it's up to the physio and manager as to whether said player plays or not.

👏🏽

[Blue95]

warfey is a spireite, on 04 December 2024 - 09:20 PM, said:

Why is fleck stealing a wage get rid for **** sakes

You can?t just get rid without paying them off for **** sakes

[Goku]

Blue95, on 04 December 2024 - 10:47 PM, said:

You can?t just get rid without paying them off for **** sakes

JUST GET RID. END OFF!

[Blue95]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 10:51 PM, said:

JUST GET RID. END OFF!

Nice

[Westbars Spireite]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 10:51 PM, said:

JUST GET RID. END OFF!

Shoot him on the spot!

[warfey is a spireite]

Why not there's no chance he will run off

[Zigsuk]

Yes it?s true the game is definitely faster and more tactical and the players undoubtedly fitter. However the pitches are much better and therefore should be less dangerous and science and technology should have aided fitness and recovery whereas the opposite seems to be happening. No one really seems to know the answer and nor do I, although maybe Gokus post comes closest. Maybe we shouldn?t romanticise and overrate the old players, however my childhood memory of Albert Holmes to give one example was he was a brilliant full back who would still be easily my first choice as right back in a best town team all these years later.And I can?t recall him being injured.

As

[JonB]

He's under contract...we cant just get rid of him. For him to leave its either come to a deal to pay him off or get him to agree to cancel his contract and call it a day.

[calvin plummers socks]

Zigsuk, on 05 December 2024 - 11:01 AM, said:

Yes it?s true the game is definitely faster and more tactical and the players undoubtedly fitter. However the pitches are much better and therefore should be less dangerous and science and technology should have aided fitness and recovery whereas the opposite seems to be happening. No one really seems to know the answer and nor do I, although maybe Gokus post comes closest. Maybe we shouldn?t romanticise and overrate the old players, however my childhood memory of Albert Holmes to give one example was he was a brilliant full back who would still be easily my first choice as right back in a best town team all these years later.And I can?t recall him being injured.

As

Explain how the pitches are less dangerous