[ronpowellsbutler]

I am wondering if my memory is playing tricks but I cannot recall such long injury lists back in the 1960s.
I cannot remember the likes of Dave Blakey, Gerry Clarke, Albert Holmes et al being out for long unless they had broken something.
That was a time of heavy tackles, poor pitches and restorative treatment via a cold sponge.
If we had the current injury list in those days we might have struggled to field a team.
Happy to be corrected if wrong.

[hilly81]

ronpowellsbutler, on 04 December 2024 - 10:24 AM, said:

I am wondering if my memory is playing tricks but I cannot recall such long injury lists back in the 1960s.
I cannot remember the likes of Dave Blakey, Gerry Clarke, Albert Holmes et al being out for long unless they had broken something.
That was a time of heavy tackles, poor pitches and restorative treatment via a cold sponge.
If we had the current injury list in those days we might have struggled to field a team.
Happy to be corrected if wrong.

I'm struggling to remember us having so many injuries all at once in recent times.

[Old Exile]

I agree. Not many payers missed games then. If they did it was something serious 👍COYB

[azul]

ronpowellsbutler, on 04 December 2024 - 10:24 AM, said:

I am wondering if my memory is playing tricks but I cannot recall such long injury lists back in the 1960s.
I cannot remember the likes of Dave Blakey, Gerry Clarke, Albert Holmes et al being out for long unless they had broken something.
That was a time of heavy tackles, poor pitches and restorative treatment via a cold sponge.
If we had the current injury list in those days we might have struggled to field a team.
Happy to be corrected if wrong.

I can't remember a situation like this back then and I started supporting Town in 1967. From what I remember the squad only had 16 or so players although we didn't have subs and had a proper youth team to call on back then.

However, I am hesitant to say this in case I feed SAD but our current situation is reminiscent of a period under Rowe. Of course back then he lost a player through injury and went out and got another two in as the NL didn't have a transfer window.

Why it occurs now and not back then is a mystery. They say players are better conditioned and fitter than ever but I suppose the counter argument is that the game quicker. Not sure I swallow all that stuff. Maybe players just played on through minor knocks and niggles as there wasn't such an industry in sports science and payed the price in later life. Perhaps injuries are easier to pick up playing in skimpy shin pads and slippers. Maybe people didn't have hamstrings back then.

This post has been edited by azul: 04 December 2024 - 10:44 AM

[warfey is a spireite]

hilly81, on 04 December 2024 - 10:39 AM, said:

I'm struggling to remember us having so many injuries all at once in recent times.

Might be the training

[azul]

hilly81, on 04 December 2024 - 10:39 AM, said:

I'm struggling to remember us having so many injuries all at once in recent times.

I'm sure Rowe had 10 or so one season but as I said above he just went out a signed a replacement.

This post has been edited by azul: 04 December 2024 - 10:47 AM

[newwhitblue]

I think the bottom line really is the fact they were a lot tougher back in the day,(ive have been going to see the lads from 1960 onwards to the present day) And your right this seems to be an exceptional period of player injuries,nothing like it in the past i can recall,Certainly making it to the first team was every players ambittion,because the money was slightly better than the basic wage,

[hilly81]

warfey is a spireite, on 04 December 2024 - 10:44 AM, said:

Might be the training

It could be a variety of things. I would imagine the training is very similar to last season where we suffered very few injuries. We are in a bad patch but it will get better.

[Goku]

azul, on 04 December 2024 - 10:46 AM, said:

I'm sure Rowe had 10 or so one season but as I said below he just went out a signed a replacement.

More than 10, pretty sure we had 13/14 out at one point, it was ridiculous. We?re also in the realms of silliness now; these injuries unfortunately have the potential to make our season peter out.

[azul]

Goku, on 04 December 2024 - 10:48 AM, said:

More than 10, pretty sure we had 13/14 out at one point, it was ridiculous. We?re also in the realms of silliness now; these injuries unfortunately have the potential to make our season peter out.

I think we ended up with a squad of 40 that season

Edit:
Season 2020/21, 39 players used in the league including McKay with one sub appearance (remember him). It was the season that Hollis, Asante and Carline got those horror injuries.

This post has been edited by azul: 04 December 2024 - 11:01 AM

[Phil V 72]

The likes of Tommy Smith were basically later crippled by the treatments they received back in the day (cortisone injections to alleviate pain) and as I understand it played with injuries that they should have been recuperating from.

[boot]

Phil V 72, on 04 December 2024 - 11:05 AM, said:

The likes of Tommy Smith were basically later crippled by the treatments they received back in the day (cortisone injections to alleviate pain) and as I understand it played with injuries that they should have been recuperating from.

[boot]

Back in the day - remember Dave Blakey being stretchered off with a suspected broken leg - he played the following Saturday!

[HoneyTrippa]

I may be wrong but I dont think we played as many games back then either.

[ronpowellsbutler]

boot, on 04 December 2024 - 01:31 PM, said:

Back in the day - remember Dave Blakey being stretchered off with a suspected broken leg - he played the following Saturday!

I am sure it was at Doncaster when John Osborne got injured and they sent him up front. It would have been mid sixties just before subs were allowed.

[Looker-on]

azul, on 04 December 2024 - 10:46 AM, said:

I'm sure Rowe had 10 or so one season but as I said above he just went out a signed a replacement.

That'll be the season when it seemed like we couldn't get a physio to stay for more than a few weeks, for some entirely unfathomable reason, (cough) Rowe (cough.)

[clarevoyant.]

HoneyTrippa, on 04 December 2024 - 01:40 PM, said:

I may be wrong but I dont think we played as many games back then either.

Definitely not in the cup

[Osborne again]

ronpowellsbutler, on 04 December 2024 - 10:24 AM, said:

I am wondering if my memory is playing tricks but I cannot recall such long injury lists back in the 1960s.
I cannot remember the likes of Dave Blakey, Gerry Clarke, Albert Holmes et al being out for long unless they had broken something.
That was a time of heavy tackles, poor pitches and restorative treatment via a cold sponge.
If we had the current injury list in those days we might have struggled to field a team.
Happy to be corrected if wrong.

Too right mate,those three were made of granite. You can add Albert Phelan,Bill Green and John Ridley to that list, but there were stacks more. I was there when, I think it was, Gerry Clarke broke his leg. You heard the crack,but you didn't hear any cries of anguish. If it had been me, I'm sure I wouldn't have been so laid back.

[Goku]

I think this romanticised idea that it's because players back in the day were proper 'ard and today's players are fannies is for the birds. Most players if asked will play regardless, but it's best for both the player and club that they don't aggravate any niggles. Games nowadays are, I gather, quicker paced (I've seen videos from back in the day and there wasn't a lot of movement compared to today, even at top division level). Physios and Sport Scientists are more aware of the importance of keeping players injury free, squads are bigger so why wouldn't you take advantage of rotation in an attempt to keep players fresh?. Obviously it's a super romantic idea that a player battles on through the pain barrier, for the fans, for his teammates, for the badge!!! but in reality they'd just be f**king themselves up later down the line. Smaller squads also meant you pretty much had to play regardless if your kneecap was hanging off. It's not like players today have weaker muscles or something, realistically they get asked questions by the physio, they presumably answer honestly and then it's up to the physio and manager as to whether said player plays or not.

[OneDecentLester]

Have we any time line at all in regards when we can expect to see any of these players back?

This is what I?ve got:

Daley-Campbell: Unknown injury / ???
Dunkley: ?Neck issue? / Due back 1st Jan
Tanton: Hamstring / 6 weeks
Palmer: Knee / Due back 1st Jan
Jones: Unknown injury / ???
Metcalfe: Foot? / ???
Fleck: Hamstring / ??? (silence absolutely deafening on this one btw)
Naylor: Unknown injury / ??? (Cook mentioned short term)
Jacobs: Knee issue / ??? (Cook alluded to it being long term)
Madden: Calf issue / ??? (Same as above)