[jack bauer]

Search & Destroy, on 16 November 2024 - 08:53 PM, said:

So that?s 255 points from 145 games

most importantly it's a promotion tucked in there and now we have to go again a level up and it will take a bit of time,

[Misnomer]

Cum on u blues, on 16 November 2024 - 08:47 PM, said:

I?ve resisted posting for the last couple of weeks but can?t help it tonight even though it changes nothing in general. Rather out of total frustration.

As I?ve said lots of times (even in better times) the manager hasn?t any tactical sense whatsoever. He ploughs his own (very well worn) path which all other managers with any wherewithal read. Easy to play against us, they simply need to press us, we?ll keep possession by passing sideways and backwards, get 70% possession in the stats but lose the game?

We?re vulnerable with every attack even against a poor attacking team like Harrogate. I can?t blame the defence. How many times was JG exposed today one on one because the f?in full backs were too far forward. I really get the impression that players are playing a game which is totally alien to them. From a spectator?s point of view it?s glaring. We have the players but he f?s everything up.

Time to get back to basics.

Does he think he?s managing Liverpool? Dream on. The only way forward for him is back in the NL where his level is found. Unfortunately he still has the support of the directors and the majority of supporters but he?ll be found out sooner or later.

From an attacking point of view we?re completely devoid of ideas. It?s a scandal that our most exciting player is left on the bench, left to pick up the scraps after all fans were waiting for changes from at least from 10 minutes in the 2nd half. Whenever we get the ball there?s 3 defenders on Grigg in the box with no one else following up.

Last week was the worst example: wait until we?re 3 down and make 3 changes with 15 minutes left and let?s hope for a miracle. Four changes today at least 20 minutes too late when you could have taken the pick from anyone outside the defence. When will he learn? Desperation comes to mind rather than thinking things through. I?m a layperson like everyone on this board but you don?t need to have a footballing brain (if that exists) to see where things are going badly wrong.

Too easy to put the blame on the players. Time to take your responsibility PC, stop blaming the players or ?that?s football?. He?s just not up to it which no doubt will get a few reactions?

However if we should target individual players Dobra should never have started today. Crap and disinterested midweek and so selfish in possession today. At least twice he should have given the ball to Mandy in a better position. Markanday was totally invisible. I like OB but he had a bad game today and seems to play too deep, occupying the same space as DJ when we need that extra player forward at critical times.

Like others have said we need to get Naylor back in midfield. Even as a makeshift defender he adds more urgency to our play but better used further forward as he kicks ass.

Although I think that Madden has lost a yard he doesn?t suddenly become a bad player overnight. Quite honestly if he?s just there to replace Grigg it?s a waste of money. He?s got so much more to add to our game by coming from deep and using the space which Grigg doesn?t normally use. Personally I?d like to see both used from the start of a game

Goes without saying that Berry is our only outlet at the moment, what a total waste to see the lad used in the last chance saloon. He?ll no doubt move on to better pastures in the New Year with a club which appreciates his potential.

We have the squad but will it be used effectively going forward?

Maybe we?ll get lucky??

We need luck on the basis of what we?ve witnessed so far

I'm definitely going to agree with you ref Madden.

Seriously, what was the point? We had Quigley doing exactly the same job. Might as well have just kept Quigley and saved a few grand.

[dtp]

Goku, on 16 November 2024 - 08:27 PM, said:

We miss Tyrer

Whether we do or not I do not really know.

Tyrer always had a mistake in him and was a little rash at times but was capable of the spectacular too.

I accept the lad from Newcastle has a lot to learn and that Boot has had to come in on the back of a hand injury because he is the only fit keeper with any experience on the books. That is how the wind blows. Goals against have come following good saves from Boot but is that also because opposition players have reacted quicker than our players to the ball?

However, defensively there is more wrong than whoever is between the sticks. We really struggle with speedy counter attacks mainly because our CBs get isolated with our FBs both advancing at the same time and the lack of bite in midfield. Injuries have not helped but neither has playing players out of position.

However, up front we have managed one goal in two games whilst conceding five. Obviously, you are never going to win two games with just one goal. We have had the giants share of possession in both games but struggled to look dangerous. Players like Banks, Mandeville, Colclough and Naylor scored goals last season whereas this season they have contributed little to nothing in that respect. Madden has hardly contributed either. However, certain players that have contributed like Grigg, Berry, Markanday and Dobra seem to be the ones which get flak when things go wrong.

We have to trust the management will sort it but we conceded far too many soft goals last season and that is continuing this season despite changes in personnel. So, is that a result of the system we play or that the numerous different players we have tried are not up to it?

[jack bauer]

dtp, on 16 November 2024 - 09:09 PM, said:

Whether we do or not I do not really know.

Tyrer always had a mistake in him and was a little rash at times but was capable of the spectacular too.

I accept the lad from Newcastle has a lot to learn and that Boot has had to come in on the back of a hand injury because he is the only fit keeper with any experience on the books. That is how the wind blows. Goals against have come following good saves from Boot but is that also because opposition players have reacted quicker than our players to the ball?

However, defensively there is more wrong than whoever is between the sticks. We really struggle with speedy counter attacks mainly because our CBs get isolated with our FBs both advancing at the same time and the lack of bite in midfield. Injuries have not helped but neither has playing players out of position.

However, up front we have managed one goal in two games whilst conceding five. Obviously, you are never going to win two games with just one goal. We have had the giants share of possession in both games but struggled to look dangerous. Players like Banks, Mandeville, Colclough and Naylor scored goals last season whereas this season they have contributed little to nothing in that respect. Madden has hardly contributed either. However, certain players that have contributed like Grigg, Berry, Markanday and Dobra seem to be the ones which get flak when things go wrong.

We have to trust the management will sort it but we conceded far too many soft goals last season and that is continuing this season despite changes in personnel. So, is that a result of the system we play or that the numerous different players we have tried are not up to it?

made the point earlier in the thread that dunkley has become a big miss and that the goals against has crept up since his absence.

[azul]

rodney, on 16 November 2024 - 08:47 PM, said:

Also agree. With Markanday or madden in the 10.

Markanday was useless today like everyone but what's worse there was no effort

[lindo-spireite]

Have I seriously just read the only way forward for cook is back to the national league 😂😂 the man who only has one blimp on his cv and that?s Ipswich. Where you can argue he wasn?t given time

You stayed quiet for a few weeks as we were on an 8 game or whatever it was unbeaten streak. ?Does he think he?s managing Liverpool? no pal, he?s managing chesterfield, and you?re suooorting chesterfield, not Liverpool, therefore you should accept where we are, in transition after finally getting back into the league, not expecting to win everything on offer.

[Goku]

Sorry Paul! Your death knell has been sounded by Mr. Cum! Mr. Cum says the only way forward for you is the National League, womp womp 🙁

[dim view]

dtp, on 16 November 2024 - 09:09 PM, said:

We have to trust the management will sort it but we conceded far too many soft goals last season and that is continuing this season despite changes in personnel. So, is that a result of the system we play or that the numerous different players we have tried are not up to it?

The system we play has completely changed. Wide attacks with our fullbacks pushing into the empty spaces has stopped. They now stay put and defend.

[Spireiteranger]

Search & Destroy, on 16 November 2024 - 08:55 PM, said:

Great post but you?ll be shouted down

Why are you replying to your own post from your other account?

[clarevoyant.]

Benno Spire, on 16 November 2024 - 07:59 PM, said:

A few points from today the Harrogate bench constantly in fourth official?s face but that was ok, cook said something once and was booked and the ref appeared his slow walk over to book him.Harrogate players shirt pulling and leaving foot in and ref was OK with that, Harrogate player fell over and it?s a free kickGreat tackle by Dobra and free kick given which led to their goal, although we should have defended the rebound better.Ball hits referee, should blow for a drop ball, saw it went to a Harrogate player so played on.I initially thought back pass at the end but as he used his thigh apparently that is allowed.I also thought some players neshed some challenges and we kept getting out muscled. Overall a bad day at the office and we need to bounce back next week.

A good summation.
I'm avoiding criticism of players or our game plan (management), there's plenty of scope,and but I'll leave that to the many who expect utopia every game.
However back to the well considered thoughts above and I would like to add, for the ones stood on the side terrace, did anyone feel that little s..t of a number 4 should have been cautioned countless times before the ref eventually cracked (hourish) to be followed by his withdrawal. He constantly left his 'foot in', went over the top, etc., IMO the refs failure to get to grips with this little tw@ was detrimental to some of our players performances.

[Misnomer]

Christ, I hate newbie posters trying to impress....

[Bluekent]

lindo-spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 09:21 PM, said:

Have I seriously just read the only way forward for cook is back to the national league 😂😂 the man who only has one blimp on his cv and that?s Ipswich. Where you can argue he wasn?t given time

You stayed quiet for a few weeks as we were on an 8 game or whatever it was unbeaten streak. ?Does he think he?s managing Liverpool? no pal, he?s managing chesterfield, and you?re suooorting chesterfield, not Liverpool, therefore you should accept where we are, in transition after finally getting back into the league, not expecting to win everything on offer.

He?s a f***ing idiot mate, there are a couple of folk on here who seem to have a personal issue with our manager and can?t wait until we lose as it gives them an excuse to question him as a manager. Imagine achieving what he?s achieved and still being dug out by some wet wipes on here 😂

[Fit as a Nelson]

Spireiteranger, on 16 November 2024 - 09:32 PM, said:

Why are you replying to your own post from your other account?

Is that rate? Makes perfect sense

[1978blue]

dim view, on 16 November 2024 - 08:25 PM, said:

Quiz question. How many parries by Boot have led to goals conceded in the last 2 games? Top goalies get the ball away from danger when making a great save. I think we'll miss Thompson.

I don't think Thompson is the answer either. Neither fill me with confidence !!

[Benno Spire]

clarevoyant., on 16 November 2024 - 09:36 PM, said:

A good summation.
I'm avoiding criticism of players or our game plan (management), there's plenty of scope,and but I'll leave that to the many who expect utopia every game.
However back to the well considered thoughts above and I would like to add, for the ones stood on the side terrace, did anyone feel that little s..t of a number 4 should have been cautioned countless times before the ref eventually cracked (hourish) to be followed by his withdrawal. He constantly left his 'foot in', went over the top, etc., IMO the refs failure to get to grips with this little tw@ was detrimental to some of our players performances.

Totally agree about their number 4, it looked like his job was to put it about, especially on Dobra and the ref let him get away with most, like when he stamped on Oldaker and clipped Dobra round the ear, which he milked and as soon as he was booked, was subbed and replaced by another player todo the same

[Phil V 72]

We weren?t great, our defending was poor but we are hampered with injuries. I get disappointment but there are some severe overreactions on here tonight

[1978blue]

Benno Spire, on 16 November 2024 - 09:42 PM, said:

Totally agree about their number 4, it looked like his job was to put it about, especially on Dobra and the ref let him get away with most, like when he stamped on Oldaker and clipped Dobra round the ear, which he milked and as soon as he was booked, was subbed and replaced by another player todo the same

Each time we've played Harrogate Falkingham as been like that. Remember him jumping up right in front of us celebrating and giving it the big un when they got a 96th minute equaliser when we first played them in non league. He's a little s**t.

[Benno Spire]

Just watched the short highlights, it doesn?t show how Harrogate were awarded the free kick but Harrogate got a clear advantage from the ball hitting the ref as the initial punt was looking like going to a Chesterfield player, he should have blown for a drop ball and has cost us a point

[Goku]

Phil V 72, on 16 November 2024 - 09:44 PM, said:

We weren?t great, our defending was poor but we are hampered with injuries. I get disappointment but there are some severe overreactions on here tonight

There is every time we don?t win by the softlad brigade

This post has been edited by Goku: 16 November 2024 - 09:53 PM

[Derbysbirnnbred]

lindo-spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:53 PM, said:

Hopefully moving Naylor back into midfield when Dunkley returns, Harvey along side him, drop dobra, if banks plays it?s in the 10, berry on the left and markandy on the right, rotate grigg and madden.

Hopefully that gets us through to Jan in and around the play offs, then ask the lovely Kirk?s if we can pay off some of the conference players that?s aren?t good enough and strengthen, if there?s no takers for them.

It?s frustrating but I?ve accepted this season is about transition, cookie mentioned early doors it?s important not to grow too quickly as a club, which is why I think we?ve brought a few loans in whilst we still have some of last seasons players under contract.

Go back to the good old 4-4-2 madden n grigg up front ,a green with Naylor in the middle , Kirk brothers have said they will only spend more money in to the squad if needed and not just for fun. There so easy to talk too.
We need to make the 70-80 % persession in to goals instead of trying to walk it in because teams now how we work now so they put 9 people behind the ball . Let berry etc shoot from outside the box it worked today and on other occasions.