[jack bauer]

Exharboroughspireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:56 PM, said:

Watched it and let?s be honest. Really honest. Teams have found us out. We are brilliant in possession but create little. Teams now line up knowing we will play in front of them. Possession means nothing if you don?t create. Please can we have a plan B. I expect a clear out at January and certainly the end of the year.

said before i don't see a clear out in january to be honest, and in reality we're not far off (today was poor yes), but we're not finding it as easy as last year and never were we going to.

This little run does seem to happen at times under cook were we have spells of results that go against us, i even seem to recall in our league 1 play off season we went on a poor run, cook will find a way and we'll be ok, by which i mean talk of relegation i find laughable, i don't see us being top 3 and never did but i still think come the end of the season (which is miles off yet) we will be in and around the play offs.

[Spireiteboy155]

Zigsuk, on 16 November 2024 - 05:08 PM, said:

The wrist slashers are really gushing tonight.
Maybe we won?t even make the play offs, but talk of relegation is ludicrous. I will bet anyone anything we won?t be relegated.
Remember Doncaster were about third bottom at one point and they made the playoffs.

They did that by winning game after game after game.
We?ve not looked at all like doing that all season.

Of course we?ll not go down.
But there?s next to no chance of going up.
We are simply not consistent enough.
5 wins from 16 says it all.

We?ll finish mid table. Which isn?t a disaster at all. But I do feel it?d be underachieving with the squad that we have.

This post has been edited by Spireiteboy155: 16 November 2024 - 06:37 PM

[Lincs Spireite]

jack bauer, on 16 November 2024 - 06:25 PM, said:

said before i don't see a clear out in january to be honest, and in reality we're not far off (today was poor yes), but we're not finding it as easy as last year and never were we going to.

This little run does seem to happen at times under cook were we have spells of results that go against us, i even seem to recall in our league 1 play off season we went on a poor run, cook will find a way and we'll be ok, by which i mean talk of relegation i find laughable, i don't see us being top 3 and never did but i still think come the end of the season (which is miles off yet) we will be in and around the play offs.

Mid table was always the target this season. No we will not be in relegation territory but I think playoffs will be a stretch. As PC says we are in transition and hopefully we will have a good few new players next season.

[Nickycw]

jack bauer, on 16 November 2024 - 06:25 PM, said:

said before i don't see a clear out in january to be honest, and in reality we're not far off (today was poor yes), but we're not finding it as easy as last year and never were we going to.

This little run does seem to happen at times under cook were we have spells of results that go against us, i even seem to recall in our league 1 play off season we went on a poor run, cook will find a way and we'll be ok, by which i mean talk of relegation i find laughable, i don't see us being top 3 and never did but i still think come the end of the season (which is miles off yet) we will be in and around the play offs.

We?d be better off letting Williams go, and probably Palmer. Use the wages to get a CB he actually wants to play. Not necessarily a clear out, but losing players he clearly doesn?t rate. Fleck too if he?s never going to be fit

[Exharboroughspireite]

jack bauer, on 16 November 2024 - 06:25 PM, said:

said before i don't see a clear out in january to be honest, and in reality we're not far off (today was poor yes), but we're not finding it as easy as last year and never were we going to.

This little run does seem to happen at times under cook were we have spells of results that go against us, i even seem to recall in our league 1 play off season we went on a poor run, cook will find a way and we'll be ok, by which i mean talk of relegation i find laughable, i don't see us being top 3 and never did but i still think come the end of the season (which is miles off yet) we will be in and around the play offs.

When I say clear out I think we all can see the players who are - for whatever reason - are not L2 standard. I am a huge fan of cook but he needs to offer more than simply playing 4231 and hoping we will find a way through. We don?t have any variation and possession means nothing.

A county fan at work with me (and genuinely a nice bloke who isn?t offensive about town) simply said to me earlier this week ?everyone knows how cook is going to play and teams will all set up against that?.

It ok to criticise cook and the tactics, and it?s ok to say that players who were solid at national league are now being found out. Cook has to find a solution.

[Siberian Spireite]

We thoroughly deserved that result for all of the ingenuity and commitment we showed today.

[Spireiteboy155]

Exharboroughspireite, on 16 November 2024 - 06:41 PM, said:

When I say clear out I think we all can see the players who are - for whatever reason - are not L2 standard. I am a huge fan of cook but he needs to offer more than simply playing 4231 and hoping we will find a way through. We don?t have any variation and possession means nothing.

A county fan at work with me (and genuinely a nice bloke who isn?t offensive about town) simply said to me earlier this week ?everyone knows how cook is going to play and teams will all set up against that?.

It ok to criticise cook and the tactics, and it?s ok to say that players who were solid at national league are now being found out. Cook has to find a solution.

Agreed, we can see which players are struggling.
The disappointing thing is that the vast majority of them could have been released but were given new contracts. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Spireiteboy155]

Exharboroughspireite, on 16 November 2024 - 06:41 PM, said:

When I say clear out I think we all can see the players who are - for whatever reason - are not L2 standard. I am a huge fan of cook but he needs to offer more than simply playing 4231 and hoping we will find a way through. We don?t have any variation and possession means nothing.

A county fan at work with me (and genuinely a nice bloke who isn?t offensive about town) simply said to me earlier this week ?everyone knows how cook is going to play and teams will all set up against that?.

It ok to criticise cook and the tactics, and it?s ok to say that players who were solid at national league are now being found out. Cook has to find a solution.

I like Cook but he?s very limited as a manager.
Let?s be brutally honest here, there?s reasons why he?s managing at the level that he?s at and not at the top end of L1 / championship.

He?s far from a tactical master. He?s limited and stubborn and to an extent that works. But you get found out at some point.

To be perfectly clear, that is in no way me suggesting that he shouldn?t be here.

[spireitetoo]

Not read the thread, really don't want to, but did their 2nd goal hit the ref in the build up, ??

We're they still selling tickets to town fans from the hatch outside the ground.

And why do we look so leggy so early in the season, they looked faster and stronger all over the pitch as did accy last week.

This post has been edited by spireitetoo: 16 November 2024 - 06:58 PM

[Exharboroughspireite]

It?s good to read a thread where people are being genuinely objective and pointing out the problems without going over the top.

[gordon_brittas]

Things have not been right since we played Horsham. To be honest, we were poor that day, and if we were playing a National League side we would have probably lost.

Too many players out of form.
Too many influencial players out injured.
Too naive, going for the Hollywood pass when Row Z would do.
Too many players no matter how hard they try just not good enough ability wise for this league.
Too reliant on tactics that don?t work against bus parking 11 elite.

We need a change of luck or tactics to get us going again, or sad to say it we will be finishing probably a similar position to the likes of Bromley, Harrogate and Accrington in this league.

[rodney]

Chesterfield247, on 16 November 2024 - 04:51 PM, said:

I think if it doesn't change possession then it can carry on.

Wrong

[Middle East]

I had a lovely day out in Harrogate, only spoilt by a football match, a speeding ticket and bumping into Walton three times....I'm not putting a lottery ticket on tonight that's for sure!

[azul]

Spireiteboy155, on 16 November 2024 - 06:49 PM, said:

I like Cook but he?s very limited as a manager.
Let?s be brutally honest here, there?s reasons why he?s managing at the level that he?s at and not at the top end of L1 / championship.

He?s far from a tactical master. He?s limited and stubborn and to an extent that works. But you get found out at some point.

To be perfectly clear, that is in no way me suggesting that he shouldn?t be here.

I'm not sure what you are saying in that case

Exharboroughspireite, on 16 November 2024 - 06:58 PM, said:

It?s good to read a thread where people are being genuinely objective and pointing out the problems without going over the top.

We are reading different threads in that case.

[philly8mt]

My biggest question today after why did I go and stand in the home end to watch that is ?. What on earth was that free kick routine in the first half???? We?ve got Oldaker who has scored a few lovely free kicks and we do that?

The ref may have been tosh, but he?s not the first and he certainly won?t be the last. We have to be the best we can to try and win the game regardless, didn?t see that today though

[Bluekent]

Spireiteboy155, on 16 November 2024 - 06:49 PM, said:

I like Cook but he?s very limited as a manager.
Let?s be brutally honest here, there?s reasons why he?s managing at the level that he?s at and not at the top end of L1 / championship.

He?s far from a tactical master. He?s limited and stubborn and to an extent that works. But you get found out at some point.

To be perfectly clear, that is in no way me suggesting that he shouldn?t be here.

Let?s be brutally honest? Nah , it maybe your brutally honest opinion but the vast majority don?t share it , we?ve had 2 poor games. He needs to change things up. No doubt. Injuries aren?t helping at this moment. It?s not always plain sailing under Cooky , he is stubborn , we do have moments where we scratch our heads . But most of the time we come out of it a very very good side. Never known a fanbase throw the towel In after just 2 defeats on the bounce. It?s embarrassing to see. You?ll no doubt be calling for a bit of fight but where is yours? We need to be more intense (especially at home) but good god get a grip.

[HaslandBlue58]

Goku, on 16 November 2024 - 04:56 PM, said:

Dobra absolute joke today. Markanday done nowt. Mandy literally cannot pass a ball forward without over hitting it and goes backwards constantly. Banks why the f**k is he still starting games in CM.

When your three behind the striker are all having stinkers then it?s not a good sign. To leave it until 75th minute to change is sh**e. Refs constantly making poor decisions leading to goals doesn?t help either. Crap by Cook.

Please make sure Dobra doesn?t start the next game, don?t want to see him for a bit now.

Making a few good points there, what's the saying about keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome?

[Fit as a Nelson]

jack bauer, on 16 November 2024 - 06:25 PM, said:

said before i don't see a clear out in january to be honest, and in reality we're not far off (today was poor yes), but we're not finding it as easy as last year and never were we going to.

This little run does seem to happen at times under cook were we have spells of results that go against us, i even seem to recall in our league 1 play off season we went on a poor run, cook will find a way and we'll be ok, by which i mean talk of relegation i find laughable, i don't see us being top 3 and never did but i still think come the end of the season (which is miles off yet) we will be in and around the play offs.

Yes, he shoved Jimmy Ryan out on to the right wing to make space for Oscar Gobern to play alongside Morsy. Which was clear to everyone it wasn?t working, but it took a fair few games for things to change.

[dan archer is our leader]

Let's be fair here if the ref does his job and we get a point all opinions change although we were poor. We all make mistakes but a ref who doesn't know the rules.

[Benno Spire]

A few points from today the Harrogate bench constantly in fourth official?s face but that was ok, cook said something once and was booked and the ref appeared his slow walk over to book him.Harrogate players shirt pulling and leaving foot in and ref was OK with that, Harrogate player fell over and it?s a free kickGreat tackle by Dobra and free kick given which led to their goal, although we should have defended the rebound better.Ball hits referee, should blow for a drop ball, saw it went to a Harrogate player so played on.I initially thought back pass at the end but as he used his thigh apparently that is allowed.I also thought some players neshed some challenges and we kept getting out muscled. Overall a bad day at the office and we need to bounce back next week.