[DerbySpireite59]

Exharboroughspireite, on 16 November 2024 - 07:29 PM, said:

That?s not true. On the Harrogate thread people - including myself - are saying there needs to be a clear out of players who are not suited to L2 football as opposed to national league. This is miles away from the claim of revolving door scenario.

Had we won our last two games, as we were clear favourites to, we'd be joint 3rd, 5 points off top and unbeaten at home.

Would you have still been clamouring for a clearout?

Cookie said after yesterday's match, that "some players were idling". Implying generally, not just yesterday.

"A few" is 3, or more.

"Idling" is lack of self motivation, and can't be coached.

Watch this space.

[rodney]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

Had we won our last two games, as we were clear favourites to, we'd be joint 3rd, 5 points off top and unbeaten at home.

Would you have still been clamouring for a clearout?

Cookie said after yesterday's match, that "some players were idling". Implying generally, not just yesterday.

"A few" is 3, or more.

"Idling" is lack of self motivation, and can't be coached.

Watch this space.

Not sure I totally agree. Idling can be managed though, if not coached.

[Osborne again]

I certainly don't agree with the school of thought that says every manager has sussed Cook's way of playing, and they just set up accordingly. If they didn't set up to counter his style of play they'd be very very poor indeed. Form and injuries are playing their part in how things are going at the moment. Paul Cook doesn?t have a go at his players for nothing, and even I can see things aren't right at the moment. I wonder if Pep will change how Man City set up, or have a massive clear out come the New Year, erm no he won't.
We'll get back to winning ways, and Cook will have them firing on all cylinders.

[azul]

Osborne again, on 17 November 2024 - 12:48 PM, said:

I certainly don't agree with the school of thought that says every manager has sussed Cook's way of playing, and they just set up accordingly. If they didn't set up to counter his style of play they'd be very very poor indeed. Form and injuries are playing their part in how things are going at the moment. Paul Cook doesn?t have a go at his players for nothing, and even I can see things aren't right at the moment. I wonder if Pep will change how Man City set up, or have a massive clear out come the New Year, erm no he won't.
We'll get back to winning ways, and Cook will have them firing on all cylinders.

Same here. I just don't think our players are consistently good enough for it to be successful all the time. It is dead easy to match our style when we move it so slowly and it makes us sitting ducks. All getting on at the players will succeed in doing is make them more cautious and then they'll move even slower.

I don't get what Cook has been doing though in the last two games with his subs. Webb in the interview said that in Cook's opinion that first 20 minutes in the second half was the worst one of his teams has ever played and to the last 15 to make chaotic wholesale changes. He did the same last week after delaying the subs but al least we were 0-3 down and it was the last throw of the dice. Up to the last two games I thought he was getting good with his substitutions. He seems to be chucking his methods out the window.

[dim view]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

Had we won our last two games, as we were clear favourites to, we'd be joint 3rd, 5 points off top and unbeaten at home.

Would you have still been clamouring for a clearout?

Cookie said after yesterday's match, that "some players were idling". Implying generally, not just yesterday.

"A few" is 3, or more.

"Idling" is lack of self motivation, and can't be coached.

Watch this space.

Watched the whole match and I think he's referring to Banks, whose legs have gone when it comes to a 13km CM stint. Banks is very self motivated but he can't play that position any more. Solving the problem before the transfer window is not easy.

[spireitetoo]

dim view, on 17 November 2024 - 02:14 PM, said:

Watched the whole match and I think he's referring to Banks, whose legs have gone when it comes to a 13km CM stint. Banks is very self motivated but he can't play that position any more. Solving the problem before the transfer window is not easy.

Didn't Banks have a stint as CB whilst at Barrow, why not start him there, and move naylor forward into his natural position?

[Blue5]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

Had we won our last two games, as we were clear favourites to, we'd be joint 3rd, 5 points off top and unbeaten at home.

Would you have still been clamouring for a clearout?

Cookie said after yesterday's match, that "some players were idling". Implying generally, not just yesterday.

"A few" is 3, or more.

"Idling" is lack of self motivation, and can't be coached.

Watch this space.

I wonder what is actually meant by a clear out. Do they want to clear out the players who haven't been featuring to enable us to bring new players in to replace the ones who have been playing?

For me, the last thing we want is more new faces unless we get to a stage where there is no alternative. We need a break from all these injures which in turn will hopefully give us a bit of balance and a relatively settled starting 11. Seeing as it's approaching Christmas, I'm going to be greedy and ask to see some of the officials liven the frig up too.

[Wooden Spoon]

Osborne again, on 17 November 2024 - 12:48 PM, said:

I certainly don't agree with the school of thought that says every manager has sussed Cook's way of playing, and they just set up accordingly. If they didn't set up to counter his style of play they'd be very very poor indeed. Form and injuries are playing their part in how things are going at the moment. Paul Cook doesn?t have a go at his players for nothing, and even I can see things aren't right at the moment. I wonder if Pep will change how Man City set up, or have a massive clear out come the New Year, erm no he won't.
We'll get back to winning ways, and Cook will have them firing on all cylinders.

Webb summed it up didn?t he. Those organised teams who do the basics well are better at this level than the organised teams who do the basics well in the national league.

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 17 November 2024 - 05:01 PM

[Osborne again]

dim view, on 17 November 2024 - 02:14 PM, said:

Watched the whole match and I think he's referring to Banks, whose legs have gone when it comes to a 13km CM stint. Banks is very self motivated but he can't play that position any more. Solving the problem before the transfer window is not easy.

Ollie needs to be playing at, either, number 10, or just in front of the anchor where he can be effective. He isn't a defensive midfielder but injuries have played their part in how he's used. Last season Naylor played in front of DJ or Mike Jones, and that role would be perfect for Ollie Banks.

[azul]

spireitetoo, on 17 November 2024 - 02:42 PM, said:

Didn't Banks have a stint as CB whilst at Barrow, why not start him there, and move naylor forward into his natural position?

He had a stint at CB against Accrington when Cook went all out attack but I?m not sure that is the way forward.

[dim view]

Wooden Spoon, on 17 November 2024 - 04:59 PM, said:

Webb summed it up didn?t he. Those organised teams who do the basics well are better at this level than the organised teams who do the basics well in the national league.

Yep, basics. Two concessions from 22 yard free kicks in two games. Two parries by our goalie to a goal scorer in two games. I have a vague recollection of a 3rd parry also being turned home but their player was offside, but that may actually just have been a nightmare. Back to the drawing board for Webby, both offensive and defensive. Attention to detail is sadly lacking. Tom Naylor is a great player, but is he a great captain?

[Bonnyman]

spireitetoo, on 17 November 2024 - 02:42 PM, said:

Didn't Banks have a stint as CB whilst at Barrow, why not start him there, and move naylor forward into his natural position?

Jesus he can?t head a ball and can?t tackle a fish supper and has zero physicality

[Osborne again]

dim view, on 17 November 2024 - 10:39 PM, said:

Yep, basics. Two concessions from 22 yard free kicks in two games. Two parries by our goalie to a goal scorer in two games. I have a vague recollection of a 3rd parry also being turned home but their player was offside, but that may actually just have been a nightmare. Back to the drawing board for Webby, both offensive and defensive. Attention to detail is sadly lacking. Tom Naylor is a great player, but is he a great captain?

Goalkeepers,in the past,would turn the ball around the post if it wasn't catchable, but even the best seem to push the ball back into the six yard box where he's banking on his defenders to hoof it away. I'd rather defend a corner than conceded a goal, so I know which I would do, and I wouldn't parry the ball back into the box.

[rodney]

Bonnyman, on 17 November 2024 - 11:00 PM, said:

Jesus he can?t head a ball and can?t tackle a fish supper and has zero physicality

Totally agree. He?s not a CM never mind a CB

[Goku]

spireitetoo, on 17 November 2024 - 02:42 PM, said:

Didn't Banks have a stint as CB whilst at Barrow, why not start him there, and move naylor forward into his natural position?

Up there with when you said we should give Liz Truss a chance mate 😅

[danblue]

azul, on 17 November 2024 - 10:08 PM, said:

He had a stint at CB against Accrington when Cook went all out attack but I?m not sure that is the way forward.

I'd love to see a 45mins of that - just to see how it would pan out 😁

[born in 1866]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

Had we won our last two games, as we were clear favourites to, we'd be joint 3rd, 5 points off top and unbeaten at home.

Would you have still been clamouring for a clearout?

Cookie said after yesterday's match, that "some players were idling". Implying generally, not just yesterday.

"A few" is 3, or more.

"Idling" is lack of self motivation, and can't be coached.

Watch this space.

I took idling as just tcking over. Don't think there's a word idling with the meanings you are referring to.

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 17 November 2024 - 11:00 PM, said:

Jesus he can?t head a ball and can?t tackle a fish supper and has zero physicality

And yet he took Oldaker off, not Banks. There's summat that us armchair managers aren't cottoning on to here.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 18 November 2024 - 12:03 PM, said:

And yet he took Oldaker off, not Banks. There's summat that us armchair managers aren't cottoning on to here.

To be fair, it was Banks long pass that set Berry up for his goal.

[rodney]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 November 2024 - 12:04 PM, said:

To be fair, it was Banks long pass that set Berry up for his goal.

A bit generous. Yes. It was banks? pass but Berry made the goal all
By himself. I?ll stick with my view, he isn?t good enough to play CM. He wasn?t in national league and isn?t in league 2.