[Derbysbirnnbred]

lindo-spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 04:42 PM, said:

Bet you hundred quid we aren?t back in the national league or bottom two come Xmas

How is cooky going to stop the rott?

[Town_Fan]

Westbars Spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:37 PM, said:

My patience is out with him right now. Might mellow but probably not. Colclough wasn't impressed with him failing to play him in down the right when we won the corner which they broke and scored from.

Ryan "side netting" Colclough has been much worse than Dobs. Woeful this season. Him getting sent down might do us a favour.

[Search & Destroy]

At least Morecambe lost today

[clarevoyant.]

Simple question. If it wasn't for shear incompetency ( surely he knew the rule) would we have got a point?

His 2nd appearance in the EFL, he'll be having a rough few days after that shocker

Another letter of apology incoming. That'll put things right

[Nickycw]

MrTall, on 16 November 2024 - 05:23 PM, said:

It's a sorry state of affairs if a midfielder is considered a better centre half than an actual centre half.

Been saying this for ages. Questionable squad building that we?d rather ruin the midfield than play an actual recognised CB

[MrTall]

Hibbo98, on 16 November 2024 - 05:41 PM, said:

Absolute nothing game that. Draw would have been fair as neither team were up to much. Can anyone tell me why there wasn?t a drop ball in the lead up to their winner?

Apparently possession didn't change when it hit him, so play carries on.

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:37 PM, said:

My patience is out with him right now. Might mellow but probably not. Colclough wasn't impressed with him failing to play him in down the right when we won the corner which they broke and scored from.

He's been doing that for two years

But why single out players for special criticism after a team and management performance like that is bewildering.

[Westbars Spireite]

Town_Fan, on 16 November 2024 - 05:43 PM, said:

Ryan "side netting" Colclough has been much worse than Dobs. Woeful this season. Him getting sent down might do us a favour.

Neither have been what they can be that's for sure.

azul, on 16 November 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

He's been doing that for two years

But why single out players for special criticism after a team and management performance like that is bewildering.

Because his antics were everything we didn't need. His lying down (uninjured as usual) whilst we attempted to play with 10 men was embarrassing.

[clarevoyant.]

Hibbo98, on 16 November 2024 - 05:41 PM, said:

Absolute nothing game that. Draw would have been fair as neither team were up to much. Can anyone tell me why there wasn?t a drop ball in the lead up to their winner?

Brain freeze. A bit like that p...k Corlett at Wembley

[Looker-on]

clarevoyant., on 16 November 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

Simple question. If it wasn't for shear incompetency ( surely he knew the rule) would we have got a point?

His 2nd appearance in the EFL, he'll be having a rough few days after that shocker

Another letter of apology incoming. That'll put things right

Sh*t reffing doesn't help, but on today's showing, we'd have found another way to concede in the limited time available.

[dtp]

Not watched the game but disappointed with the result. I never expected promotion this season like some of our more optimistic fans but, nevertheless, feel we should be capable of not throwing points away like we do.

Personally, I have always felt that whatever the injury situation is one should always play your better players in their best positions. As such, Naylor should always be played in centre midfield where we have not looked anything like whilst ever he has been played at CB. Whether or not Williams and Grimes are a good fit is irrelevant, they are both CBs and we have no better on the books whilst all other CBs are injured. It is possible to keep them less exposed just by stopping the full backs bombing on as much as they do.

The four in front of the two look very lightweight at times but by allowing Quigley to move on has reduced our CF options down to two and one of those would be better played centrally in the three. Similarly, it would be either Dobra or Markanday for me but not both at the same time. We are not the biggest side in the first place and have virtually no aerial threat at all in the current set up. Mandeville has not hit any heights this season, neither has Colclough or Banks. Has any of those three scored yet?

So, we are a squad at the development stage in a higher league and at times it shows. Clearly we are missing certain injured players and the balance is not right but Cook has a certain way of playing and his Plan B is normally the same as his Plan A but with different personnel. Whether or not he supplements the squad to improve the quality of his Plan A & B or looks to create a different option remains to be seen.

The main thing now is that having lost 2 games on the bounce this does not continue as confidence can soon be lost too. It has to be back to the drawing board and an admittance from the management that currently (1) teams are finding it too easy to defend against us and (2) too easy to break against us. I would suggest tactical tweaks could sort both issues out but we might have to accept this could result in a reduction in the possession statistics. However, possession statistics do not always produce wins as has been witnessed at home throughout the season.

[lindo-spireite]

Maccblue, on 16 November 2024 - 05:43 PM, said:

How is cooky going to stop the rott?

Hopefully moving Naylor back into midfield when Dunkley returns, Harvey along side him, drop dobra, if banks plays it?s in the 10, berry on the left and markandy on the right, rotate grigg and madden.

Hopefully that gets us through to Jan in and around the play offs, then ask the lovely Kirk?s if we can pay off some of the conference players that?s aren?t good enough and strengthen, if there?s no takers for them.

It?s frustrating but I?ve accepted this season is about transition, cookie mentioned early doors it?s important not to grow too quickly as a club, which is why I think we?ve brought a few loans in whilst we still have some of last seasons players under contract.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Watched it and let?s be honest. Really honest. Teams have found us out. We are brilliant in possession but create little. Teams now line up knowing we will play in front of them. Possession means nothing if you don?t create. Please can we have a plan B. I expect a clear out at January and certainly the end of the year.

[60s 70s Spireite]

MrTall, on 16 November 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

Apparently possession didn't change when it hit him, so play carries on.

The law says dropped ball if, amongst others, a promising attack starts. So I suppose the question is did it start before the ball hit the ref or after?

[Westbars Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:58 PM, said:

The law says dropped ball if, amongst others, a promising attack starts. So I suppose the question is did it start before the ball hit the ref or after?

They were breaking with the ball and it was a forward pass that hit him.

[Mr Mercury]

MrTall, on 16 November 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

Apparently possession didn't change when it hit him, so play carries on.

Apparently the ball hitting the ref and leading to a promising attack is a reason to stop play. The hit from the ref held the ball up lovely for the Harrogate player from what was a much harder punt forward. 100% should have been stopped in my view. Saying that again we were poor, a lack of intensity and ideas.
I?m not a big believer in the we?ve been found out mantra against Cook, he?s regularly won titles and reached play offs and play off finals playing the same way and I doubt it?s changed for years so managers know from the get go what we?ll play like. What surprises me of late is the lack of controlled urgency when going forward, it?s far to slow and one paced and with players such as Berry, Mandeville, Coco, Dobra and Markandy on the pitch at different times, that?s hard to understand.
Maybe we?ve all been away from L2 for that long we?ve misjudged it, Cook included, but I still think we?ve a shout at the play offs but this is probably turning into a season of transition more that we all realised.
Things will change in January and certainly in the summer so in the meantime im still happy to see us back as a EFL club and im not looking over my shoulder im still eyeing 5-7 place.
Just to add once again im going to say that Tyrer not returning as been a bigger blow than many thought.

[Alice Cooper]

clarevoyant., on 16 November 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

Simple question. If it wasn't for shear incompetency ( surely he knew the rule) would we have got a point?

His 2nd appearance in the EFL, he'll be having a rough few days after that shocker

Another letter of apology incoming. That'll put things right

It's time referees were held accountable for their actions but we all know that's never going to happen.

[Maddog Tannen]

Lincs Spireite, on 16 November 2024 - 05:29 PM, said:

Port Vale are running away with it on similar budget. A big strong pacy outfit who will take some stopping. We could do with some pace and strength in our team and perhaps in January we will sort it out.

Vale had nothing like our budget spending circa 400,000 alone on Stockley,Tolaj and Paton plus Byers from Wednesday and several others. Plus they were dreadful today at Morecambe but somehow scraped a win

This post has been edited by Maddog Tannen: 16 November 2024 - 06:08 PM

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 16 November 2024 - 06:02 PM, said:

Apparently the ball hitting the ref and leading to a promising attack is a reason to stop play. The hit from the ref held the ball up lovely for the Harrogate player from what was a much harder punt forward. 100% should have been stopped in my view. Saying that again we were poor, a lack of intensity and ideas.
I?m not a big believer in the we?ve been found out mantra against Cook, he?s regularly won titles and reached play offs and play off finals playing the same way and I doubt it?s changed for years so managers know from the get go what we?ll play like. What surprises me of late is the lack of controlled urgency when going forward, it?s far to slow and one paced and with players such as Berry, Mandeville, Coco, Dobra and Markandy on the pitch at different times, that?s hard to understand.
Maybe we?ve all been away from L2 for that long we?ve misjudged it, Cook included, but I still think we?ve a shout at the play offs but this is probably turning into a season of transition more that we all realised.
Things will change in January and certainly in the summer so in the meantime im still happy to see us back as a EFL club and im not looking over my shoulder im still eyeing 5-7 place.
Just to add once again im going to say that Tyrer not returning as been a bigger blow than many thought.

The lack of urgency going forward is something that seems to inflict us from time to time and as soon as that happens out style of play looks awful. It happened a fair bit last year especially in the last third of the season. So I agree with you about this being found out stuff. Obviously if a team closes us down quickly we have to move it quicker and if we do we pick teams apart.

However I though Boot was about the only player to come out of today with any credit whatsoever.

[azul]

I'm sure I heard Cook on 1866 explaining the reason for not making subs earlier was that the players got us into that mess and he wanted to give them an opportunity to get us out of it. I hope I misheard that because that is madness.