[dtp]

I have been a little surprised that I have not seen a thread started regarding this absolutely disgusting murder of a poor innocent child.

The more I read about it the more sick I feel. What sort of monster behaves in such a way as to put a hot iron on a child?s buttocks, hood her, beat her with a cricket bat and iron bar yet claim he did not intentionally kill her? I cannot believe that family members appear to have turned a blind eye to these goings on either.

I know he is entitled to a fair trial but, realistically, he is as guilty as hell. It is when I read of such atrocities that I really do wonder why we keep such monsters in prison for the rest of their lives at such enormous cost to the taxpayer.

[calvin plummers socks]

There doesn?t have to be a thread about every crime or tragedy.

This is a particularly upsetting case though. Horrendous.

[Goku]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 05:12 PM, said:

I have been a little surprised that I have not seen a thread started regarding this absolutely disgusting murder of a poor innocent child.

The more I read about it the more sick I feel. What sort of monster behaves in such a way as to put a hot iron on a child?s buttocks, hood her, beat her with a cricket bat and iron bar yet claim he did not intentionally kill her? I cannot believe that family members appear to have turned a blind eye to these goings on either.

I know he is entitled to a fair trial but, realistically, he is as guilty as hell. It is when I read of such atrocities that I really do wonder why we keep such monsters in prison for the rest of their lives at such enormous cost to the taxpayer.

Here is the video I always link whenever somebody mentions the death penalty: https://youtu.be/L30...HKdbOmQApFS4eWZ


It?s 40 minutes but a very good explanation of why the death penalty shouldn?t be a thing. You may disagree by the end but it?s well-reasoned at least.

(Also yes, horrific crime)

This post has been edited by Goku: 15 November 2024 - 05:54 PM

[azul]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 05:12 PM, said:

I have been a little surprised that I have not seen a thread started regarding this absolutely disgusting murder of a poor innocent child.

The more I read about it the more sick I feel. What sort of monster behaves in such a way as to put a hot iron on a child?s buttocks, hood her, beat her with a cricket bat and iron bar yet claim he did not intentionally kill her? I cannot believe that family members appear to have turned a blind eye to these goings on either.

I know he is entitled to a fair trial but, realistically, he is as guilty as hell. It is when I read of such atrocities that I really do wonder why we keep such monsters in prison for the rest of their lives at such enormous cost to the taxpayer.

Here is another chilling murder(s), two young boys with machetes

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c5ym7g5dx50o

This post has been edited by azul: 15 November 2024 - 06:19 PM

[dtp]

 Goku, on 15 November 2024 - 05:53 PM, said:

Here is the video I always link whenever somebody mentions the death penalty: https://youtu.be/L30...HKdbOmQApFS4eWZ


It?s 40 minutes but a very good explanation of why the death penalty shouldn?t be a thing. You may disagree by the end but it?s well-reasoned at least.

(Also yes, horrific crime)

Goku, there will always be reasons for and against everything and anything.

However, boiled down, I would not willingly give scum like these one penny out of my purse but I am forced to contribute more than that month in month out as a taxpayer. Our prisons are full because we choose to keep such creatures for the rest of their lives. It might go against the grain, I do not need to watch your video, I would introduce the death penalty tomorrow for the likes of this type of cruelty and killing. In fact, a quick death would be too good for some of them like this one.

If you do not believe in the death penalty how about a punishment which assimilates the crime committed such as putting a hood over his head and beating him with a cricket bat after he has had his bottom scorched with a red hot iron. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 05:12 PM, said:

I have been a little surprised that I have not seen a thread started regarding this absolutely disgusting murder of a poor innocent child.

The more I read about it the more sick I feel. What sort of monster behaves in such a way as to put a hot iron on a child?s buttocks, hood her, beat her with a cricket bat and iron bar yet claim he did not intentionally kill her? I cannot believe that family members appear to have turned a blind eye to these goings on either.

I know he is entitled to a fair trial but, realistically, he is as guilty as hell. It is when I read of such atrocities that I really do wonder why we keep such monsters in prison for the rest of their lives at such enormous cost to the taxpayer.

You used the right word, Dave.

Monster.

It's one of those cases too disturbing to even contemplate at any length.

And it's a natural human reaction to want to inflict equally horrific punishment upon the perpetrator.

My own thought though, as the topic's taken a turn in that direction, is not plumbing those depths elevates us as a society to a higher level than that...

[dtp]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 15 November 2024 - 06:54 PM, said:

You used the right word, Dave.

Monster.

It's one of those cases too disturbing to even contemplate at any length.

And it's a natural human reaction to want to inflict equally horrific punishment upon the perpetrator.

My own thought though, as the topic's taken a turn in that direction, is not plumbing those depths elevates us as a society to a higher level than that...

Not a problem, Chris.

Let us just keep chucking a minimum of ?50k a year at it per prisoner. Now, let us think, if that is for only 25 years it is only ?1.25 million bare minimum at present day costs. Now how many such monsters are we looking after?

Far better to rob our pensioners and let them freeze to death at the rate of 4000 a year. No problem with plumbing those depths.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 07:29 PM, said:

Not a problem, Chris.

Let us just keep chucking a minimum of ?50k a year at it per prisoner. Now, let us think, if that is for only 25 years it is only ?1.25 million bare minimum at present day costs. Now how many such monsters are we looking after?

Far better to rob our pensioners and let them freeze to death at the rate of 4000 a year. No problem with plumbing those depths.

Please don't do this, Dave.

Make a legitimate discussion political.

The death penalty debate isn't about money, it's about morals. It's finality. It's falibilities. Evolving as a society.

Remembering there're different levels to even murder, too.

And where do we draw the line if you're judging who should be imprisoned or not because of cost?

I've no problem seeing filth like this suffer decades of the worst possible conditions. Indeed it might alternatively be argued a painless needle is the easy way out...

[Goku]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 06:45 PM, said:

Goku, there will always be reasons for and against everything and anything.

However, boiled down, I would not willingly give scum like these one penny out of my purse but I am forced to contribute more than that month in month out as a taxpayer. Our prisons are full because we choose to keep such creatures for the rest of their lives. It might go against the grain, I do not need to watch your video, I would introduce the death penalty tomorrow for the likes of this type of cruelty and killing. In fact, a quick death would be too good for some of them like this one.

If you do not believe in the death penalty how about a punishment which assimilates the crime committed such as putting a hood over his head and beating him with a cricket bat after he has had his bottom scorched with a red hot iron. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

You?d really benefit from watching the video, I shall say no more as I?ve done the topic to death (lol) on here.

[dtp]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 15 November 2024 - 07:47 PM, said:

Please don't do this, Dave.

Make a legitimate discussion political.

The death penalty debate isn't about money, it's about morals. It's finality. It's falibilities. Evolving as a society.

Remembering there're different levels to even murder, too.

And where do we draw the line if you're judging who should be imprisoned or not because of cost?

I've no problem seeing filth like this suffer decades of the worst possible conditions. Indeed it might alternatively be argued a painless needle is the easy way out...

Was it not a political decision to have abolished the death penalty?

If it was not your first sentence adds up. If it was your first sentence does not add up.

Whether or not a monster is imprisoned because of cost is not the argument either but an example of what it does cost to imprison them.

Obviously, there are different levels of murder but child cruelty coupled with murder is about as bad as it gets next to terrorist related acts such as has happened quite recently.

So, to your final sentence having no problem with such filth suffering decades of the worst possible conditions. Do they actually suffer that in this so liberal day and age we have brought about?

[trickytrevsfanclub]

 Goku, on 15 November 2024 - 08:11 PM, said:

<br />You?d really benefit from watching the video, I shall say no more as I?ve done the topic to death (lol) on here.<br />

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I?m torn on the subject of the DP. The murders of Sarah Sharif and the two young lads do make me think I?d like to see them strung up, but then what, we?ve stooped to their level. Prison for these animals, no not animals, animals don?t do things like this, these monsters should be harsh. When I say harsh I mean HARSH, basic tasteless food, cells with nothing but a bed, no tv, 30 mins outdoor exercise a day walking round a concrete yard. Hard monotonous labour 12 hrs every day, no days off, solitary confinement. Basically let them stew in what they?ve done all day and everyday until it drives them insane and they save us all a fortune by stringing themselves up.

[oldgoat]

 dtp, on 15 November 2024 - 05:12 PM, said:

I have been a little surprised that I have not seen a thread started regarding this absolutely disgusting murder of a poor innocent child.

The more I read about it the more sick I feel. What sort of monster behaves in such a way as to put a hot iron on a child?s buttocks, hood her, beat her with a cricket bat and iron bar yet claim he did not intentionally kill her? I cannot believe that family members appear to have turned a blind eye to these goings on either.

I know he is entitled to a fair trial but, realistically, he is as guilty as hell. It is when I read of such atrocities that I really do wonder why we keep such monsters in prison for the rest of their lives at such enormous cost to the taxpayer.

At least spell her name right

[dtp]

 oldgoat, on 16 November 2024 - 04:39 AM, said:

At least spell her name right

I will blame my computers auto spell check.

But, really, is that all you can contribute?

[isleaiw1]

 trickytrevsfanclub, on 15 November 2024 - 10:01 PM, said:

<br /><br /><br />
I?m torn on the subject of the DP. The murders of Sarah Sharif and the two young lads do make me think I?d like to see them strung up, but then what, we?ve stooped to their level. Prison for these animals, no not animals, animals don?t do things like this, these monsters should be harsh. When I say harsh I mean HARSH, basic tasteless food, cells with nothing but a bed, no tv, 30 mins outdoor exercise a day walking round a concrete yard. Hard monotonous labour 12 hrs every day, no days off, solitary confinement. Basically let them stew in what they?ve done all day and everyday until it drives them insane and they save us all a fortune by stringing themselves up.

I am of the view that killing them would be too quick and simple for the pain they have given to others, and the main people to suffer are their family.

The reality is there would be years of fighting, court cases, legal battles, and other costs way higher than the cost of maintaining them.

I would make prison productive... and the worse the crime, the worse your productive job. Not sure of how it would work but got to be better than making lawyers rich...

[Wooden Spoon]

 isleaiw1, on 16 November 2024 - 10:29 PM, said:

I am of the view that killing them would be too quick and simple for the pain they have given to others, and the main people to suffer are their family.

The reality is there would be years of fighting, court cases, legal battles, and other costs way higher than the cost of maintaining them.

I would make prison productive... and the worse the crime, the worse your productive job. Not sure of how it would work but got to be better than making lawyers rich...

Prison on the island of South Georgia. 12 hour shifts are breaking rocks, clearing the old whaling station and harbour, with a diet of kelp soup 3 times a day. Cold showers. No welfare facilities. No way of escape from the island.


Obviously only for the very worst type of filth.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Wooden Spoon, on 17 November 2024 - 04:06 PM, said:

Prison on the island of South Georgia. 12 hour shifts are breaking rocks, clearing the old whaling station and harbour, with a diet of kelp soup 3 times a day. Cold showers. No welfare facilities. No way of escape from the island.


Obviously only for the very worst type of filth.

No arguing with this...

[dtp]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 17 November 2024 - 07:02 PM, said:

No arguing with this...

Now I could agree with that too but it will never happen.

[dtp]

It seems now that the trial of this monster will not take place in January and has been put back.

What on earth is going on here?

[Search & Destroy]

It?s sickening

How did the school not raise the alarm?

Police, social services, school should all shoulder the blame and prosecutions should follow

[spireitetoo]

This poor child knew nothing but pain from beatings her entire life, and from both parents, let's hope the inmates of whichever prison these scumbags get sent to, have a cricket bat available to them..