[s42blue]

Goku, on 10 November 2024 - 08:30 AM, said:

We should play more like Liverpool and sign a striker who is tall, quick, powerful and a good finisher. Any more tips for Cook, bonnyman?

Salah is OoC in the Summer.

[Burgerman]

Bonnyman, on 10 November 2024 - 07:55 AM, said:

You see that?s the problem , nobody doubts Griggs ability to score goals , he is the king of the 6 yard box, but he can?t run in behind and stretch teams, for a manager who supports Liverpool we never ever counter attack,like they do and flood the oppositions half quickly, bizarre, I think he is a secret city fan

Do you think Cook isn?t capable enough to build this team? I know you see yourself as a competent manager, over the years you ha been very critical of Cook, would you agree that your knowledge of the game is better than his or are you like the rest of us armchair coaches?

[dtp]

Burgerman, on 10 November 2024 - 04:34 AM, said:

How do you think he played?

Any striker in any team in the world only plays as good as the service he is given.

The service yesterday did not exist. The play was slow, any crosses were poor, and I struggle to remember any chance being created for Will Grigg.

Oh! I forgot, the ref and the other men in black chose to ignore a blatant handball which would have given Grigg the opportunity to score from the penalty spot for the first time this season. Add that one to the few more we have been denied and Grigg would be well into double figures by now.

[CFC91]

Bonnyman, on 10 November 2024 - 07:55 AM, said:

You see that?s the problem , nobody doubts Griggs ability to score goals , he is the king of the 6 yard box, but he can?t run in behind and stretch teams, for a manager who supports Liverpool we never ever counter attack,like they do and flood the oppositions half quickly, bizarre, I think he is a secret city fan

Have you started early? Sunday club and all that

[Bonnyman]

Burgerman, on 10 November 2024 - 09:13 AM, said:

Do you think Cook isn?t capable enough to build this team? I know you see yourself as a competent manager, over the years you ha been very critical of Cook, would you agree that your knowledge of the game is better than his or are you like the rest of us armchair coaches?

I?d consider you a retard if you think that , I think cook is one of chesterfields greatest222 managers but I also realise he is a ruthless one who will get rid of players to achieve his goals , the formation cook plays is great but ihe is constantly moving the chess pieces to find his goal of championship football, this will mean awkward decisions , cook is a football manager he has to get the best out of them while they are here and advise them to get the best for themselves when he wants them to leave

Stick to smashed patties pal it?s what you know

Grigg was the best chess piece to get us out of non league football an international with no real injury history in a dog and duck league but the reality is Griggs is never ever suited to being a line striker in a 4231 formation and if you think that your wrong , cook knows it?s short termism I?m confident

This post has been edited by Bonnyman: 10 November 2024 - 10:44 AM

[Paragon of Virtue]

Bonnyman, on 10 November 2024 - 10:37 AM, said:

I?d consider you a retard if you think that , I think cook is one of chesterfields greatest2222 managers but I also realise he is a ruthless one who will get rid of players to achieve his goals , the formation cook plays is great but ihe is constantly moving the chess pieces to find his goal of championship football, this will mean awkward decisions , cook is a football manager he has to get the best out of them while they are here and advise them to get the best for themselves when he wants them to leave

Stick to smashed patties pal it?s what you know

Grigg was the best chess piece to get us out of non league football an international with no real injury history in a dog and duck league but the reality is Griggs is never ever suited to being a line striker in a 4231 formation and if you think that your wrong , cook knows it?s short termism I?m confident

In his peak at MK and Wigan he was playing the same position in the same formation as we do now...

[Bonnyman]

Paragon of Virtue, on 10 November 2024 - 10:50 AM, said:

In his peak at MK and Wigan he was playing the same position in the same formation as we do now...

Correct he isn?t going to change but he may stumble upon the correct personal within his budget, he plays good football he is a great manager but he hasn?t got a carte blanche to sign his dream players to achieve his goals

[Paragon of Virtue]

Bonnyman, on 10 November 2024 - 10:54 AM, said:

Correct he isn?t going to change but he may stumble upon the correct personal within his budget, he plays good football he is a great manager but he hasn?t got a carte blanche to sign his dream players to achieve his goals

I'm on about Grigg, he played on his own up top in a 4231 at his peak at MK and Wigan. Both sides were promoted to the championship and he scored over 20 goals on each occasion.

[HaslandBlue58]

dtp, on 10 November 2024 - 09:20 AM, said:

Any striker in any team in the world only plays as good as the service he is given.

The service yesterday did not exist. The play was slow, any crosses were poor, and I struggle to remember any chance being created for Will Grigg.

Oh! I forgot, the ref and the other men in black chose to ignore a blatant handball which would have given Grigg the opportunity to score from the penalty spot for the first time this season. Add that one to the few more we have been denied and Grigg would be well into double figures by now.

That describes what I saw.

[warfey is a spireite]

We need someone like jotta at notts,10 scored already, apparently he's a 16 yr old brother who's as tall and good

[Osborne again]

dtp, on 10 November 2024 - 09:20 AM, said:

Any striker in any team in the world only plays as good as the service he is given.

The service yesterday did not exist. The play was slow, any crosses were poor, and I struggle to remember any chance being created for Will Grigg.

Oh! I forgot, the ref and the other men in black chose to ignore a blatant handball which would have given Grigg the opportunity to score from the penalty spot for the first time this season. Add that one to the few more we have been denied and Grigg would be well into double figures by now.

Exactly mate,Grigg needs the supply to score. He's never going to burst into the box leaving his marker for dust, and nor is he going to leap above the centre back,planting the ball beyond the keeper's reach.
No matter what sort of striker we have,they need a supply, and if the supply had been better Will Grigg would have a few more goals than he has at the moment.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

The squad is and will continue to evolve.

First teams last season now not even bench warmers.

They'll be off in Jan meaning new faces arriving...

[Bonnyman]

Paragon of Virtue, on 10 November 2024 - 10:59 AM, said:

I'm on about Grigg, he played on his own up top in a 4231 at his peak at MK and Wigan. Both sides were promoted to the championship and he scored over 20 goals on each occasion.

Maybe so but he hasn?t got it in the locker to run in behind know and his goals since he arrived from a ball over the top or through the lines is zero a two way factor of him not being able to do it and us not doing it

[Bonnyman]

Bonnyman, on 10 November 2024 - 10:38 PM, said:

Maybe so but he hasn?t got it in the locker to run in behind now and his goals since he arrived from a ball over the top or through the lines is zero a two way factor of him not being able to do it and us not doing it

[RikShaw]

What's all the obsession with Grigg and his goal scoring abilities....am I missing something?
Grigg is one of the top scorers in L2, Chesterfield are the top scoring team.
It seems to me the problem isn't scoring goals, its the same as last season, keeping them out at the other end.
Yes, I know the defensive players are an improvement on last season but injuries are not helping however, even when the defence is at full strength we have been prone to the opposition running throught the centre of our midfield unchalleged, taking a pot-shot and scoring worldies (Swindon, Salford etc). For all Oldaker's & Bank's lovely passing, we are missing a 'terrier' in the middle aka younger Mike Jones. Maybe we are missing Nayor there or will this be Fleck's job when he's fit? Tomorrow night could be a good opportunity to experiment with a more 'aggressive' midfield? But as far as I'm concerned, its certainly not Will Grigg's goal scoring abilities.

[HaslandBlue58]

RikShaw, on 11 November 2024 - 10:56 AM, said:

What's all the obsession with Grigg and his goal scoring abilities....am I missing something?
Grigg is one of the top scorers in L2, Chesterfield are the top scoring team.
It seems to me the problem isn't scoring goals, its the same as last season, keeping them out at the other end.
Yes, I know the defensive players are an improvement on last season but injuries are not helping however, even when the defence is at full strength we have been prone to the opposition running throught the centre of our midfield unchalleged, taking a pot-shot and scoring worldies (Swindon, Salford etc). For all Oldaker's & Bank's lovely passing, we are missing a 'terrier' in the middle aka younger Mike Jones. Maybe we are missing Nayor there or will this be Fleck's job when he's fit? Tomorrow night could be a good opportunity to experiment with a more 'aggressive' midfield? But as far as I'm concerned, its certainly not Will Grigg's goal scoring abilities.

Exactly what I am seeing in all our home games.👍

[h again]

There's a certain justice in the criticism of Grigg, as admitted generally by his 'fox in the box' reputation. Thing is, put the ball anywhere near him in the box and he'll score regardless of how many defenders are trying to stop him.Not only is that a great talent, it frightens defences who put extra players on him and leave gaps elsewhere.
The problem is that we don't get it into the box enough, particularly at home. I exclude wild crosses sailing way over his head, which seems to be happening more and more.

[lindave]

RikShaw, on 11 November 2024 - 10:56 AM, said:

What's all the obsession with Grigg and his goal scoring abilities....am I missing something?
Grigg is one of the top scorers in L2, Chesterfield are the top scoring team.
It seems to me the problem isn't scoring goals, its the same as last season, keeping them out at the other end.
Yes, I know the defensive players are an improvement on last season but injuries are not helping however, even when the defence is at full strength we have been prone to the opposition running throught the centre of our midfield unchalleged, taking a pot-shot and scoring worldies (Swindon, Salford etc). For all Oldaker's & Bank's lovely passing, we are missing a 'terrier' in the middle aka younger Mike Jones. Maybe we are missing Nayor there or will this be Fleck's job when he's fit? Tomorrow night could be a good opportunity to experiment with a more 'aggressive' midfield? But as far as I'm concerned, its certainly not Will Grigg's goal scoring abilities.

Spot on.

[whittman]

Paragon of Virtue, on 10 November 2024 - 10:59 AM, said:

I'm on about Grigg, he played on his own up top in a 4231 at his peak at MK and Wigan. Both sides were promoted to the championship and he scored over 20 goals on each occasion.

from memory wasnt it Grigg that ran onto an over the top ball to score the goal that beat Man city in the FA Cup for Wigan?

[Osborne again]

h again, on 11 November 2024 - 12:22 PM, said:

There's a certain justice in the criticism of Grigg, as admitted generally by his 'fox in the box' reputation. Thing is, put the ball anywhere near him in the box and he'll score regardless of how many defenders are trying to stop him.Not only is that a great talent, it frightens defences who put extra players on him and leave gaps elsewhere.
The problem is that we don't get it into the box enough, particularly at home. I exclude wild crosses sailing way over his head, which seems to be happening more and more.

Exactly how I see it.