[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 09 November 2024 - 06:38 PM, said:

Remember, at the beginning of last season, when the authorities said they were going to properly add all the extra time needed to cover stoppages, resulting in 17 minutes for the second half in the first game of the season v Dorking?

How was there only 2 minutes added to the first half today? Long goal celebrations and the game stopped for injuries, (even though the physios didnt come on.)

Yes, the "properly adding of extra time" at the start of last season was mentioned a couple of weeks ago. It was an admission they weren't doing it correctly, clearly. They now revert to not doing it correctly again, why do we pay to watch 90 minutes football. Maybe the decision was made at a higher level, the governing bodies the TV companies, if 10/15 minutes were to be added they could lose a valuable advertising slot.

Anyway yesterday, now calm as been reached. Apologies to yesterday's 4th offical for proffered advice on time keeping. Based on speculation I've concluded your hands were tied and Dinsdale(Monty Python fame) went all ellerayesque in pre match instructions taking any time keeping duties and assisting with any on field decisions from you. It was probably mentioned at H/T re the ridiculous 2 minutes and he foolishly made a point of been noticed making a note early in the 2nd half at a stoppage. Cook spotted this and persistently asked 'how long" at every stoppage, to receive no response, Cook retorting its a simple question pointing to the clock and saying "well that was 3 minutes". The 4th stood there as though rigour mortice had set in. Dinsdale having been on the league for 20 odd years and arrogantly took charge of everything and didn't need a kid helping him.

It took the 3 0fficals an age to leave the pitch hoping the baying crowd around the tunnel would depart, they didn't. If I'd have been the 4th official by the time my colleagues(???) had reached the changing room I'd have been stuck in some traffic lights up sheffield road having made too l look a ???? by Dinsdales arrogance.

IMO anyway

[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 November 2024 - 06:40 AM, said:

The words of their manager raise a concern for me. Its becoming a familiar refrain after our home matches:
We had a game-plan in terms of in and out of possession
We know how they play, we know their patterns of play, we have got all the stats, how the individuals play, so all the lads got that presented to them and we nullified them.

It's easy to blow your own trumpet after a victory, did he plan for the pen not to be given, if we'd gone 1-0 up and been all buoyant, would his stats have helped?

Talking of stats and they are definitely not my forte, is it possible to get stats on average added time by individual refs. It would be a help to the many time wasting bas..... and what they may get away with.

[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 November 2024 - 06:40 AM, said:

The words of their manager raise a concern for me. Its becoming a familiar refrain after our home matches:
We had a game-plan in terms of in and out of possession
We know how they play, we know their patterns of play, we have got all the stats, how the individuals play, so all the lads got that presented to them and we nullified them.

Double post

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 10 November 2024 - 11:41 AM

[h again]

dtp, on 09 November 2024 - 10:40 PM, said:

We contribute to our own downfall. More often than not it is us that slows the game down and not the opposition. Several times today Grimes was stood motionless with the ball at his feet and no movement in front of him meaning their players did not have to move either. Then, I recall the ball being played to Oldaker who was facing our right side of the pitch where we had 2 players in space, so he pirouettes through 180 degrees to face the left side where 3 of our players are now marked so he turns another 90, looks around, before playing it back to Grimes who now has the only option left which is to pass to Gordon who is facing his own goal and has nowhere to go but pass it back to Boot, who has Oldaker now demanding the ball 20 yards further back than where he had started. It then took about 5 more passes to cross the halfway line before Colclough won a throw in having failed to beat the first man. We initially had the opportunity to make headway on the right but chose to play keep ball resulting in a nothing move in terms of stretching the opposition.

In fairness to Oldaker it was his pass that released Tanton but we rarely see such a pass.

When I suggest we should move the ball forward with more urgency I am not saying we should lump it forward but that to open the opposition up we could sometimes do it with 2 or 3 passes rather than 9 or 10 of which 7 or 8 go backwards.

Absolutely spot on. Nothing wrong with Cookball in itself, but when the opportunity is there we should be going forward at speed, not looking round for the 'keep possession' option, which seems increasingly to be the case.
Accrington were good, though. They always are.

[Burgerman]

DerbySpireite59, on 10 November 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

What time then before the 90 mins, wouldn't have shocked you?

89:59

[Search & Destroy]

h again, on 10 November 2024 - 11:45 AM, said:

Absolutely spot on. Nothing wrong with Cookball in itself, but when the opportunity is there we should be going forward at speed, not looking round for the 'keep possession' option, which seems increasingly to be the case.
Accrington were good, though. They always are.

The oles from Accy while we we were planning it about the back 4 and keeper were funny tbh

[dim view]

Can anybody confirm whether their freekick from which they scored hit the post, or was saved by Boot?

[dtp]

Blue5, on 10 November 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

The manner of their second goal highlights our weakness as it did at times last season. At the top of my summer shopping list was a player similar to Mike Jones to play alongside Tom Naylor in CM. We failed to sign that player and Tom's back covering in defence. For me, that's where our problem lies.

DJ's having a superb season, probably a contender for player of the season so far, but he's not our player of the season without the ball.

Who is the player in our side, that is going to put a player into the back of next week with a tackle before it gets into our third of the pitch?

I thought we were poor yesterday, created a lot of our own problems and without wishing to make excuses, it did feel like it was one of those days.

Similarly, the manner of their third goal highlights a further weakness. Naylor loses out or was fouled depending on opinion. However, Naylor lost out in a midfield position not a CB position. Had we had a proper RCB playing I believe that player would have been behind Naylor and as such covering the advance of their player. Instead, once Naylor lost out their player had the freedom of the park.

I am not saying Metcalfe is quite the player we want him to be yet but he was down to play before withdrawing because of injury. However, so far, he has not partnered Naylor in defensive midfield and I do wonder if that could make a difference. DJ has been good so far but it is clear that we have not quite got the balance of the team right. Could he be better off in the 3 at times?

Cook has said we have got some good players but we are not yet a good team. Currently, he has not got the option in playing Madden in his preferred deeper role because we have not got an alternative CF to Grigg. I expect this position to be addressed in January.

Similarly, it seems he does not really think either Grimes or Williams are cut out for L2 football on a regular basis. Dunkley has been a big miss and it is being covered by a midfielder. Again, I would not be surprised to see movement in this department in January.

At times, size matters, and much as I enjoy watching both Dobra and Markanday I do wonder if we lose out somewhat with a total lack of height both in the 3 and throughout the team.

[azul]

dim view, on 10 November 2024 - 12:29 PM, said:

Can anybody confirm whether their freekick from which they scored hit the post, or was saved by Boot?

Though he finger tipped onto the post from my position behind the goal

[Osborne again]

After having time to reflect on the game, I think we have to put that one down to experience, but, for me, there isn't enough movement by the players in front of the central defensive pair. We've seen Dunkley Naylor and now Grimes asking for movement from the players ahead of them, but it's not happening enough.
Some players weren't at the races yesterday, but I'm sure things will get put right. Onto Tuesday, a free hit,and a better game, hopefully.

[Blue5]

dtp, on 10 November 2024 - 12:31 PM, said:

Similarly, the manner of their third goal highlights a further weakness. Naylor loses out or was fouled depending on opinion. However, Naylor lost out in a midfield position not a CB position. Had we had a proper RCB playing I believe that player would have been behind Naylor and as such covering the advance of their player. Instead, once Naylor lost out their player had the freedom of the park.

I am not saying Metcalfe is quite the player we want him to be yet but he was down to play before withdrawing because of injury. However, so far, he has not partnered Naylor in defensive midfield and I do wonder if that could make a difference. DJ has been good so far but it is clear that we have not quite got the balance of the team right. Could he be better off in the 3 at times?

Cook has said we have got some good players but we are not yet a good team. Currently, he has not got the option in playing Madden in his preferred deeper role because we have not got an alternative CF to Grigg. I expect this position to be addressed in January.

Similarly, it seems he does not really think either Grimes or Williams are cut out for L2 football on a regular basis. Dunkley has been a big miss and it is being covered by a midfielder. Again, I would not be surprised to see movement in this department in January.

At times, size matters, and much as I enjoy watching both Dobra and Markanday I do wonder if we lose out somewhat with a total lack of height both in the 3 and throughout the team.

With the exception of CFC91 ( ) , it's difficult for us to comment with any conviction because we're not playing with PC's hand. We don't know who's struggling with injury, illness or what happens in training.

I feel we've lost our identity a bit in an attempt to improve the squad and to cover injuries. In general terms, I'm happy to write yesterday off as being just one of those games, but if I was in PC's position, I'd be asking if the game gave me enough reason to go back to the drawing board. Which players make us tick, which players can I rely on and in which positions?

I didn't get caught up in all the pre-season hype about promotion, but from what I've seen we're a better side than score-lines like yesterday suggest. We've not been outplayed, but we have made some sides look better than what they are and that has got to stop.

[SocraticCFC]

Blue5, on 10 November 2024 - 02:11 PM, said:

With the exception of CFC91 ( ) , it's difficult for us to comment with any conviction because we're not playing with PC's hand. We don't know who's struggling with injury, illness or what happens in training.

I feel we've lost our identity a bit in an attempt to improve the squad and to cover injuries. In general terms, I'm happy to write yesterday off as being just one of those games, but if I was in PC's position, I'd be asking if the game gave me enough reason to go back to the drawing board. Which players make us tick, which players can I rely on and in which positions?

I didn't get caught up in all the pre-season hype about promotion, but from what I've seen we're a better side than score-lines like yesterday suggest. We've not been outplayed, but we have made some sides look better than what they are and that has got to stop.

They were more physical - our lack of which concerns me

[DerbySpireite59]

Osborne again, on 10 November 2024 - 02:00 PM, said:

After having time to reflect on the game, I think we have to put that one down to experience, but, for me, there isn't enough movement by the players in front of the central defensive pair. We've seen Dunkley Naylor and now Grimes asking for movement from the players ahead of them, but it's not happening enough.
Some players weren't at the races yesterday, but I'm sure things will get put right. Onto Tuesday, a free hit,and a better game, hopefully.

Spot on.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 10 November 2024 - 12:29 PM, said:

Can anybody confirm whether their freekick from which they scored hit the post, or was saved by Boot?

Both I think. Not interested in watching it or any of it back though.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 10 November 2024 - 03:00 PM

[Osborne again]

Westbars Spireite, on 10 November 2024 - 02:59 PM, said:

Both I think. Not interested in watching it or any of it back though.

Yes I'd go with that. From where I was, it looked a terrific save by Boot that hit the upright, and it fell, luckily, to them.

[clarevoyant.]

Westbars Spireite, on 10 November 2024 - 02:59 PM, said:

Both I think. Not interested in watching it or any of it back though.

I'd like to see the alleged penalty claim again if for no other reason than to satisfy myself that my pre match imbibing hadn't buggered my eye sight up. If it's not be shown can we reasonably assume it's a case of not undermining credibility.

[Blue5]

clarevoyant., on 10 November 2024 - 03:14 PM, said:

I'd like to see the alleged penalty claim again if for no other reason than to satisfy myself that my pre match imbibing hadn't buggered my eye sight up. If it's not be shown can we reasonably assume it's a case of not undermining credibility.

You mean the brief switch in play by Accrington from football to basketball and back again? Seamless! Even the ref failed to notice.

[Benno Spire]

clarevoyant., on 10 November 2024 - 03:14 PM, said:

I'd like to see the alleged penalty claim again if for no other reason than to satisfy myself that my pre match imbibing hadn't buggered my eye sight up. If it's not be shown can we reasonably assume it's a case of not undermining credibility.

As always very bad refereeing Decisions are never shown on highlights and as you have eluded to Drysdale doesn?t appear to like us

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

First goal - their lad reacted faster than any defender.

Second goal - transparently obvious one-twos but no one tracked the scorer.

Third goal - questionable challenge on Naylor which left us short of numbers.

All three preventable.

Constructive criticism is a ball winner needed in our defensive midfield. Naylor back there or Jones.

At the other end a combination of terrific defending and poor shot selection. Accy has something to cling to and did so with tenacity. Meanwhile our front players could've swung banjos at cows' jacksies all afternoon and not hit beef.

It's nothing more than we've seen before, though. A tweak or two, perhaps a personnel change or two needed.

Don't overreact...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 10 November 2024 - 04:42 PM

[HaslandBlue58]

dim view, on 10 November 2024 - 12:29 PM, said:

Can anybody confirm whether their freekick from which they scored hit the post, or was saved by Boot?

Boot pushed it onto the post,to be fair it was a good save but no one in white managed to get there first to clear.