[azul]

Cartman, on 09 November 2024 - 04:58 PM, said:

Don?t think the Grimes/Williams CB partnership is trusted at this level, hence Naylor continuing in defence, really need Dunkley and Araujo back - Dunkley?s injury has been a massive loss

Very poor performance, looked bereft of ideas and even when we went all out attack we created very little, Accrington did a good job to be fair to them and worked hard and took their chances - poor goals to concede from our perspective

Despite the performance could have been a lot different if Tanton scores at end of first half, game changing miss that!

Looked very slow all game, Berry had an off day and didn?t want to try and go forward, Dobra also ineffective, Banks and Oldaker as the midfield partnership doesn?t seem to work

Bad day today, need to come back next game, we are in a decent position in the league but can?t afford more performances like this

Dunkley injury is worry - apart from being in the neck does anyone the details

Incredibly predestrian passing even when we manage to string a few passes together

This post has been edited by azul: 09 November 2024 - 07:18 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

I'd have played Williams today and Naylor in midfield.

[JonB]

clarevoyant., on 09 November 2024 - 06:08 PM, said:

His time keeping ain't improved. 2 minutes at half time sent out all the wrong signals. IE carry on time wasting it don't matter.

If we'd been given that f.... obvious pen how many think we'd have lost?? The game would have been totally different.


I've said this a few times but crap game changing decisions don't go our way.

A particular highlight was there keeper refusing to play with the ball in his hands because one of theirs was down, ref told him to play on more than once but he refused and in the end the ref gave in to it and stopped play.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Cook's style of football is often beautiful to watch.

It delivers title winning teams.

It delivers top scoring sides.

But it sometimes delivers results like today's.

We dominated for the most part. We created enough chances to easily win. We suffered the by now inevitable outrageously snubbed penno.

Yet as has become almost as inevitable we conceded daft goals.

Big fan of Grimes but his limitations were obvious today. Once more we witnessed an outfit waltz through our defence with simple one-two passes. And it's another underlining of the need for a 'Plan B' style alternative.

However it's a stumble at a hurdle rather than the fall on our ass that some, bewilderingly, seem to be almost celebrating...

[BlueRodneyFern]

JonB, on 09 November 2024 - 07:31 PM, said:

A particular highlight was there keeper refusing to play with the ball in his hands because one of theirs was down, ref told him to play on more than once but he refused and in the end the ref gave in to it and stopped play.

This unfortunately was Drysdale at his worst had 2 big decision to make and got them both wrong and the timekeeping was a joke told them time after time and only gave 4 mins added time

[Jud]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 09 November 2024 - 07:37 PM, said:

Cook's style of football is often beautiful to watch.

It delivers title winning teams.

It delivers top scoring sides.

But it sometimes delivers results like today's.

We dominated for the most part. We created enough chances to easily win. We suffered the by now inevitable outrageously snubbed penno.

Yet as has become almost as inevitable we conceded daft goals.

Big fan of Grimes but his limitations were obvious today. Once more we witnessed an outfit waltz through our defence with simple one-two passes. And it's another underlining of the need for a 'Plan B' style alternative.

However it's a stumble at a hurdle rather than the fall on our ass that some, bewilderingly, seem to be almost celebrating...

For that posse, it's a simple case of them preferring we lost and they be right than we win and they be wrong. Pretty thin skinned, when you think about it. I was mocked for predicting we'd win, earlier. I'll get over it, though 🥲

[JonB]

BlueRodneyFern, on 09 November 2024 - 07:39 PM, said:

This unfortunately was Drysdale at his worst had 2 big decision to make and got them both wrong and the timekeeping was a joke told them time after time and only gave 4 mins added time

He?d already told the keeper it was his one warning for time wasting earlier in the half yet he never followed it through including this incident when he just basically gave in to the keeper refusing to play.

[dart in the crossbar]

Cook got it right in his post-match, as usual. Ref got two big decisions wrong. We have good players who aren't linking up at times and the rest. I'd add that the ball generally didn't fall for us over the 90 minutes and the loss of Dunkley is hurting.

On players, I reckon that Naylor played out of his skin as usual. There were two fellas immediately in front of him who should compare his reel with theirs from today. Oldaker has come on from last season but he was found wanting today. Banks' lack of competing for the ball in the air and on the grass, his lack of tracking back, his lack of recovery runs and covering were just unacceptable. I'm aware that scapegoating is tempting after matches like today's, but I'm just saying what I saw.

On Grimes. He was out of his depth with the ball at his feet but at least he put in a decent effort over the 94 minutes.

This post has been edited by dart in the crossbar: 09 November 2024 - 08:02 PM

[Exharboroughspireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 09 November 2024 - 07:37 PM, said:

Cook's style of football is often beautiful to watch.

It delivers title winning teams.

It delivers top scoring sides.

But it sometimes delivers results like today's.

We dominated for the most part. We created enough chances to easily win. We suffered the by now inevitable outrageously snubbed penno.

Yet as has become almost as inevitable we conceded daft goals.

Big fan of Grimes but his limitations were obvious today. Once more we witnessed an outfit waltz through our defence with simple one-two passes. And it's another underlining of the need for a 'Plan B' style alternative.

However it's a stumble at a hurdle rather than the fall on our ass that some, bewilderingly, seem to be almost celebrating...

We?ve often had lots of chats in the Portland before the game and are often on the same page. A plan B is needed but not necessarily a long ball plan B. We are finding out that 451 at league level is far harder to crack than 451 at national league level. So, it is down to cook and team to work out how to do that because it appears that teams have figured us out: they Play 3 in the middle, squeeze the space around the centre circle. Stop the ball being spread left to right and back quickly. Slow the game down. Let?s see now what cook comes up with.

This post has been edited by Exharboroughspireite: 09 November 2024 - 08:02 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Jud, on 09 November 2024 - 07:57 PM, said:

For that posse, it's a simple case of them preferring we lost and they be right than we win and they be wrong. Pretty thin skinned, when you think about it. I was mocked for predicting we'd win, earlier. I'll get over it, though 🥲

Disturbing thing it's the same characters who have all too obvious, well, let's call them 'issues' over on the 'Personal' forum.

A psychoanalysts' playground, no doubt.

But from a football point of view it's an extension of the last few seasons - sides coming to frustrate and hit on the break.

Cook knows that, as part of our progression as a Club, and will overcome...

[plannerj]

gordon_brittas, on 09 November 2024 - 04:45 PM, said:

Someone posted on Twitter that we?ve too many players who just aren?t good enough to start. I?d add Banks, Grimes and Boot to that list. I fear this season will peter out to mid table nothingness with Cooks stubbornness to change the style of play at home and play Naylor at centre back. So disappointed, losing to a nothing outfit like these.

Can?t agree about Boot. He did nothing wrong today and his save which, unfortunately, kept the ball out of his net, but only initially, was brilliant. What has he done wrong in your opinion? Don?t suppose you will answer when challenged. You never do.

[danblue]

dart in the crossbar, on 09 November 2024 - 08:01 PM, said:

Cook got it right in his post-match, as usual. Ref got two big decisions wrong. We have good players who aren't linking up at times and the rest. I'd add that the ball generally didn't fall for us over the 90 minutes and the loss of Dunkley is hurting.

On players, I reckon that Naylor played out of his skin as usual. There were two fellas immediately in front of him who should compare his reel with theirs from today. Oldaker has come on from last season but he was found wanting today. Banks' lack of competing for the ball in the air and on the grass, his lack of tracking back, his lack of recovery runs and covering were just unacceptable. I'm aware that scapegoating is tempting after matches like today's, but I'm just saying what I saw.

On Grimes. He was out of his depth with the ball at his feet but at least he put in a decent effort over the 94 minutes.

Grimes is what he is - a no nonsense defender. Heads and gets a foot in.
Araujo is a different defender / higher league defender - he can do the basic stuff well but also can play passing football very well.
Today showed Grimes limitations today vs Araujo, showing why Dunkley and Araujo are first choice.
Naylor should never be in defence whilst we have two season CB defenders that can walk - Grimes and Williams. I'd rather have a limited Grimes and Williams than a Naylor and whomever combo.

Next problem is when we have a fully fit CB pairing, where does Naylor play? And if you say midfield, who gets dropped form midfield? And we have Fleck to come in too

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 09 November 2024 - 08:13 PM, said:

Disturbing thing it's the same characters who have all too obvious, well, let's call them 'issues' over on the 'Personal' forum.

A psychoanalysts' playground, no doubt.

But from a football point of view it's an extension of the last few seasons - sides coming to frustrate and hit on the break.

Cook knows that, as part of our progression as a Club, and will overcome...

Everyone who disagrees with you politically is a racist. Everybody who disagrees with you about football is a lunatic.

You're a legend in your own lunchtime.

[rodney]

danblue, on 09 November 2024 - 08:28 PM, said:

Grimes is what he is - a no nonsense defender. Heads and gets a foot in.
Araujo is a different defender / higher league defender - he can do the basic stuff well but also can play passing football very well.
Today showed Grimes limitations today vs Araujo, showing why Dunkley and Araujo are first choice.
Naylor should never be in defence whilst we have two season CB defenders that can walk - Grimes and Williams. I'd rather have a limited Grimes and Williams than a Naylor and whomever combo.

Next problem is when we have a fully fit CB pairing, where does Naylor play? And if you say midfield, who gets dropped form midfield? And we have Fleck to come in too

Is this a serious question?. Where does Naylor play?! Banks and DJ weren?t good enough for the National League never mind league 2. And yes DJ has improved but not a patch on Naylor

[Fit as a Nelson]

rodney, on 09 November 2024 - 08:32 PM, said:

Is this a serious question?. Where does Naylor play?! Banks and DJ weren?t good enough for the National League never mind league 2. And yes DJ has improved but not a patch on Naylor

Oldaker has been brilliant this season.

[rodney]

Fit as a Nelson, on 09 November 2024 - 08:34 PM, said:

Oldaker has been brilliant this season.

I said he?d improved but not a patch on Naylor

[dim view]

JonB, on 09 November 2024 - 08:00 PM, said:

He?d already told the keeper it was his one warning for time wasting earlier in the half yet he never followed it through including this incident when he just basically gave in to the keeper refusing to play.

Best goalie I've seen at our place this season. I see he's vying with Tyrer to make a career at Everton.

[HaslandBlue58]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 09 November 2024 - 04:49 PM, said:

The f*****g Wealdstone Raider could muscle his way through our two CDM's.

Banks in the 3 or he shouldn't be playing. There's an air of complacency at the club imo. Home form has been **** poor all season. Get the feeling that in the eyes of many the manager can do wrong, when in actuality - certainly at home - he's continuously making selection and tactical errors.

Just not good enough to say 'this is how we play' and refuse to budge in the face of cle`r evidence to the contrary.

Never thought I would post in agreement with you but in this instance I certainly do.Said when the team sheet was released 'no to DJ and Banks together,no to Berry starting,no to Naylor at the back any longer'.

[jack bauer]

HaslandBlue58, on 09 November 2024 - 08:58 PM, said:

Never thought I would post in agreement with you but in this instance I certainly do.Said when the team sheet was released 'no to DJ and Banks together,no to Berry starting,no to Naylor at the back any longer'.

DJ and Banks is not a great DCM pairing, too similar , Naylor is our best midfielder for me and the sooner he gets back there the better. question was asked who do you drop to make way, for me it would be banks, i love ollie but feel he is far better in the attacking midfield positions and DJ has been much improved this season so would like to build on that

[Bonnyman]

Not seen the game but Banks as a CDM is just a no , becomes some sort of Quartback trying to spray passes all over but contributes zero defensively
While ever we play at a tempo that allows the opposition time to get balanced and organised we will struggle and our blatant inability to stretch and get in behind the opposition will always result in frustrating days of high possession with nothing to show.

This post has been edited by Bonnyman: 09 November 2024 - 09:21 PM