[Search & Destroy]

The loss of these three will be devastating

DM rumours of a recall in January strengthened by the FA Cup omission

JB rumours of big bids in January

RC maybe off for other reasons


Hopefully we are planning for all eventualities

[danblue]

I have no doubts that a contingency plan will be in place.
If the recall was a possibility in the deal, then the management will be fully aware.
If we get big money for Berry - who is outstanding atm but only really a 45min player for us - then I'd expect an incoming more or less immediately.
As with Colclough, January is only around the corner for players to come in

[Osborne again]

 Search & Destroy, on 06 November 2024 - 08:01 AM, said:

The loss of these three will be devastating

DM rumours of a recall in January strengthened by the FA Cup omission

JB rumours of big bids in January

RC maybe off for other reasons


Hopefully we are planning for all eventualities

What I've heard ties Berry with Markanday, and Blackburn trying to arm twist a better deal. How true that is, I haven't a clue.

[60s 70s Spireite]

I would have thought the chances of us signing Markanday on a permanent basis are zero. This is a young player, showing good form, who cost c?500k and is being paid Championship wages- which average something like 3 times more than League Two salaries.

Way out of our reach.

Now if he was over 30....

[danblue]

 Osborne again, on 06 November 2024 - 08:14 AM, said:

What I've heard ties Berry with Markanday, and Blackburn trying to arm twist a better deal. How true that is, I haven't a clue.

As in Markanday in a permanent switch?
If that's the case, I'd take that deal all day long

[JonB]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 06 November 2024 - 08:27 AM, said:

I would have thought the chances of us signing Markanday on a permanent basis are zero. This is a young player, showing good form, who cost c?500k and is being paid Championship wages- which average something like 3 times more than League Two salaries.

Way out of our reach.

Now if he was over 30....

They did pay that for him but he's barely featured, when he does its fleeting sub appearances, since doing so then farmed out on loan to a League 2 club in the final year of his contract. He may attract some League 1 interest but the flip side is you cannot underestimate the importance it could play that he is already with us, seems to be enjoying his time and the Paul Cook factor which does seem to play a big part in some players joining us.

As far as i know there hasnt been any talk of a January recall until folk have decided that the fact he wasnt allowed to play v Horsham means he is going back.

This post has been edited by JonB: 06 November 2024 - 08:34 AM

[Westbars Spireite]

If they want Berry, we want Markanday in return and a good few quid. No dramas.

[CFC91]

Markanday is OOC in June, they will want to sell in Jan to recoup some sort of fee. Him being cup tied reduces the value of the player so I can see why they didn't want him playing.

If we are doing well and in with a chance of promotion come Jan, I can see a world where we take a punt on DM with a decent fee. Or another world where he is part of a deal that sees Berry head to the North West. Blackpool, West Brom & others also watching Berry

[60s 70s Spireite]

 JonB, on 06 November 2024 - 08:31 AM, said:

They did pay that for him but he's barely featured, when he does its fleeting sub appearances, since doing so then farmed out on loan to a League 2 club in the final year of his contract. He may attract some League 1 interest but the flip side is you cannot underestimate the importance it could play that he is already with us, seems to be enjoying his time and the Paul Cook factor which does seem to play a big part in some players joining us.

As far as i know there hasnt been any talk of a January recall until folk have decided that the fact he wasnt allowed to play v Horsham means he is going back.

I think you underestimate the pull of the dollar for players. We have won over a number of players by offering superior terms (length of contract) -I can not see us out bidding lower Championship and more wealthy League one clubs when it comes to wages and contracts for such a lamented lad.
Most commentators are saying its significant that he wasnt allowed to play, not necessarily that he would be going back. What it means we will see.

[Osborne again]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 06 November 2024 - 08:27 AM, said:

I would have thought the chances of us signing Markanday on a permanent basis are zero. This is a young player, showing good form, who cost c?500k and is being paid Championship wages- which average something like 3 times more than League Two salaries.

Way out of our reach.

Now if he was over 30....

Hardly played for his parent club, and in the last year of his contract. On the other hand we have Berry, who goes from strength to strength and has a load of interest.

[JonB]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 06 November 2024 - 08:45 AM, said:

I think you underestimate the pull of the dollar for players. We have won over a number of players by offering superior terms (length of contract) -I can not see us out bidding lower Championship and more wealthy League one clubs when it comes to wages and contracts for such a lamented lad.
Most commentators are saying its significant that he wasnt allowed to play, not necessarily that he would be going back. What it means we will see.

Lad has barely played in recent seasons and now getting regular action....i can see that being a big pull for any further move he may make. I cant see him being recalled to play for Blackburn, he will only be recalled for another move and unlikely to be for another loan move unless its a FFP wangle like Kabby initially going on loan to Peterborough for a move to be completed later on. He's only going to go on loan to League 1 if Blackburn want to offer him a new contract and want him to develop more which doesnt appear likely.

Any fee they are likely to get for him in January will be tiny at best anyway.....he's half a season left on his contract and not played much recently until his loan spell with us. What they paid for him doesnt come into it really.

This post has been edited by JonB: 06 November 2024 - 08:51 AM

[jamie_bolsover]

 danblue, on 06 November 2024 - 08:27 AM, said:

As in Markanday in a permanent switch?
If that's the case, I'd take that deal all day long

Not always possible regardless of our owners having a bob or two, Financial Fair Play (or whatever its called these day) to stick to.

[Mr Mercury]

Berry under contract so unless it?s a win, win for us or we have a contingency plan in place I don?t see the Kirk?s doing a Allen like the OD debacle!

[Bald magician]

In some ways I don't mind what happens with markandy. It's out of our
Control / sphere of influence.

I do mind what happens with our players. These days there is no doubt in my mind that we will do The best for the club with any deals that may or may not appear.

Worry not !

[azul]

 JonB, on 06 November 2024 - 08:31 AM, said:

They did pay that for him but he's barely featured, when he does its fleeting sub appearances, since doing so then farmed out on loan to a League 2 club in the final year of his contract. He may attract some League 1 interest but the flip side is you cannot underestimate the importance it could play that he is already with us, seems to be enjoying his time and the Paul Cook factor which does seem to play a big part in some players joining us.

As far as i know there hasnt been any talk of a January recall until folk have decided that the fact he wasnt allowed to play v Horsham means he is going back.

There may not be any talk of him going back but I think it is fair to assume Blackburn are keeping there options open. They are probably still hoping to recoup some of his transfer fee. Is there any other reason why they'd stop him playing if indeed they did?

This post has been edited by azul: 06 November 2024 - 09:13 AM

[Hibbo98]

 CFC91, on 06 November 2024 - 08:38 AM, said:

Markanday is OOC in June, they will want to sell in Jan to recoup some sort of fee. Him being cup tied reduces the value of the player so I can see why they didn't want him playing.

If we are doing well and in with a chance of promotion come Jan, I can see a world where we take a punt on DM with a decent fee. Or another world where he is part of a deal that sees Berry head to the North West. Blackpool, West Brom & others also watching Berry

Bear in mind Blackburn still have a years option on him for next season so certainly won?t be in any rush to sell. I?d imagine they?ll be trying to increase his value further by finding him a good L1 loan for the second half of the season.

[dtp]

Speculation starting as we get closer to the transfer window is hardly a new thing.

Player movement is down to a number of things. Fee offered compared to length of contract remaining. A player wanting to move on. Management looking to do a bit of business with the intention of trying to improve the squad. Financial state of a Club. Etc.

What will be will be. Markanday will be on a good wage at Blackburn so he would look to negotiating some form of financial settlement before agreeing to any move. Blackburn might want him off the books so could try and recoup any financial settlement in the transfer fee or suggest the buying club covers that through a fee. Markanday will have an agent who will then be looking for the best deal he can get for him at a different club. Markanday himself might have a preference as to where he moves. So there are a number of ducks to line up before we have a chance of signing him.

Berry will have ambition. He is not the finished article. Has 18 months left on his contract. If clubs start a bidding war it could be a good time to sell. The longer it goes into next season the closer he will be to being able to walk away for free.

We have a number of fringe players which includes some who did well in the NL but hardly getting a kick now or are returning from injury. It is probably these players who could move out to create space for further squad strengthening.

This post has been edited by dtp: 06 November 2024 - 10:15 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

 jamie_bolsover, on 06 November 2024 - 08:54 AM, said:

Not always possible regardless of our owners having a bob or two, Financial Fair Play (or whatever its called these day) to stick to.

No problem with SCMP with 4M pounds of new shares issue. Just the prudence and sensibility of the directors is our limiting factor.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Search & Destroy, on 06 November 2024 - 08:01 AM, said:

The loss of these three will be devastating

DM rumours of a recall in January strengthened by the FA Cup omission

JB rumours of big bids in January

RC maybe off for other reasons


Hopefully we are planning for all eventualities

Markanday is a loan player whose future is out of our hands.

Berry is a promising talent but yet to perform consistently.

Colclough has featured sparsely over the last year or more through injuries

And most of all Paul Cook has repeatedly and consistently improved the squad with pretty much every signing.

You really should let this petty little sniping campaign go. I'd say you were humiliating yourself, but everyone knows that was established a long, long time ago ..

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 06 November 2024 - 10:18 AM

[born in 1866]

What people are tending to forget are their ages. If OOC both clubs will be due a development fee. While the development fee for Markandy will not come close to what Blackburn paid for him, neither will the transfer fee.

As for Berry, we have taken him from the 7^th tier to alleged intrest from from tier 2. The development fee for Berry would be very close to, if not excede what we paid Macc, so should he go before his contract expires or stays, we will not be out of pocket.