[Osborne again]

60s 70s Spireite, on 03 November 2024 - 08:06 PM, said:

Interesting definition of a perfect feed. In my eyes it was a six yard side foot to a team mate, who, his back to the goal, from outside the area and with three or four defenders in his path, proceeded to score an excellent solo goal.

It wasn't the easy ball though, or even the safe ball, because as you so rightly say, Dobra had to beat half the Horsham defence to score. Others would have played it safe, where Madden played it into the danger area, and was awarded with an assist. A good pass doesn't need to cover 30 yds every time. Yes it made Dobra work for the goal, but the pass created that opportunity.

[danblue]

Is their goal up for discussion?
I know at 3-0 the game should be done, but Horsham seem to breeze straight through.

[sophocles]

danblue, on 04 November 2024 - 08:48 AM, said:

Is their goal up for discussion?
I know at 3-0 the game should be done, but Horsham seem to breeze straight through.

Only saw highlights, but I don't think he 'breezed through' as we had two or three players closing him down. He had a crack before he got completely blocked, and it was simply a powerful shot caught perfectly, and went right into the top corner. Those opportunist efforts usually get blocked/deflected or caught by the keeper. Credit to their player for an excellent early strike rather than criticism for our players IMO.

[danblue]

sophocles, on 04 November 2024 - 09:27 AM, said:

Only saw highlights, but I don't think he 'breezed through' as we had two or three players closing him down. He had a crack before he got completely blocked, and it was simply a powerful shot caught perfectly, and went right into the top corner. Those opportunist efforts usually get blocked/deflected or caught by the keeper. Credit to their player for an excellent early strike rather than criticism for our players IMO.

Their attack started from the keeper rolling it out on the edge of their box. The only bit of a tackle (from Mandeville I think) was a foul when he half bothered tripping up one of the players in the move. It was box to box.
The finish was a good one as he had space to put it into the top bin - hit firmly with enough loft - as Thompson was way off his line.
Should Mandeville have properly taken one for the team - if not already on a yellow, then yes.
Should the closing down have been more tighter - yes, he had time and space to place the shot. Naylor didnt look to thrilled.

[Goku]

danblue, on 04 November 2024 - 09:51 AM, said:

Their attack started from the keeper rolling it out on the edge of their box. The only bit of a tackle (from Mandeville I think) was a foul when he half bothered tripping up one of the players in the move. It was box to box.
The finish was a good one as he had space to put it into the top bin - hit firmly with enough loft - as Thompson was way off his line.
Should Mandeville have properly taken one for the team - if not already on a yellow, then yes.
Should the closing down have been more tighter - yes, he had time and space to place the shot. Naylor didnt look to thrilled.

They played through us very easily. Banks is too high (which is what usually happens when he's part of the midfield 2) so their player is running at our back 4 + Fleck instantly. Araujo steps up when he should probably backtrack further but he's probably thinking somebody has to stop him because he's ran half the length of the pitch with no challenge. You can say Mandeville should've taken one for the team but that's unlikely to happen, we were 3-0 up against a team in the 7th division, there was no danger of them making a comeback, I don't know the booking/suspension rules in the FA Cup but seems silly to get yourself booked to prevent a possible chance in such circumstances.

Definitely sloppy defensively but as I say, 3-0 up against a weaker team, these things happen, no point getting too worked up about it.

[dtp]

Goku, on 04 November 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

They played through us very easily. Banks is too high (which is what usually happens when he's part of the midfield 2) so their player is running at our back 4 + Fleck instantly. Araujo steps up when he should probably backtrack further but he's probably thinking somebody has to stop him because he's ran half the length of the pitch with no challenge. You can say Mandeville should've taken one for the team but that's unlikely to happen, we were 3-0 up against a team in the 7th division, there was no danger of them making a comeback, I don't know the booking/suspension rules in the FA Cup but seems silly to get yourself booked to prevent a possible chance in such circumstances.

Definitely sloppy defensively but as I say, 3-0 up against a weaker team, these things happen, no point getting too worked up about it.

I agree with much of that, Goku.

Personally, I was pleased for them and their fans that they got what was effectively their Asante moment.

[HaslandBlue58]

danblue, on 04 November 2024 - 09:51 AM, said:

Their attack started from the keeper rolling it out on the edge of their box. The only bit of a tackle (from Mandeville I think) was a foul when he half bothered tripping up one of the players in the move. It was box to box.
The finish was a good one as he had space to put it into the top bin - hit firmly with enough loft - as Thompson was way off his line.
Should Mandeville have properly taken one for the team - if not already on a yellow, then yes.
Should the closing down have been more tighter - yes, he had time and space to place the shot. Naylor didnt look to thrilled.

Mandy barely got near him then let him run without trying to track back,after which their man coasted through and finished well,a common sight at home this season.For a player that was the first name on the team sheet for a few seasons IMO has not had a good performance yet this season, seems much slower and with less confidence.

[dim view]

Goku, on 04 November 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

They played through us very easily. Banks is too high (which is what usually happens when he's part of the midfield 2) so their player is running at our back 4 + Fleck instantly.

Great turn of pace by Fleck to try to get back. That bodes well!!

[Osborne again]

danblue, on 04 November 2024 - 08:48 AM, said:

Is their goal up for discussion?
I know at 3-0 the game should be done, but Horsham seem to breeze straight through.

It was one of those that the defence will, more than likely,want to forget, but we limited them to very little in the way of chances. I thought that he did really well and placed the shot perfectly. We had the game won, but we could have gone up several gears if need be.

[prolurker]

dim view, on 04 November 2024 - 10:53 AM, said:

Great turn of pace by Fleck to try to get back. That bodes well!!

That might be the earliest a player has been written off on here. And for bob's board thats saying something

[born in 1866]

danblue, on 04 November 2024 - 09:51 AM, said:

Should Mandeville have properly taken one for the team - if not already on a yellow, then yes.

Disagree, the game was already won. We do not need key players picking up needless yellows and reds and be suspended for key league games.

[Osborne again]

dim view, on 04 November 2024 - 10:53 AM, said:

Great turn of pace by Fleck to try to get back. That bodes well!!

I know we only saw Fleck for a short time, but he just looks class. He demands the ball,and strokes it around the pitch. Him and Naylor will be something special, although I can see DJ getting his fair share of minutes throughout the season.

[danblue]

Goku, on 04 November 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

They played through us very easily. Banks is too high (which is what usually happens when he's part of the midfield 2) so their player is running at our back 4 + Fleck instantly. Araujo steps up when he should probably backtrack further but he's probably thinking somebody has to stop him because he's ran half the length of the pitch with no challenge. You can say Mandeville should've taken one for the team but that's unlikely to happen, we were 3-0 up against a team in the 7th division, there was no danger of them making a comeback, I don't know the booking/suspension rules in the FA Cup but seems silly to get yourself booked to prevent a possible chance in such circumstances.

Definitely sloppy defensively but as I say, 3-0 up against a weaker team, these things happen, no point getting too worked up about it.

Nah, just thought the incident of their goal seems to have gone under the radar as we were 3-0.
The defending of that move was an old bad habbits and no matter the opposition, you still 'fight' for the clean sheet.
Fair point re Mandeville swerving the yellow card, but they shouldn't really have got that far

[Maddog Tannen]

Osborne again, on 04 November 2024 - 12:50 PM, said:

I know we only saw Fleck for a short time, but he just looks class. He demands the ball,and strokes it around the pitch. Him and Naylor will be something special, although I can see DJ getting his fair share of minutes throughout the season.

Difficult to drop Oldaker. I reckon he is playing some great stuff this season. Naylor and Oldaker my first choice at the moment.

[Exharboroughspireite]

i think it may be a while yet before we see Fleck starting. He will need several more cameoes (Webb said this post game). I would rather at this stage get Naylor alongside Oldaker who is having a good season and get Dunkley and Tanton back.

[Osborne again]

Maddog Tannen, on 04 November 2024 - 01:16 PM, said:

Difficult to drop Oldaker. I reckon he is playing some great stuff this season. Naylor and Oldaker my first choice at the moment.

I totally agree, it will be hard to drop Oldaker, and Fleck will need untill the beginning of December before he's fully up to speed. I find it hard to see players dropped for no reason rather than rotation,but that's how things are these days, and Fleck is part of the squad for a reason.

[jonnythespireite]

Goku, on 04 November 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

They played through us very easily. Banks is too high (which is what usually happens when he's part of the midfield 2) so their player is running at our back 4 + Fleck instantly. Araujo steps up when he should probably backtrack further but he's probably thinking somebody has to stop him because he's ran half the length of the pitch with no challenge. You can say Mandeville should've taken one for the team but that's unlikely to happen, we were 3-0 up against a team in the 7th division, there was no danger of them making a comeback, I don't know the booking/suspension rules in the FA Cup but seems silly to get yourself booked to prevent a possible chance in such circumstances.

Definitely sloppy defensively but as I say, 3-0 up against a weaker team, these things happen, no point getting too worked up about it.

Very much reminded me of the goal we conceded against Salford. Also came down our right from the goalkeeper with very little pressure on the ball through the thirds until it was too late.

[dtp]

Exharboroughspireite, on 04 November 2024 - 01:20 PM, said:

i think it may be a while yet before we see Fleck starting. He will need several more cameoes (Webb said this post game). I would rather at this stage get Naylor alongside Oldaker who is having a good season and get Dunkley and Tanton back.

Fully agree.

Our first choice back four for me is Tanton, Dunkley, Aroujo, Gordon. On occasion, if it looks like being a battle of giants bringing in Grimes for Aroujo might be a consideration.

That leaves Naylor to move into the two to accompany Oldacre whilst ever he maintains his form. Fleck looks like he will soon be knocking on the door for a start but that is not just yet. He looks as if he will be a very useful addition to the squad and will provide balance as he seems to prefer the left side.