[Goku]

dtp, on 30 October 2024 - 08:29 PM, said:

But, is not that similar to those caught on film which you referred to earlier suggesting this made their cases open and shut because of such evidence?

Depends entirely on the nature of the incident.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 07:57 PM, said:

You're not siding with the thin blue line though, are you?

There is no complexity. Punching female police officers in the face, on camera!? Not to mention the other assaults.But you focus on the copper, who wrongly, but to some degree understandably booted one of the assailants in the head. As did the media initially.

If you are saying you can't see the blatant two-tier approach then you're a barefaced liar. Simple as that.

Personally, I think you can see it just fine, you're just so bound up in ideology and side picking you're unable to cede any ground. You're as bad as the opposite extreme and equally culpable for stoking unrest in that sense.

I clearly and obviously didn't "focus on the copper".

I clearly and obviously mentioned all the alleged aspects.

So isn't it 'bare faced lying' to deny what's there in black and white?

But you're right, I can see a "blatant two tier approach". In fact this whole forum is absolutely peppered with it...

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 30 October 2024 - 08:02 PM, said:

Sometimes, when you go looking specifically for something, you will start seeing it wherever you look, even if it isn?t there.

Old Chinese proverb, maybe.

Here you go. All on film.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

[Mr Mercury]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 06:42 PM, said:

Well you've sidestepped his points, after asking for them.

So, how about this...

The thugs who assaulted police officers/bobbies at Manchester airport, breaking the nose of one female officer and leading to riots in Rochdale (which were given a hands off approach by the police), are yet to be charged. Meanwhile, teenagers who were peripheral members of the rioting (that was heavily policed) that ensued from that and the Southport murders (which are now seemingly acknowledged as terrorist acts) have been banged up for years within a matter of days. All under the stewardship of two-tier Kier.

You do your 'cause' no good by trying to defend the indefensible and denying the blatantly obvious.

Well said.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 October 2024 - 08:32 PM, said:

I clearly and obviously didn't "focus on the copper".

I clearly and obviously mentioned all the alleged aspects.

So isn't it 'bare faced lying' to deny what's there in black and white?

But you're right, I can see a "blatant two tier approach". In fact this whole forum is absolutely peppered with it...

Whilst people were jailed within a matter of days for crimes including 'goading the police' and 'shouting abuse at a police dog' (I kid you not), these people still await charges?

Two tier? Case closed.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 30 October 2024 - 08:39 PM

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 08:35 PM, said:

Here you go. All on film.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

But how do you know nothing happened prior to this between the blokes + the cops, or the blokes? families and the cops?

[Mr Mercury]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 08:39 PM, said:

Whilst people were jailed within a matter of days for crimes including 'goading the police' and 'shouting abuse at a police dog' (I kid you not), these people still await charges?

Two tier? Case closed.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

The Labour councillors case, you know the chap who, on video, openly called, and gestured, for those with a different political view, to have their throats cut. While a squealing harpy, an actual member of amnesty international apparently, jumped in agreeable glee, will make interesting viewing

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 30 October 2024 - 08:45 PM, said:

But how do you know nothing happened prior to this between the blokes + the cops, or the blokes? families and the cops?

Name any possible thing that you think could have happened prior to that, that would - in law - mean a charge of GBH against an officer would not be justified re- what you've just witnessed.

Just one. Because I can't think of anything.

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 08:53 PM, said:

Name any possible thing that you think could have happened prior to that, that would - in law - mean a charge of GBH against an officer would not be justified re- what you've just witnessed.

Just one. Because I can't think of anything.

I don?t think anything could justify it personally, but i imagine the Asian lads will have claimed something happened and CPS will be looking at the evidence provided alongside the probability of whatever they?ve claimed lead to the incident being valid and they?ll make a decision from there. If they claim an officer racially abused them, or spat on their mum, and it turns out there?s some evidence to support that, then all of a sudden their response might be looked on less harshly.

Again, not saying any of the above happened and not defending them, but this is why it?s important for everything to be gone through with a fine tooth comb which could well be the reason for the delay. I?m no expert on how these things work obviously, but the above makes some sort of sense to me.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 08:39 PM, said:

Whilst people were jailed within a matter of days for crimes including 'goading the police' and 'shouting abuse at a police dog' (I kid you not), these people still await charges?

Two tier? Case closed.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

Elsie Dot Stancombe.

Alice da Silva Aguiar.

Bebe King.

Know who they are?

Do you care?

Well either way they're the three little girls so tragically murdered in Southport.

Nothing to do with Muslims, nothing to do with migrants, nothing to do with what happened at an airport, nothing to do with morons rioting and nothing to do with their supporters peddling 'two tier' type diversions.

Though reading through these pages it's so easily forgotten...

[calvin plummers socks]

Misnomer, on 30 October 2024 - 04:18 PM, said:

He's an islamist terrorist, end of story. Al Qaeda literature/documents, developing ricin....

And the government knew all along.... which means Starmer and Cooper knew, whilst they lied to our faces and created a false narrative, pushing out bs like 'Welsh Christian', chorister, images of him in a school uniform, hiding his beard....deliberately pushing out propaganda, disinformation, misinformation, using complicit idiots like Dan Hodges to slam down and attempt to humiliate anyone who questioned the false narrative.

How curious that this information is released the day before the budget, like they want it buried as quickly as possible. They must think we're stupid; their playbook is beyond transparent.

Funny, this; cos when tooled up Muslim lads were stabbing and use hammers to split the skulls of any white bloke in the vicinity, there was virtually no coverage.

It's like there's a pattern and an agenda 🤔

What an absolute disgrace this government is. The control, the strategy and the planning of this cover-up is astonishing but, not surprising.

And, then we have further useful idiots, who casually label people as racist for pointing out facts (you know, the same one's who called pro EU leavers as racists), and we have others who claim the biggest threat to this country is right-wing terrorism; yet, can't offer a single example, whilst MI5 contradict this nonsense claim with actual facts.

Stop being so racist

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 08:39 PM, said:

Whilst people were jailed within a matter of days for crimes including 'goading the police' and 'shouting abuse at a police dog' (I kid you not), these people still await charges?

Two tier? Case closed.

https://www.itv.com/...irport-incident

No one was jailed for shouting at a police dog- stop being so stupid

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 30 October 2024 - 09:04 PM, said:

I don?t think anything could justify it personally, but i imagine the Asian lads will have claimed something happened and CPS will be looking at the evidence provided alongside the probability of whatever they?ve claimed lead to the incident being valid and they?ll make a decision from there. If they claim an officer racially abused them, or spat on their mum, and it turns out there?s some evidence to support that, then all of a sudden their response might be looked on less harshly.

Again, not saying any of the above happened and not defending them, but this is why it?s important for everything to be gone through with a fine tooth comb which could well be the reason for the delay. I?m no expert on how these things work obviously, but the above makes some sort of sense to me.

If a copper racially abused someone or spat on their mum (both things extremely unlikely), they'd still be guilty of assaulting a police officer.

calvin plummers socks, on 30 October 2024 - 09:35 PM, said:

Stop being so racist



No one was jailed for shouting at a police dog- stop being so stupid

"McCarthy, 34, had joined an anti-immigration march in Bristol which clashed with counter-protest2ers and police in Castle Park and on Bristol Bridge on 3 August.

Bristol Crown Court heard he played a "prominent" role in trying to goad police, and had "aggressively" shouted at a police dog."

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cm2nm5jgxlko

[dtp]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 October 2024 - 09:31 PM, said:

Elsie Dot Stancombe.

Alice da Silva Aguiar.

Bebe King.

Know who they are?

Do you care?

Well either way they're the three little girls so tragically murdered in Southport.

Nothing to do with Muslims, nothing to do with migrants, nothing to do with what happened at an airport, nothing to do with morons rioting and nothing to do with their supporters peddling 'two tier' type diversions.

Though reading through these pages it's so easily forgotten...

Like you, Chris, I care very much.

I also care as to why if SKS, YC, the police knew the fact that the murderer is now subject to terrorist charges and this has been known to them for several weeks why they chose to try to hide this by only letting it be known on the eve of the budget in what seems to be an attempt to bury that information. On top of which, why the speaker (well known for his intervention on the SNP motion) has chosen to ban discussion in the house. Is it possible that the police searched the house in question in the very early days of the investigation, as would be expected, and as a result SKS knew the situation so much earlier than being reported?

Does this not concern you?

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 October 2024 - 09:31 PM, said:

Elsie Dot Stancombe.

Alice da Silva Aguiar.

Bebe King.

Know who they are?

Do you care?

Well either way they're the three little girls so tragically murdered in Southport.

Nothing to do with Muslims, nothing to do with migrants, nothing to do with what happened at an airport, nothing to do with morons rioting and nothing to do with their supporters peddling 'two tier' type diversions.

Though reading through these pages it's so easily forgotten...

I know exactly who they are. And to use their deaths to try and save face in an argument you came second best in before I even weighed in is revolting. Shame on you.

I wonder if the police and CPS lied to them, as well as the general public, saying that there were no terrorist connections to their deaths. Whilst knowing full well their killer was reading 'Al Qaeda' literature and making batches of Ricin in his spare time.

Feel free to throw slurs at will. Anyone with a functioning mind sees through your nonsense.

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 30 October 2024 - 11:23 PM

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 30 October 2024 - 09:04 PM, said:

I don?t think anything could justify it personally, but i imagine the Asian lads will have claimed something happened and CPS will be looking at the evidence provided alongside the probability of whatever they?ve claimed lead to the incident being valid and they?ll make a decision from there. If they claim an officer racially abused them, or spat on their mum, and it turns out there?s some evidence to support that, then all of a sudden their response might be looked on less harshly.

Again, not saying any of the above happened and not defending them, but this is why it?s important for everything to be gone through with a fine tooth comb which could well be the reason for the delay. I?m no expert on how these things work obviously, but the above makes some sort of sense to me.

I certainly agree with the highlighted statement. But should that level of scrutiny not apply across the spectrum?

How much of a fine tooth comb was applied when hundreds were bundled in front of the beak within a matter of days and then packed off to prison. Some teenagers, first offenders... many for use of language.

Two tier?

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 30 October 2024 - 11:30 PM

[calvin plummers socks]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 10:23 PM, said:

If a copper racially abused someone or spat on their mum (both things extremely unlikely), they'd still be guilty of assaulting a police officer.



"McCarthy, 34, had joined an anti-immigration march in Bristol which clashed with counter-protest22ers and police in Castle Park and on Bristol Bridge on 3 August.

Bristol Crown Court heard he played a "prominent" role in trying to goad police, and had "aggressively" shouted at a police dog."

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cm2nm5jgxlko

You absolute clown - it even says violent disorder and racist slurs
He even pleaded guilty

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 10:30 PM, said:

I know exactly who they are. And to use their deaths to try and save face in an argument you came second best in before I even weighed in is revolting. Shame on you.

I wonder if the police and CPS lied to them, as well as the general public, saying that there were no terrorist connections to their deaths. Whilst knowing full well their killer was reading 'Al Qaeda' literature and making batches of Ricin in his spare time.

Feel free to throw slurs at will. Anyone with a functioning mind sees through your nonsense.

I agree.

Let those with "functioning minds" decide who's desperately piggy backing a tragedy to promote prejudice and division, who's telling bare faced lies about cretins arrested for stuff they'd get the same at any Town game, who's hysterically chucking slurs instead of facts, who's deserving shame as a result and who's on the right side of the argument.

Or as they're otherwise known, the moral majority,..

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 31 October 2024 - 06:46 AM

[Search & Destroy]

Goku, on 30 October 2024 - 08:32 PM, said:

Depends entirely on the nature of the incident.

I?m no legal expert, it was my understanding that to charge someone police would gather evidence and present that to the CPS to make a decision on whether to charge

The CPS are under pressure to get through this workload so how were folk arrested on the Sunday and in court the Tuesday?

I get they plead guilty at court, but how did the police present their evidence and the CPS (who have a massive caseload) have time to sit, review the evidence, recommend the charges and get the case before a court in less than 48 hours?

[Bonnyman]

So was Farage correct to question why the attack was not terror related and question if information was being withheld?

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 30 October 2024 - 10:23 PM, said:

If a copper racially abused someone or spat on their mum (both things extremely unlikely), they'd still be guilty of assaulting a police officer.

But hypothetically, if either of those highly unlikely scenarios occurred then they would need to be factored into any attempted prosecution as potential mitigating circumstances. Feel like you're trying to oversimplify this, bud. There are processes which need to be followed and CPS aren't dilly-dallying for a laugh, they'll be very aware of the public interest in this.