[Phil V 72]

Bonnyman, on 02 October 2024 - 04:50 PM, said:

Mark Allott was a great player but it took a while to appreciate how good he was, probably has the highest pass completion record of any town player in ourhistory, he didn?t score enough goals but he kept the game flowing.

It was probably the earlier part of his career when he got more criticism, I?m sure he came to us as a striker (part of the deal that swapped him for Reeves was it??) and didn?t really get amongst the goals.

[ash_cfc]

Phil V 72, on 02 October 2024 - 04:56 PM, said:

It was probably the earlier part of his career when he got more criticism, I?m sure he came to us as a striker (part of the deal that swapped him for Reeves was it??) and didn?t really get amongst the goals.

10 years service across 2 spells probably deserves more respect than he gets. His second spell particularly.

Mark Innes around the same time took some hammer.

[Siberian Spireite]

Phil V 72, on 02 October 2024 - 04:56 PM, said:

It was probably the earlier part of his career when he got more criticism, I?m sure he came to us as a striker (part of the deal that swapped him for Reeves was it??) and didn?t really get amongst the goals.

Loan, initially, aye

[DerbySpireite59]

BlueRodneyFern, on 02 October 2024 - 01:33 PM, said:

Exactly look at Ravel Morrison one of the most gifted young footballer of his generation and ended up lower tier in Saudi

Ravel IMHO, Morrison was one of the most talented of his teenage age groups, not of his generation.

[aradcliffe2739]

Bald magician, on 02 October 2024 - 01:27 PM, said:

Talent and ability are only good if you have the attributes I mentioned.

How many talents have failed over the years. Rather be in pub or out with the bird

Billy Casper looked like a very promising goalkeeper, but spent all of his time out with the bird. Such a shame.

[jack bauer]

football is a team game and you need players with different attributes to compliment each other, paul cook is very good at building those relationships and understanding across his teams which is why he has had such success as a manager.
As technically gifted as a player may be there has to be the bare minimum that players will work hard for each other as you have spells in games where the opposition will ask questions.
Ironically watching the jacobs debate this week, one thing i noted on Tuesday was not his lack of effort off the ball at all but just before he was subbed he had committed 2 or 3 fouls, players are always learning and perhaps a side of his game that he needs to look at is his timing when challenging an opponent.

to add i do agree with the OP that there do seem to be people who make their mind up about a player and stick to it regardless.

[Siberian Spireite]

jack bauer, on 03 October 2024 - 07:33 AM, said:

football is a team game and you need players with different attributes to compliment each other, paul cook is very good at building those relationships and understanding across his teams which is why he has had such success as a manager.
As technically gifted as a player may be there has to be the bare minimum that players will work hard for each other as you have spells in games where the opposition will ask questions.
Ironically watching the jacobs debate this week, one thing i noted on Tuesday was not his lack of effort off the ball at all but just before he was subbed he had committed 2 or 3 fouls, players are always learning and perhaps a side of his game that he needs to look at is his timing when challenging an opponent.

to add i do agree with the OP that there do seem to be people who make their mind up about a player and stick to it regardless.

Those fouls he committed were more lazy, not-concentrating fouls than gut-busting, trying to help the team. One or two stopped promising attacks.

[Phil V 72]

aradcliffe2739, on 03 October 2024 - 07:18 AM, said:

Billy Casper looked like a very promising goalkeeper, but spent all of his time out with the bird. Such a shame.

David James, his coaches said he had everything to be the very best, but he just couldn?t keep off the PlayStation so his concentration suffered

[DIFH]

Funny how the top **** house home players are always viewed as hero status.

I give you Sir Jack Lester.

[Walton Spireite]

DIFH, on 03 October 2024 - 11:13 AM, said:

Funny how the top **** house home players are always viewed as hero status.

I give you Sir Jack Lester.

Nothing to do because he was absolute quality

[DIFH]

Walton Spireite, on 03 October 2024 - 11:52 AM, said:

Nothing to do because he was absolute quality

Still the best diver (**** house) we?ve seen.

There you go proving my point.

This post has been edited by DIFH: 03 October 2024 - 01:40 PM

[sixmilliondollardan]

I'm still reeling from the thread opener revealing someone didn't rate Gary Roberts as a player. Madness.

[Bonnyman]

DIFH, on 03 October 2024 - 01:37 PM, said:

Still the best diver (**** house) we?ve seen.

There you go proving my point.

Best forward we have ever had sir jack

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Awful when people take against a player and endlessly start nonsense threads about them.

I remember that guy who used to find any excuse to constantly post about Joe Quigleys perceived failings. Odd chap.

[DIFH]

Bonnyman, on 03 October 2024 - 02:56 PM, said:

Best forward we have ever had sir jack

Not up for argument Coach.

[rodney]

Bonnyman, on 03 October 2024 - 02:56 PM, said:

Best forward we have ever had sir jack

Based on?! Still a disgrace we retired his number!! Yes a good player but we?ve had a lot of them

[spireitetoo]

rodney, on 04 October 2024 - 01:29 PM, said:

Based on?! Still a disgrace we retired his number!! Yes a good player but we?ve had a lot of them

I thought we said at the time, it wasn't being retired, just held back until a player thought they'd be good enough to fill it.. ?

[boot]

Bonnyman, on 03 October 2024 - 02:56 PM, said:

Best forward we have ever had sir jack

Magician on the pitch and a gent off it to boot.

[rodney]

spireitetoo, on 04 October 2024 - 01:54 PM, said:

I thought we said at the time, it wasn't being retired, just held back until a player thought they'd be good enough to fill it.. ?

Hope that?s true. Should have given it to Naylor

This post has been edited by rodney: 04 October 2024 - 03:06 PM

[Goku]

rodney, on 04 October 2024 - 01:29 PM, said:

Based on?! Still a disgrace we retired his number!! Yes a good player but we?ve had a lot of them

Imagine calling this a disgrace. Give your head a wobble