[Paul Fisher]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2024 - 09:07 AM, said:

What makes you say that?

Because the rich get richer and the marginalised get cast aside. Every year the budget gets tighter. I'm not going to commit to a prediction but once Derbyshire start making losses annually, then it's time to pack up.

Certainly this is my own personal opinion. I doubt Derbyshire will be a red ball team in the significant future.

This post has been edited by Paul Fisher: 23 September 2024 - 09:35 AM

[JonB]

ECB seem to have very little desire for counties like Derbyshire etc to be able to compete and they are fighting an uphill battle to be solvent and have any chance of competing on the field. Best players are cherry picked off to the bigger counties, can see Harry Moore being poached to Notts or alike if he keeps developing, so its a case of trying to make the best of other round the block county players and hope to get lucky that a few will come off along with getting lucky with a decent overseas.

While ever the ECB are pushing the Hundred in the prime time August window counties and even to an extent Englands schedule appears to come second. Now even have international cricket being shoehorned in with nothing in August to the point things like T20 finals day doesnt have the best english players available to play.

[Westbars Spireite]

From what I've seen of Harry Moore, I will say now I think he will play test2 cricket. Though probably not whilst a Derbyshire player.

I think other clubs with worse finances are in more danger than Derbyshire (hopefully anyway). Perhaps I should renew anyway.

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2024 - 09:54 AM, said:

From what I've seen of Harry Moore, I will say now I think he will play test22 cricket. Though probably not whilst a Derbyshire player.

I think other clubs with worse finances are in more danger than Derbyshire (hopefully anyway). Perhaps I should renew anyway.

Yep he seems to have the makings of a very good player and a good head on his shoulders, that match winning one day knock a while back was very mature. Not a chance he will have a chance of being in the England setup while with us though as you say so he will have to move on.

[Paul Fisher]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 September 2024 - 09:54 AM, said:

From what I've seen of Harry Moore, I will say now I think he will play test22 cricket. Though probably not whilst a Derbyshire player.

I think other clubs with worse finances are in more danger than Derbyshire (hopefully anyway). Perhaps I should renew anyway.

Agreed, but without non-cricketing activities this winter. Derbyshire will make a loss for the financial year. Cricketing wise it's been bad financially. The selling of the Hundred barely helps Derbyshire at all.
I will renew my membership as always but I fear soon, there won't be a membership to renew.

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 23 September 2024 - 09:57 AM, said:

Yep he seems to have the makings of a very good player and a good head on his shoulders, that match winning one day knock a while back was very mature. Not a chance he will have a chance of being in the England setup while with us though as you say so he will have to move on.

The Leicestershire lads Hull and Ahmed have so I think he can, it's just I fear he'll be snapped up before!

Paul Fisher, on 23 September 2024 - 11:43 AM, said:

Agreed, but without non-cricketing activities this winter. Derbyshire will make a loss for the financial year. Cricketing wise it's been bad financially. The selling of the Hundred barely helps Derbyshire at all.
I will renew my membership as always but I fear soon, there won't be a membership to renew.

That's a significant part of the club's business strategy so it doesn't really matter how they balance the books, as long as they do.

[HistoricWarwick]

I think one division of county cricket is inevitable. Once one county goes, so will others and we end up with a smaller single division.

This may involving merging teams into regions akin to what you see in the August pink and green thingy.

Easier to sustain a combined East Mids team, West Mids teams, etc that plays all variants.

[JonB]

Problem is, like the hundred, our area will get mopped up into playing at Trent Bridge with barely any representation of Derbyshire, Leicestershire etc and that will be that.

[Westbars Spireite]

I'd rather go back to one division and play more 3 day cricket like the old days. Plus bring back the Sunday League and a proper knock out competition with the minor counties. It might just be that the last time we were any good, when I was kid, that was how it was!

[JonB]

Everyone i think bar the ECB would happily see the back of the Hundred as its pretty much single handed ruined the domestic calendar by being shoved in the prime August window even pushing international cricket out of the way. We've had the farce of the domestic one day cup being played back end of Sept in front of a few hundred folk at Trent Bridge, both it and The Blast finals weeks after the main chunk of the competition then now a T20 and ODI series against the Aussies in the depth of Sept....looked B****Y cold sat watching England batting at Durham yesterday evening!

The Hundred hasnt been the cash cow the ECB wanted it to be to the point they are now selling stakes to random folk with even talk of the likes of Reynolds and the less famous one at Wrexham buying into the Welsh Fire etc.

[HistoricWarwick]

Westbars Spireite, on 25 September 2024 - 11:33 AM, said:

I'd rather go back to one division and play more 3 day cricket like the old days. Plus bring back the Sunday League and a proper knock out competition with the minor counties. It might just be that the last time we were any good, when I was kid, that was how it was!

Agreed - but, it isn't going back.

Whatever the format of Hundred is - this is not the issue. It is the acceptance of new teams which eventually eschews in the franchise model and I can see it all formats going that way.

You could almost create it now: South West (Glos, Somerset), Wales, West Mids (Warks, Worcs), East Mids (Derbys, Leics, Notts), Middlesex, Surrey, South (Hants, Sussex, Kent), East (Essex), Yorkshire, Lancashire. Throw in maybe a North East team, invite Scotland to round it up. Not sure what to do with Northants but, not going to lose sleep on that one.

Oh and give them all a zippy name - East Midland Bandits or something.

[JonB]

Domestic cricket will end up on its backside if it goes that way....will cast aside loads of county fans who are the life blood of the game outside the white ball stuff. Its one thing Derbyshire and Leicestershire having to go to Nottingham for cricket bar the odd game played at an outground trying to keep folk happy but its a near 300 mile round trip from Canterbury to Southampton. The "South" team covers almost half the south coast of the country!! If we are going that way no need to have two London teams so merge Middlesex and Surrey and Durham wouldnt be enough to be one side so they'd probably get lumped in with Yorkshire so their would be no domestic cricket for the top half of the country.

[Westbars Spireite]

If that happened, I'd be done with cricket full stop I think.

[HistoricWarwick]

I am just being devil's advocate but, Jon I would disagree with county fans being the lifeblood of the game, attendances at county championship games continue to dwindle and the white ball is the cash cow now. Northants average 200 a day for a county match. I would imagine Derbyshire are similar. Maybe more at Queens Park for a county game but, every county is seeing the same. Something has to give.

[Westbars Spireite]

HistoricWarwick, on 26 September 2024 - 09:07 AM, said:

I am just being devil's advocate but, Jon I would disagree with county fans being the lifeblood of the game, attendances at county championship games continue to dwindle and the white ball is the cash cow now. Northants average 200 a day for a county match. I would imagine Derbyshire are similar. Maybe more at Queens Park for a county game but, every county is seeing the same. Something has to give.

3/4 day cricket has been much the same for 40+ years. It's not intended in itself to be something that makes money as a standalone entity; it's the proving ground for professional cricketers and future England test2 players. The white ball stuff and clubs' other commercial enterprises, concerts etc, are what fill in the blanks.

[JonB]

HistoricWarwick, on 26 September 2024 - 09:07 AM, said:

I am just being devil's advocate but, Jon I would disagree with county fans being the lifeblood of the game, attendances at county championship games continue to dwindle and the white ball is the cash cow now. Northants average 200 a day for a county match. I would imagine Derbyshire are similar. Maybe more at Queens Park for a county game but, every county is seeing the same. Something has to give.

I was including all the formats for county stuff....they rely massively on finances made at Blast games etc but these are being squeezed out of parts of the summer where they can attract bigger crowds to make way for the Hundred or in the case of the 50 over cup played at the same time so clubs are missing big name players so folk are less inclined to go along and see county 2nd XIs or half a team.

As Westbars says red ball stuff has mainly been the mainstay of older retired members who can go to games bar the spell where they played some of it over weekends a few years ago or games played at outgrounds like QP where folk who dont normally have chance to get to games go along.

This post has been edited by JonB: 26 September 2024 - 10:49 AM

[HistoricWarwick]

Agreed and I understand what county cricket is designed to deliver but, the two tier system now doesn't help the smaller counties feed at test2 level as the top tier attracts the best players. Moreover, as much as I don't care for it, the future of county cricket is not red ball but, white ball stuff and that allied to financial pressures, leaves the current county format exposed. There needs to be some realignment - I think I've seen test2, 4 day games, 3 day games, 60 over, 55 over, 50 over, 40 over, 20 over and how hundred games... I admit to never going to the latter as the wife said she liked the look of it and pink ain't my colour... test2 cricket will still survive - but it only seems to do well in England anyway.

[JonB]

Some good news for once....Harry Moore signs three year deal.

[JonB]

Harry Moore and Pat Brown called up to England Lions squad....give them a chance to get in Moores ear and tell him he would be much better off at Surrey, Notts, <insert test2 hosting county here>.....

[whittman]

JonB, on 03 October 2024 - 01:40 PM, said:

Harry Moore and Pat Brown called up to England Lions squad....give them a chance to get in Moores ear and tell him he would be much better off at Surrey, Notts, <insert test22 hosting county here>.....

its only a matter of time unfortunately even though Moore has just signed a contract extension