[jack bauer]

clarevoyant., on 15 September 2024 - 09:19 AM, said:

Well another fun day at Vale Park. Got what we deserved, out musseled, out thought, out sh..housed, 6" and half a stone short in most areas. Not a good day performance wise for some.

Thought the ref had a good game not sure re the lino re the vital none offside call it looked off on the big screen re- runs, was definitely more off than the call on Markandy at Gills. These Bunkum decisions are due to even out apparently if so we will be in for a cracking 3 seasons soon.

For a team of "rough, tough, jolly sort of fellows" (MP quote) they did appear to get hurt very easily (conveniently probably) taking advantage of the ref not being able to do owt about. They know that the refs have a duty of care for the players and take the p... by stopping the game at a convenient time and generally in the defensive half Despicable and totally anti football should we follow suit? When in Rome etc.. You have to admire their thespian skills 9.5 out of 10. The little "tap dance" when they eventually got their feet was the icing on the cake. The synchronised entry to the field by their alleged medics was a piece of comedy genius and deserves a 10/10. The 4-5 minutes they spent (not) treating their centre half in front of us was top notch sh..housery and put boredom to same, to talk a man out of death was finding new ground medically.

This total sh..housery as to stop even if radical methods are required. Get an independent medic involved and if he decides its a scam leave injured player of for ten minutes. A synchronised threesome entering the field would at least add a bit of comedy.

the genuine head injury scenario leaves referees no option but to treat every scenario the same, if a player is claiming head injury, the ref has to let it play out, unfortunately it seems like many things this is now getting totally manipulated and out of hand, you call for radical measures and perhaps the only way to curb it is that if a player claims head injury they are immediatley substituted and out of that game and possibly even the next one, am i right that if a concussion is proven that a player has to not play for a certain amount of days following it?

[Benno Spire]

jack bauer, on 15 September 2024 - 11:11 AM, said:

the genuine head injury scenario leaves referees no option but to treat every scenario the same, if a player is claiming head injury, the ref has to let it play out, unfortunately it seems like many things this is now getting totally manipulated and out of hand, you call for radical measures and perhaps the only way to curb it is that if a player claims head injury they are immediatley substituted and out of that game and possibly even the next one, am i right that if a concussion is proven that a player has to not play for a certain amount of days following it?

Quite simply there should be a rule where if a game is stopped due a player claiming a head injury they should be kept off the pitch for 15 minutes, if a player has a genuine head injury they will naturally be substituted. Where a player goes down allegedly claiming cramp then the game should carry on and the trainer allowed to enter the field to deal with it

[spireitetoo]

On a side note how good was vales runout .. so much more upbeat than anything we play, and 2nd half came out to Motorheads The game. The perfect run out with great lyrics.

https://youtu.be/F_J...?feature=shared

Soo much better than boring blue sky.

Come on town. Get it going.

[dim view]

clarevoyant., on 15 September 2024 - 09:19 AM, said:

Well another fun day at Vale Park.

Just noticed their 6 bookings.
They must literally have agreed a choreographed sequence to position a defensive spoiler in turn.

[SocraticCFC]

azul, on 15 September 2024 - 08:57 AM, said:

The problem Colclough (and Madden) is they keep getting mentioned as being just a week to two away. Away from what? Full training or playing a significant number of minutes.

Cook said a week to ten days last week - I suspect 2 wks

[SocraticCFC]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 September 2024 - 11:10 AM, said:

A Brummie fan?s take-
With his shocking injury record and pretty poor goals return I cannot see many takers. He has never hit the same heights as his Brentford days which prompted Villa to sign him. He really blew very hot and icy cold for Birmingham. From scoring 6 in 5 games to 1 in 30 games. Shocking penalty taker and misses 9 out of 10 one on ones.-

This is the issue - good free agent striker = an oxymoron.
If he is any good, why is he still a free agent when every club in the land wants a good striker on their books?

Might be ok on a month's contract

[Search & Destroy]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 September 2024 - 11:10 AM, said:

A Brummie fan?s take-
With his shocking injury record and pretty poor goals return I cannot see many takers. He has never hit the same heights as his Brentford days which prompted Villa to sign him. He really blew very hot and icy cold for Birmingham. From scoring 6 in 5 games to 1 in 30 games. Shocking penalty taker and misses 9 out of 10 one on ones.-

This is the issue - good free agent striker = an oxymoron.
If he is any good, why is he still a free agent when every club in the land wants a good striker on their books?

I?d be surprised if there was a free agent striker available who would improve the side

[SocraticCFC]

Search & Destroy, on 15 September 2024 - 12:06 PM, said:

I?d be surprised if there was a free agent striker available who would improve the side

Key is length of time Grigg out and what's available if out for a while. I'm afraid Drummond isn't strong enough to do it on his own. Madden? colclough?
May be just a bit of a waiting game and fans have to be patient for a few weeks. Griggs shoes are hard to fill - and we're going to miss him. I really do wish we could have got somebody - a JQ+ player - through the door. Management will have reasons why this didn't happen, no doubt. Still think there's room for Grimes against PV type sides.

[Osborne again]

Search & Destroy, on 15 September 2024 - 12:06 PM, said:

I?d be surprised if there was a free agent striker available who would improve the side

We have a raw talent in Drummond, but we have to use that raw talent in the most effective way. We tend to try and cross the ball to him, but wouldn't it be better playing through balls to utilise his pace?

[Westbars Spireite]

Osborne again, on 15 September 2024 - 12:23 PM, said:

We have a raw talent in Drummond, but we have to use that raw talent in the most effective way. We tend to try and cross the ball to him, but wouldn't it be better playing through balls to utilise his pace?

We tried but overhit almost every single one.

[Bluekent]

Westbars Spireite, on 15 September 2024 - 01:12 PM, said:

We tried but overhit almost every single one.

Or lofted them to him so he had to attempt to win a header against defenders about 3ft taller than him.

[dtp]

jack bauer, on 15 September 2024 - 11:11 AM, said:

the genuine head injury scenario leaves referees no option but to treat every scenario the same, if a player is claiming head injury, the ref has to let it play out, unfortunately it seems like many things this is now getting totally manipulated and out of hand, you call for radical measures and perhaps the only way to curb it is that if a player claims head injury they are immediatley substituted and out of that game and possibly even the next one, am i right that if a concussion is proven that a player has to not play for a certain amount of days following it?

The referee is surely watching over the treatment the player is receiving from the life-saving medics so if they rub his leg rather than go through the motions of checking for a head injury has he not got a brain cell which indicates to him he has been conned. In such a case, a red card for the player and the management team for blatant cheating might have the desired effect. However, they would soon cotton on to make sure he is treated for the non-existent injury. The answer is that the player has to leave the field for a minimum of 10 minutes without any substitution being allowed. It is possible that this punishes genuine cases but also possible that it reduces the amount of cheating. The question then remains as to how this works if the feigning of injury takes place with less than 10 minutes to go - possibly, if after expert independent medical advice, it is decided the head injury was not genuine then his team should start the next game with just 10 men for the first 10 minutes.

[philly8mt]

I?m not sure how much we can criticise Drummond tbf. He scored exactly the same amount of goals as Grigg and received the same poor service. We didn?t exactly play to his strengths did we?

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 15 September 2024 - 01:43 PM, said:

The referee is surely watching over the treatment the player is receiving from the life-saving medics so if they rub his leg rather than go through the motions of checking for a head injury has he not got a brain cell which indicates to him he has been conned. In such a case, a red card for the player and the management team for blatant cheating might have the desired effect. However, they would soon cotton on to make sure he is treated for the non-existent injury. The answer is that the player has to leave the field for a minimum of 10 minutes without any substitution being allowed. It is possible that this punishes genuine cases but also possible that it reduces the amount of cheating. The question then remains as to how this works if the feigning of injury takes place with less than 10 minutes to go - possibly, if after expert independent medical advice, it is decided the head injury was not genuine then his team should start the next game with just 10 men for the first 10 minutes.

What happened to the old fashioned way referees dealt with on field injury? If the player was with 20 yards of a touch line, the player was expected to limp or crawl off the pitch. Referees like Roger Kirkpatrick were known to roll them off.

[Bonnyman]

First time I had been to Port vale and after the terrible reports I found it surprisingly good , they have a fantastic set up, with training pitches behind and a new 3G pitch being layed the stadium was very good albeit the view from the away a bit flat, it?s set up to be a much bigger club, car parking a very reasonable ?7 and the home pitch in tip top condition and very large

[Osborne again]

Westbars Spireite, on 15 September 2024 - 01:12 PM, said:

We tried but overhit almost every single one.

It sounds like was just a bad day at the coalface then. I've just watched the highlights but, it really doesn't show much from us, but then again,it doesn't sound like there was much to show.

[Osborne again]

dtp, on 15 September 2024 - 01:43 PM, said:

The referee is surely watching over the treatment the player is receiving from the life-saving medics so if they rub his leg rather than go through the motions of checking for a head injury has he not got a brain cell which indicates to him he has been conned. In such a case, a red card for the player and the management team for blatant cheating might have the desired effect. However, they would soon cotton on to make sure he is treated for the non-existent injury. The answer is that the player has to leave the field for a minimum of 10 minutes without any substitution being allowed. It is possible that this punishes genuine cases but also possible that it reduces the amount of cheating. The question then remains as to how this works if the feigning of injury takes place with less than 10 minutes to go - possibly, if after expert independent medical advice, it is decided the head injury was not genuine then his team should start the next game with just 10 men for the first 10 minutes.

Every match is filmed by several cameras, so while the player's on the deck, why can't the forth official be given access to footage of the incident to judge if the player is scamming or not. No hold up in play unlike VAR plus if it's genuine and it's adjudged to be dangerous play, the other player involved can be disciplined.

[Westbars Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 15 September 2024 - 02:47 PM, said:

First time I had been to Port vale and after the terrible reports I found it surprisingly good , they have a fantastic set up, with training pitches behind and a new 3G pitch being layed the stadium was very good albeit the view from the away a bit flat, it?s set up to be a much bigger club, car parking a very reasonable ?7 and the home pitch in tip top condition and very large

I've been a good few times, all at the other end. Strangely the ground appears much smaller from yesterday's vantage point.

[Fact Checker]

Bonnyman, on 15 September 2024 - 10:14 AM, said:

Can you please find the thread I said he was a crock, if you can?t change your name

https://www.thecfss....l=&fromsearch=1

Needs a zimmer, no pace, isn?t strong, expensive flop, ?400 a touch? thats just one thread of many of your ramblings, my friend. Need I continue?

[JonB]

Search & Destroy, on 15 September 2024 - 12:06 PM, said:

I?d be surprised if there was a free agent striker available who would improve the side

5 pages of free agent strikers here?.
https://www.transfer...t=alle&yt0=Show