[clarevoyant.]

 dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 09:00 AM, said:

Off at a slight tangent.........

If Oldaker's action had taken place in the penalty area, would the ref have given a pen and booked him or would it just have been a pen?

Who knows with this prat Oldaker would probably have been sine-die. But if deemed a cautionable offence then, yes

[Blue5]

 clarevoyant., on 09 September 2024 - 08:09 AM, said:

Is there a rule that states on attaining X number of red/yellow cards a club gets hauled over the coals and fined. If so will the cards the FA admit were incorrect but punishment still applied at the time due to archaic rules still be applied in this total count?

Absolutely ridiculous if so.

I'm still annoyed about the 4th official telling tales to the referee which resulted in 4 yellow cards being shown to the staff from both benches. I've watched football for a long time and don't ever recall that number of cards being shown to non-playing staff during 90 minutes of football.

That alone should set alarm bells ringing regarding the ability of the officials on the day.

As an aside, which ref and his assistants got a round of applause as they left the pitch last season, was it Steve Copeland against Boreham Wood?

This post has been edited by Blue5: 09 September 2024 - 09:58 AM

[clarevoyant.]

 Blue5, on 09 September 2024 - 09:46 AM, said:

I'm still annoyed about the 4th official telling tales to the referee which resulted in 4 yellow cards being shown to the staff from both benches. I've watched football for a long time and don't ever recall that number of cards being shown to non-playing staff during 90 minutes of football.

That alone should set alarm bells ringing regarding the ability of the officials on the day.

As an aside, which ref and his assistants got a round of applause as they left the pitch last season, was it Steve Copeland against Boreham Wood?

The question is was the 4th official acting on his own volition or was he reacting to pre match instructions by the ref maybe wanting to get his card count up? Booking Cook so early certainly put a marker down when "cocking a deaf un" could have applied.

You could be right re Copeland, don't recall us having any problems with him

[dim view]

 clarevoyant., on 09 September 2024 - 10:14 AM, said:

The question is was the 4th official acting on his own volition or was he reacting to pre match instructions by the ref maybe wanting to get his card count up? Booking Cook so early certainly put a marker down when "cocking a deaf un" could have applied.

You could be right re Copeland, don't recall us having any problems with him

As I've alluded to before, surely the most likely reason for the early action against Cook is because of his previous record? If you were the ref and you know there's a known trouble maker in the dugout, you might well take preemptive action to minimise trouble by instructing the 4th official - an action that would be praised by assessors.

[HaslandBlue58]

 dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 10:24 AM, said:

As I've alluded to before, surely the most likely reason for the early action against Cook is because of his previous record? If you were the ref and you know there's a known trouble maker in the dugout, you might well take preemptive action to minimise trouble by instructing the 4th official - an action that would be praised by assessors.

Once again the 'fair and unbiased' role comes in to question.We all know that if we are talking,post match,about the game,and not the officials, they have done their job.Five games in and we are still debating the conduct of the officials,and as two incidents involve red cards that should never have been, already this season,it would seem the system is not fit for purpose.

[Sammy Spireite]

 clarevoyant., on 09 September 2024 - 10:14 AM, said:

The question is was the 4th official acting on his own volition or was he reacting to pre match instructions by the ref maybe wanting to get his card count up? Booking Cook so early certainly put a marker down when "cocking a deaf un" could have applied.

You could be right re Copeland, don't recall us having any problems with him

I'm pretty sure PC got booked for persistently leaving the technical area (or for arguing with the 4th official about it), he was stood just forward of it several times and the 4th official kept telling him to take a step back.

Cookie then took great delight in pointing out every time Artell did the same thing.

Also, I'm convinced that Cookie does stuff like that on purpose to fire up the crowd, taking one for the team as it were.

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 09 September 2024 - 10:54 AM

[Greenie78]

'Geography teacher, milkman... his ego got in the way' - Grimsby boss rips into ref:
https://www.derbyshi...-defeat-4774109

[SocraticCFC]

 Greenie78, on 09 September 2024 - 10:54 AM, said:

'Geography teacher, milkman... his ego got in the way' - Grimsby boss rips into ref:
https://www.derbyshi...-defeat-4774109

The ref, like a teacher, should have a final word with his pupil(s) then the cards if the pupil steps over the boundary. The idiot on Sat went straight to his pocket - a ludicrous show of card waving - poss worse than Halifax last year!

I have to say, the refs in L2 look worse than the National League and that's saying something!

[Lincs Spireite]

 SocraticCFC, on 09 September 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

The ref, like a teacher, should have a final word with his pupil(s) then the cards if the pupil steps over the boundary. The idiot on Sat went straight to his pocket - a ludicrous show of card waving - poss worse than Halifax last year!

I have to say, the refs in L2 look worse than the National League and that's saying something!

And he normally ref's in the championship ? It beggars belief.

[whittman]

 clarevoyant., on 09 September 2024 - 10:14 AM, said:

The question is was the 4th official acting on his own volition or was he reacting to pre match instructions by the ref maybe wanting to get his card count up? Booking Cook so early certainly put a marker down when "cocking a deaf un" could have applied.

You could be right re Copeland, don't recall us having any problems with him

the way the referee marched over already getting his card out of his top pocket to book Cooky so early in the match showed to me that it was as though the officials had already decided before the match that as soon as he opened his mouth to the 4th official the referee would be over to put him in his place with a booking

The referee had no intention of having a quiet word with our manager to give him a warning about his future conduct in the match etc he was hell bent on giving him the yellow card simply on the way he marched over towards the technical area

Of course to try and give the impression that he was being even handed the prat in the middle sorry referee lol then had to book the Grimsby manager for apparantly no real reason

heaven help the worst rated referee from the Championship if he is supposed to be one of the best

[60s 70s Spireite]

 whittman, on 09 September 2024 - 03:56 PM, said:

the way the referee marched over already getting his card out of his top pocket to book Cooky so early in the match showed to me that it was as though the officials had already decided before the match that as soon as he opened his mouth to the 4th official the referee would be over to put him in his place with a booking

The referee had no intention of having a quiet word with our manager to give him a warning about his future conduct in the match etc he was hell bent on giving him the yellow card simply on the way he marched over towards the technical area

Of course to try and give the impression that he was being even handed the prat in the middle sorry referee lol then had to book the Grimsby manager for apparantly no real reason

heaven help the worst rated referee from the Championship if he is supposed to be one of the best

As someone half suggested on here before, why not give Cook a yellow card before each match, so there?s no need for the theatrics during the game?

By the way, from the East Stand it looked like Artell was in the ear of the fourth official all the game, jumping up and down and permanently waving his arms around. Not the demure actions he has claimed.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 09 September 2024 - 04:36 PM

[Osborne again]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 04:31 PM, said:

As someone half suggested on here before, why not give Cook a yellow card before each match, so there?s no need for the theatrics during the game?

By the way, from the East Stand it looked like Artell was in the ear of the fourth official all the game, jumping up and down and permanently waving his arms around. Not the demure actions he has claimed.

Correct, and if Cook deserved a yellow, the clown from Cleethorpes sewer should have seen a red.

[HaslandBlue58]

 whittman, on 09 September 2024 - 03:56 PM, said:

the way the referee marched over already getting his card out of his top pocket to book Cooky so early in the match showed to me that it was as though the officials had already decided before the match that as soon as he opened his mouth to the 4th official the referee would be over to put him in his place with a booking

The referee had no intention of having a quiet word with our manager to give him a warning about his future conduct in the match etc he was hell bent on giving him the yellow card simply on the way he marched over towards the technical area

Of course to try and give the impression that he was being even handed the prat in the middle sorry referee lol then had to book the Grimsby manager for apparantly no real reason

heaven help the worst rated referee from the Championship if he is supposed to be one of the best

I commented during a second half booking for one of our players that I actually saw the ref. go to his pocket before a challenge had been made and had a card out before their player dived to the deck.

[SocraticCFC]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 04:31 PM, said:

As someone half suggested on here before, why not give Cook a yellow card before each match, so there?s no need for the theatrics during the game?

By the way, from the East Stand it looked like Artell was in the ear of the fourth official all the game, jumping up and down and permanently waving his arms around. Not the demure actions he has claimed.

Basically a footballing version of Prime Ministers Questions.

[clarevoyant.]

 dim view, on 08 September 2024 - 03:56 PM, said:

Bump
Sub again. Kick off in 5 minutes.

Played the full match for their under 21s today and in true town fashion got cautioned after 90+ minutes

[Blue5]

 60s 70s Spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 04:31 PM, said:

By the way, from the East Stand it looked like Artell was in the ear of the fourth official all the game, jumping up and down and permanently waving his arms around. Not the demure actions he has claimed.

He was on it from the kick off until the final whistle. I'm glad he's not our manager.

[Greenie78]

Spireites given big ticket allocation for away clash at Doncaster Rovers:
https://www.derbyshi...-rovers-4775555

[Greenie78]

'Sign of things to come' - Port Vale journalist provides insight inlcuding season so far, style of play, key men and predicted line-up:
https://www.derbyshi...ponents-4775902

[Greenie78]

Spireites make another statement addition in experienced midfielder Fleck:
https://www.derbyshi...fielder-4776352

[Greenie78]

Town winger nominated for award:
https://www.derbyshi...-season-4776802