[Goku]

stevie_b, on 14 August 2024 - 12:57 PM, said:

Yeah, you do. You weren't daft last time I checked.

Khelif has robbed an Algerian woman (that's us females) of an Olympic place. He's an IOC sponsored cheat.

Stop playing the #Be Kind and stand up for women xx

None of what you?re saying explains why Khalif is a man and not a woman. What are you going off of to determine that?

[ash_cfc]

stevie_b, on 14 August 2024 - 01:09 PM, said:

Maybe she should. She still shouldn't be in the ring with a male boxer. And yep, you all know he's male!

XX

Khelif has a fully functioning female gear box which makes her a female. It?s down to the professionals to decide the situation with DSD.

[valemadness]

JK Rowling and Elon Musk have been named in a lawsuit by Imane Khelif over cyberbullying during the Olympics. The amount of women that have said absolutely disgusting things about her is astonishing.

[stevie_b]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 August 2024 - 01:17 PM, said:

Erm she?s got a uterus and vagina 🤷🏽‍♂️

You don't half believe some sh*te!

[stevie_b]

valemadness, on 15 August 2024 - 03:38 PM, said:

JK Rowling and Elon Musk have been named in a lawsuit by Imane Khelif over cyberbullying during the Olympics. The amount of women that have said absolutely disgusting things about her is astonishing.

Really? I'm saying nothing nice about a cheating man, who thinks it fair game to smash women in the face.

If you're in the #BeKind brigade, so be it. There are plenty of women on my side. Scared to say it like, because of the threats they get. But someone's gotta speak up.

If Imane Khelif wants to add me to the lawsuit, he can go right ahead.

[stevie_b]

Goku, on 14 August 2024 - 02:29 PM, said:

None of what you?re saying explains why Khalif is a man and not a woman. What are you going off of to determine that?

Oh come on, Goku. Whatever Bob's Board thinks, I'm a straight woman; I know a man when I see one. Are you really saying that as you wander the streets of Chez Vegas, taking in all the hustle and bustle, you can't tell a man from a woman?

I shave my head and generally wear no makeup. It's still abundantly clear to all but the terminally stupid that I'm female.

Where, in the name of all that's holy, did this madness descend from? I'm not expecting many here to speak up for women. It's a male dominated board, innit?

Happy to agree to disagree. I think Khelif's male. You think he's female. Something tells me that, despite your beliefs, he'd never ever figure in your dating pool ......

And, for the record, I didn't start this controversy. If it's so absolutely clear that Imane Khelif is female, what's caused questions to be asked?

ash_cfc, on 14 August 2024 - 04:35 PM, said:

Khelif has a fully functioning female gear box which makes her a female. It?s down to the professionals to decide the situation with DSD.

I very much doubt that. But ..... I'm not claiming to have been close enough to say for sure. Have you?

[calvin plummers socks]

stevie_b, on 16 August 2024 - 10:58 AM, said:

Really? I'm saying nothing nice about a cheating man, who thinks it fair game to smash women in the face.

If you're in the #BeKind brigade, so be it. There are plenty of women on my side. Scared to say it like, because of the threats they get. But someone's gotta speak up.

If Imane Khelif wants to add me to the lawsuit, he can go right ahead.

If she was worried about being smashed in the face she shouldn?t have taken up boxing?.

stevie_b, on 16 August 2024 - 10:54 AM, said:

You don't half believe some sh*te!

Only medical science (which is often more accurate than someone on a message board possibly)

[Goku]

Plenty of women I wouldn?t date who are definitely women! Obviously she looks ?bloke-ish? but is it not possible for women with high testosterone to look like that and still have a uterus and the usual womanly gear? I genuinely don?t understand how you can *know* that she?s a bloke, I?m not being disingenuous stevie.

[stevie_b]

Goku, on 16 August 2024 - 03:44 PM, said:

Plenty of women I wouldn?t date who are definitely women! Obviously she looks ?bloke-ish? but is it not possible for women with high testosterone to look like that and still have a uterus and the usual womanly gear? I genuinely don?t understand how you can *know* that she?s a bloke, I?m not being disingenuous stevie.

I know you're not. I like you. You know that

And yes, I know there are plenty of women that you wouldn't date, even though they're women; I'm one of 'em, FFS I wouldn't date you either. However, as a male, you'd make it through the first round filter ..... and then probably get chucked out at Judges' Houses I'm suggesting that Imane wouldn't even make it past your first round. But hey; I don't know you that well and I'm prepared to stand corrected on that.

In answer to your question, I don't know for sure, do I? But there's controversy over the sex of the two boxers. Why is that? Do you expect me to simply take Imane's word for it? Well, I don't. Do you think I should? I'll show my ar*e in Poundstretcher window if a cheek swab, which Imane is seemingly reluctant to provide, shows Imane to be female.

I feel perfectly entitled to question what people tell me if I think they're speaking things other than the truth. I don't have to pretend that I believe things that I don't. If someone tells me a load of guff and there are no consequences ... meh; I just ignore it. But when I feel that their lies perpetuate injustice and unfairness to others, especially women and children, then I'm always gonna speak out.

Can I throw the question back at you and ask what's convincing you that Imane is female?

I'm female, despite looking 'blokeish' on any given day. I'm also a competitor in a sex-segregated event. If my federation wanted to test me, I'd happily allow a cheek swab, which would, without a shadow of a doubt, show me to be female. Why won't Imane Khelif?

[Johnnyspireite7]

You do know that the IBA have been discredited for governance of amateur boxing by several countries due to dodgy testing results and controversies like this. I would check anything they do personally and then dismiss it as factually incorrect.

[stevie_b]

calvin plummers socks, on 16 August 2024 - 02:49 PM, said:

If she was worried about being smashed in the face she shouldn?t have taken up boxing?.



Only medical science (which is often more accurate than someone on a message board possibly)

She signed up to get smacked in the face by other women. She'd happily take that. I think your argument's a bit weak there. 3 out of 10. Could do better!

And what medical scientific proof do you have that Imane Khelif is female? He's failed a gender test previously and won't take a cheek swab. Doesn't look good, does it?

[stevie_b]

Johnnyspireite7, on 17 August 2024 - 01:29 PM, said:

You do know that the IBA have been discredited for governance of amateur boxing by several countries due to dodgy testing results and controversies like this. I would check anything they do personally and then dismiss it as factually incorrect.

I'm aware that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) stripped the IBA of its status as global regulator for the sport. That left the IOC, a corrupt organisation in itself, regulating the boxing in Paris 2024. Thomas Bach, Chair of the IOC, handled the situation with the two boxers so badly that he's been forced to step down. If the IOC wouldn't accept the test results from the IBA, what tests did they put in place to ensure that the female boxers were .... female? Oh yep, that's right. Good old Tommy B pointed out that "Khelif had an F in his passport". Jesus wept. They derecognise the governing body and then allow anyone who claims to be female to compete in the women's boxing. It beggars belief.

I'll ask you. If you had to put your life on it and call it, do you think that Imane Khelif is male or female?

I've stated my truth. Let's hear yours.

This post has been edited by stevie_b: 17 August 2024 - 02:15 PM

[stevie_b]

Meanwhile, in other news, the XY types of the first team are blazing a bit of a trail at the Cornflake Stadium

[calvin plummers socks]

stevie_b, on 17 August 2024 - 01:35 PM, said:

She signed up to get smacked in the face by other women. She'd happily take that. I think your argument's a bit weak there. 3 out of 10. Could do better!

And what medical scientific proof do you have that Imane Khelif is female? He's failed a gender test previously and won't take a cheek swab. Doesn't look good, does it?

She absolutely has never failed any gender test - stop spreading this nonsense

stevie_b, on 17 August 2024 - 01:35 PM, said:

She signed up to get smacked in the face by other women. She'd happily take that. I think your argument's a bit weak there. 3 out of 10. Could do better!

And what medical scientific proof do you have that Imane Khelif is female? He's failed a gender test previously and won't take a cheek swab. Doesn't look good, does it?

Where was your outrage in 2021 on Tokyo or are you just jumping on the Twitter pile on?

[stevie_b]

calvin plummers socks, on 17 August 2024 - 04:12 PM, said:

She absolutely has never failed any gender test - stop spreading this nonsense



Where was your outrage in 2021 on Tokyo or are you just jumping on the Twitter pile on?

Firstly: I'm not on Twitter, so let's put that one to bed.

Secondly: my outrage in previous years may or may not have crept onto your radar: depends on where I was venting and what you were reading at the time.

Thirdly: even if I wasn't previously outraged, do you think that I'm not entitled to be so now?

If you want the truth, as a younger woman I didn't pay too much attention to what men generally thought about women. I wasn't a sports person back then, so that didn't matter. And, when I got sexually assaulted on public transport, I just thought it was 'one of those things'. Never reported it as I probably wouldn't have been believed. And then I got older. And wiser. And menopausal. And gobbier. And richer. And men, as a class, no longer held any interest for me. And that allowed me to see what they really think of women. And it's not pretty.

For the record, I have some good male role models in my life; some on this board.

You do realise that having a go at me causes a real headache for many on Bob's Board? They don't like me cos I'm a woman that dared to get out of her box. But ..... they really don't like you either, do they? So, who to stand with? Oh, the Saturday evening dilemma.

And, as I've asked others, I'll ask you the same question. You claim to be some sort of medical professional don't you? If you life depended on it and you had to make a choice, do you think that Imane Khelif is male or female?

I notice that there's a lot of verbal diarrhoea coming out of folk but that nobody's actually sticking their neck out and saying he's female. Very strange.

This post has been edited by stevie_b: 17 August 2024 - 05:31 PM

[stevie_b]

calvin plummers socks, on 17 August 2024 - 04:12 PM, said:

She absolutely has never failed any gender test - stop spreading this nonsense

He absolutely did. Stop gaslighting everyone!



Where was your outrage in 2021 on Tokyo or are you just jumping on the Twitter pile on?

[Johnnyspireite7]

[color=var(--color-emphasized,#000)]
2023: IBA Championships disqualification
[/color]Khelif receiving her gold medal after defeating Morocco's Ouma?ma Belahbib in the women's welterweight final of the 2023 Arab GamesIn March 2023, Khelif competed for the gold medal in the finals at the IBA Women's World Boxing Championships; however, she was disqualified shortly before her gold medal bout against People's Republic of China boxer Yang Liu. The disqualification came amid allegations from the Russian-led International Boxing Association's (IBA) that Khelif had failed unspecified eligibility tests.^[34] This disqualification happened three days after Khelif defeated Azalia Amineva [ru], a previously unbeaten Russian prospect.^[35][34] The disqualification restored the Russian boxer's undefeated record.^[35][34] According to the Algerian Olympic Committee, Khelif was disqualified due to medical reasons; later reports indicated her testosterone levels were too high to compete.^[36][37] Uzbekistani boxer Navbakhor Khamidova was awarded the bronze medal over Khelif.^[38]

In 2023, Kremlev said that the disqualifications were because DNA tests "proved they had XY chromosomes".^[39][6] The Washington Post stated, "It remains unclear what standards Khelif and Lin Yu-ting failed [in 2023] to lead to the disqualifications",^[6][39] further writing, "There never has been evidence that [...] Khelif [...] had XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone."^[6] The IBA did not reveal the testing methodology, stating the "specifics remain confidential".^[40] At the time, Khelif said the ruling meant having "characteristics that mean I can't box with women", but said she was the victim of a "big conspiracy" regarding the disqualification.^[41] She initially appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport but the appeal was terminated since Khelif couldn't pay the procedural costs. After the appeal, Khelif organised independent tests to clear her name and return to boxing.^[18][42]

On 31 July 2024, regarding their 2023 decision, the IBA stated that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential", and further alleged that they "were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors".^[43] The following day, the IOC released their own statement in response, stating that the IBA's decision was "sudden and arbitrary" and "without any due process". IOC further stated:

According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO. The IBA Board only ratified it afterward and only subsequently requested that a procedure to follow in similar cases in the future be established and reflected in the IBA Regulations. The minutes also say that the IBA should "establish a clear procedure on gender testing".^[44]

[stevie_b]

The Independent
Imane Khelif failed gender eligibility test due to chromosomes, says IBA
alex pattle
Tue, Aug 6, 2024?4 min read

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Imane Khelif failed a gender eligibility test due to the presence of certain chromosomes, the International Boxing Association (IBA) has said.

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The above is from the Independent. Do you have evidence that they're making it up?

[Johnnyspireite7]

Now bearing in mind Khelif would have been subject to regular testing for drugs etc as every sports person is, including the 2021 Olympics, for her career in the 5 years prior to this test how come it never came up before she beat a previously unbeaten Russian. note that the IBA is a Russian lead organisation. Sorry Stevie but you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book.

[stevie_b]

Johnnyspireite7, on 17 August 2024 - 05:44 PM, said:

Now bearing in mind Khelif would have been subject to regular testing for drugs etc as every sports person is, including the 2021 Olympics, for her career in the 5 years prior to this test how come it never came up before she beat a previously unbeaten Russian. note that the IBA is a Russian lead organisation. Sorry Stevie but you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book.

Sorry JS, the only person getting fooled by all this is you.

And you still haven't answered the question: Do you believe that Imane Khelif is female?