[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 01 August 2024 - 04:26 PM, said:

So you don't think all the other BBC radio stations will, in the main, cover our away matches in their local area?

Depends who it is. Some clubs are clearly the 2nd/3rd side in their area.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

Cum on u blues, on 01 August 2024 - 05:25 PM, said:

From memory it?s the same annual cost I paid for NL coverage so chuffed. For other fans who may be on holiday abroad I doubt you?ll be able to tune in as I guess you need to register at a non UK address when you set up the deal. As for the ?sticks? etc I must admit I?ve never once been able to watch a non NL match without being obliged to pay despite lots of efforts and so I declined simply because I never trusted the provider either to keep my details confidential or because I wasn?t sure the service would be up to scratch. No doubt I?m a bit naive as far as getting around these obstacles but better to be safe than sorry.

I agree it?s a bummer for fans to have to pay for 1866, but I suppose at ?1 per match for league games it?s not that bad overall. After all it?s not the most annoying part of tuning in but that?s another matter?

I don?t recall having to put my address in when using NLTV last season, even if I did it made no difference as I watched all the away games using a VPN. Pretty sure it was just an email address and card details. I doubt the club cares where people watch from as it?s all money to the club. Demand for ST?s has shown that it?s unlikely to affect home attendances.
During COVID each club ran their own stream and you had to purchase individually from them to watch the games. I?m assuming it?ll be the same now, I can?t envisage fans having to set up separate accounts with each club to watch games. Realistically most streams will be away fans not home fans except for the exiles.

[JonB]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 01 August 2024 - 07:44 PM, said:

I don?t recall having to put my address in when using NLTV last season, even if I did it made no difference as I watched all the away games using a VPN. Pretty sure it was just an email address and card details. I doubt the club cares where people watch from as it?s all money to the club. Demand for ST?s has shown that it?s unlikely to affect home attendances.
During COVID each club ran their own stream and you had to purchase individually from them to watch the games. I?m assuming it?ll be the same now, I can?t envisage fans having to set up separate accounts with each club to watch games. Realistically most streams will be away fans not home fans except for the exiles.

Ifollow services in the past were different to NLTV last couple of seasons. NLTV just did it based on IP Address location hence a VPN worked fine. iFollow previously did need you to sign up with an overseas postal address and overseas payment information so different to NLTV and due to this not as easy to watch as you need more than a VPn.

[azul]

DerbySpireite59, on 01 August 2024 - 12:37 PM, said:

Interesting that you quoted ?45. Pure
co-incidence? ��������

Every EFL club that utilises an iFollow style service charged for audio and that is the price without exception, so it wasn't a coincidence. I argued this repeatedly when discussing the pros and cons (con con con) of an iFollow type deal with our dear friend 'Town Fan' and got no sensible response.

We will be paying for live audio commentary for what was once free no matter who is providing the actual commentary. Great deal for all concerned apart for domestic supporters. Let's hope that we can bypass international restrictions with a VPN and then at least it will mitigate what is a terrible deal for the average supporter.

Although the charges for audio streaming behind a paywall seems to be at the insistence of the EFL, hopefully we won't eventually end up needing a subscription to view highlights, interviews and features that some EFL clubs have implemented.

This post has been edited by azul: 02 August 2024 - 12:21 AM

[azul]

JonB, on 01 August 2024 - 08:08 PM, said:

Ifollow services in the past were different to NLTV last couple of seasons. NLTV just did it based on IP Address location hence a VPN worked fine. iFollow previously did need you to sign up with an overseas postal address and overseas payment information so different to NLTV and due to this not as easy to watch as you need more than a VPn.

We had iFollow for international streaming for just one season in our 2018 relegation year and it did have an extra level of validation which I fell foul of when moving around real countries. It will be interesting to see if it is as simple to fool with a VPN as NLTV.

This post has been edited by azul: 02 August 2024 - 12:23 AM

[born in 1866]

Cosmo Kramer, on 01 August 2024 - 05:32 PM, said:

You won't pay for 1866. Unfortunately, it seems that they are unable to broadcast the match commentary for free due to EFL rules so that will be on a paid service whilst 1866 remains free and carries pre and post game shows.

Which seems strange as both BBC and local commercial stations give match day commentary of their teams without the need of a subscription.

[JonB]

born in 1866, on 02 August 2024 - 08:18 AM, said:

Which seems strange as both BBC and local commercial stations give match day commentary of their teams without the need of a subscription.

Not online though only via Radio that you can pick up if you are within range of getting it. Its online commentary that falls under the rights that they sell. If you try to access Radio Sheffield commentary online you just get a message about it cant be listened to.

[DerbySpireite59]

born in 1866, on 02 August 2024 - 08:18 AM, said:

Which seems strange as both BBC and local commercial stations give match day commentary of their teams without the need of a subscription.

My understanding of this is as follows:

1866 Sport is simply the brand name for Chesterfield FC's very own online sports radio station.

BBC and commercial stations don't have teams upon which to give commentary. They report upon teams that play within their transmission areas.They will already have had commercial arrangements in place with the club, prior to the EFL's deal with Sky.

Hope this helps demystify things a bit.

Perhaps Town should/could seperate 1866 Sport from the Club?

This post has been edited by DerbySpireite59: 02 August 2024 - 09:01 AM

[Town_Fan]

azul, on 01 August 2024 - 11:51 PM, said:

Every EFL club that utilises an iFollow style service charged for audio and that is the price without exception, so it wasn't a coincidence. I argued this repeatedly when discussing the pros and cons (con con con) of an iFollow type deal with our dear friend 'Town Fan' and got no sensible response.

The EFL insist on domestic commentary being behind a paywall, all other points are moot. Broadcasting internationally or not wouldn't have changed this. For you to suggest one depended on the other is disingenuous.

DerbySpireite59, on 02 August 2024 - 08:58 AM, said:

Perhaps Town should/could seperate 1866 Sport from the Club?

I don't think it would make any difference. The same rules apply.

[financejon]

azul, on 02 August 2024 - 12:16 AM, said:

We had iFollow for international streaming for just one season in our 2018 relegation year and it did have an extra level of validation which I fell foul of when moving around real countries. It will be interesting to see if it is as simple to fool with a VPN as NLTV.

It will be interesting to see as some VPN services are better than others and examples of successes (if any!) and failures will be interesting after the first few games for those trying the technology

[JonB]

financejon, on 02 August 2024 - 10:23 AM, said:

It will be interesting to see as some VPN services are better than others and examples of successes (if any!) and failures will be interesting after the first few games for those trying the technology

The VPN wont make a lot of difference whatever you choose if the service needs an overseas bank and address to sign up! Also a VPN will make no difference to the fact you have to pay no matter what for the various services including audio coverage.

[Town_Fan]

financejon, on 02 August 2024 - 10:23 AM, said:

It will be interesting to see as some VPN services are better than others and examples of successes (if any!) and failures will be interesting after the first few games for those trying the technology

Ifollow keep a database of VPN IP addresses so its best to use one of the less common providers.

I dont think CFC are using ifollow are they? I think Ifollow only offer the full season pass at 210 euros for Euro based subscribers.

Hmmm 210 euros could equate to 190 pounds I guess...

[Blue5]

Town_Fan, on 02 August 2024 - 10:06 AM, said:

The EFL insist on domestic commentary being behind a paywall, all other points are moot.

Mindful of the EFL's rules and that we as a club have provided free commentary prior to this season and by the sound of things wanted to continue doing so, could we have built a nominal amount (less than what's being charged) into the cost of a season ticket and at the same time complied with the league's rules? I know this wouldn't have helped your situation, but it would have been helpful to a lot of others.

This post has been edited by Blue5: 02 August 2024 - 11:11 AM

[Town_Fan]

Blue5, on 02 August 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

Mindful of the EFL's rules and that we as a club have provided free commentary prior to this season and by the sound of things wanted to continue doing so, could we have built a nominal amount (less than what's being charged) into the cost of a season ticket and at the same time complied with the league's rules? I know this wouldn't have helped your situation, but it would have been helpful to a lot of others.

From an advertising revenue POV I'm sure the club would have wanted to make 1866 as widely available as possible. It will be interesting to see the revenue from subs versus what could have been made in potential advertising. Maybe the club can double dip here and get revenue from both?

It would be interesting to know if the subscription cost is set by the EFL or by the online access provider or indeed the club if its an independent operation.

[DerbySpireite59]

Town_Fan, on 02 August 2024 - 10:06 AM, said:

The EFL insist on domestic commentary being behind a paywall, all other points are moot. Broadcasting internationally or not wouldn't have changed this. For you to suggest one depended on the other is disingenuous.



I don't think it would make any difference. The same rules apply.

I get you.👍

[Bluekent]

Town_Fan, on 02 August 2024 - 11:31 AM, said:

From an advertising revenue POV I'm sure the club would have wanted to make 1866 as widely available as possible. It will be interesting to see the revenue from subs versus what could have been made in potential advertising. Maybe the club can double dip here and get revenue from both?

It would be interesting to know if the subscription cost is set by the EFL or by the online access provider or indeed the club if its an independent operation.

So will I still be able to do what I did last season for away games if I don?t go? Turn my vpn on , pay for the stream then turn it back on in time for coverage? I never used an address or bank abroad. I just set my location for New York on the vpn , used my normal account and it went through fine.

[JonB]

Bluekent, on 02 August 2024 - 01:56 PM, said:

So will I still be able to do what I did last season for away games if I don?t go? Turn my vpn on , pay for the stream then turn it back on in time for coverage? I never used an address or bank abroad. I just set my location for New York on the vpn , used my normal account and it went through fine.

Its not completely clear as yet but i suspect no that wont work. As it stands the iFollow system requires you to sign up with an overseas bank payment and address so while you can trick the IT side into thinking you are abroad there are other hurdles to jump over to get signed up. The NLTV system was different and i always got the impression they did the basic IP check to see if you were overseas but never went any further than that.

[azul]

JonB, on 02 August 2024 - 02:11 PM, said:

Its not completely clear as yet but i suspect no that wont work. As it stands the iFollow system requires you to sign up with an overseas bank payment and address so while you can trick the IT side into thinking you are abroad there are other hurdles to jump over to get signed up. The NLTV system was different and i always got the impression they did the basic IP check to see if you were overseas but never went any further than that.

Looking around some forums and it looks like you can use a VPN with a UK account without a problem, last season at least. Perhaps iFollow are turning a blind eye to using VPNs now. After all it will help there revenue stream if they allow people to get round the issue.

[Town_Fan]

azul, on 02 August 2024 - 02:58 PM, said:

Looking around some forums and it looks like you can use a VPN with a UK account without a problem, last season at least. Perhaps iFollow are turning a blind eye to using VPNs now. After all it will help there revenue stream if they allow people to get round the issue.

Have to agree, from all the digging around I've done, I haven't seen any reference to having to use overseas payments. I remember when we had access to ifollow (or whatever it was at the time) when we were last in the EFL "my friend's" home address was a hotel in Barcelona but he definitely paid with a uk card.

I guess the only issue is if Sky start kicking up a fuss.

Another issue is tracking cookies giving away your location. i'd recommend using a dedicated browser with a privacy mode activated.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

Listening to 1866 for tonight?s match and it keeps playing music at random intervals. Just kicked into Sean Paul and The Saturdays. Ah just heard Phil Tooley say he had clicked a button by mistake. However it?s happened a few times during the commentary.