[JonB]

dim view, on 12 July 2024 - 06:23 AM, said:

Morning.
I'm not sure how offside can be automated, but it's supposed to be. Do they put the sensor in the toe or the heel of a boot?

VAR is "semi automated" apparently and has been used at previous tournaments and in some leagues in Europe as well. Also believe its coming to the Premier League next season so we dont have the farce we saw last season of someone manually drawing lines on the screen etc. That offside tech does seem to work...looks like its based on footage from various cameras etc and also in this tournament assisted by the chip in the ball to determine when it was played to the person potentially offside :-

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"VAR officials will also make use of the sensor during offside decisions, as determining the exact kick point is an essential part of the process for the semi-automated offside technology.

Triangulation by numerous cameras in the stadium can produce a real-time representation of the match by a computer, which then determines if a player was on- or offside. However, in order to do so, it must know exactly when the pass in question was delivered so it can position the players on the field properly. It uses the contact sensor to do just this, as the ball will communicate to the semi-automated offside processor exactly when it was kicked."

dim view, on 12 July 2024 - 06:23 AM, said:

Imo, the challenge on Kane wasn't 50-50 and wasn't a foul. I'm not aware of anyone that's posted that the rules are different in the box but I might be wrong. Their interpretation is though, which might be the same as saying the rules are different. For example a raised foot or overhead kick to volley away a ball on the goal line in spite of being potentially dangerous would not be penalised.

Think its fairly obvious i thought it was a foul on this thread, it wasnt 50/50 at all as the defender was late tackling Kane with his studs up. I think some have said not that the rules show a level of interpretation so it needs to be more of a foul to be a pen etc but it does seem at times that decisions that officials would give all the time without thinking outside the box dont get given in the box because the result would be a penalty. Its almost like the ref thinks it needs to be more of an offence and he needs to be completely certain it was a foul to result in the potentially match changing decision of a penalty. All the shoving and holding at set pieces into the box that goes unpunished for example but outside the box they blow for a foul no problem.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 12 July 2024 - 07:22 AM, said:

In terms of handball in this tournament they have a chip in the ball that can determine the ball striking something so synced up with the pictures can determine if it touched a hand etc so while not automated as such there is technology in use to assist with handball decisions. Didnt Belgium have a decision against them based on information from the chip in the ball?
https://www.sporting...226bde802160732

It's getting beyond a joke now where will it end.
Did it brush a hand or was there a fly in close proximity. Is an hairsuit player more likely to be punished for handball than one who isn't. Is a lady more likely to be offside if she's got (best not go there).
Joking apart folk are getting cheesed of with it. How difficult would it be for all 92 to clubs to contact their season ticket holders (a good representation of genuine fans) and ask the following 2 question. 1/ Are you in favour of VAR? yes or no.
2/ Would you prefer to revert to pre VAR days yes or no.

Bearing in mind 'goal line'technology would remain.

With all the data bases available it wouldn't be an arduous task to compile and I bet the % turnout would be greater than last Thursday.

I appreciate a negative vote wouldn't be listened too, some powerful folk have to much invested,but it would certainly show the football publics disdain.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 12 July 2024 - 08:15 AM

[JonB]

clarevoyant., on 12 July 2024 - 07:59 AM, said:

It's getting beyond a joke now where will it end.
Did it brush a hand or was there a fly in close proximity. Is an hairsuit player more likely to be punished for handball than one who isn't. Is a lady more likely to be offside if she's got (best not go there).
Joking apart folk are getting cheesed of with it. How difficult would it be for all 92 to clubs to contact their season ticket holders (a good representation of genuine fans) and ask the following 2 question. 1/ Are you in favour of VAR? yes or no.
2/ Would you prefer to revert to pre VAR days yes or no.

Bearing in mind 'goal line'technology would remain.

With all the data bases available it wouldn't be an arduous task to compile and I bet the % turnout would be greater than last Thursday.

I appreciate a negative vote wouldn't be listened too, some powerful folk have to much invested,but it would certainly show the football publics disdain.

I think we are now well into the realms of its here to stay and just a case now of getting it to work as best they can. Been too much complaining in pre VAR days and folk saying we need video replays and we're now down the rabbit hole of using it. I think the tech for goal line decisions and the semi automated offside works well and isnt an issue mainly because they are yes\no decisions with no interpretation needed. The issue is things where it just ends up being someone else looking at whether someone handballed it or kicked someone and its now decided by more than one opinion etc...they need to come up with better laws and processes for things.

[Sammy Spireite]

A team of officials ware put in charge of any game to officiate that game to their interpretation of the official laws of the game.

Some decisions are subjective, based on the ref's and his assistants (and now the VAR officials) views and opinions. As with most human decisions, there will be an element of unconscious bias involved, too.

The officials in this game decided it was a penalty, others may not have done, so what?

There were plenty of other decisions during the game (and during most games for that matter) that other officials would/wouldn't have given too.

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 11 July 2024 - 06:33 PM, said:

Nobody watching the game thought it was a penalty, if they did they are lying ( in real time), I understand how the ref did not give it but with further angles I believe it?s a penalty, not the refs fault, he just followed the protocols of the modern game

Christina Unkel, FIFA ref and world renowned VAR expert (according to papers) says protocols weren't followed. She continues to argue that the threshold for overturning the ref's original decision wasn't breached.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

clarevoyant., on 12 July 2024 - 07:59 AM, said:

It's getting beyond a joke now where will it end.
Did it brush a hand or was there a fly in close proximity. Is an hairsuit player more likely to be punished for handball than one who isn't. Is a lady more likely to be offside if she's got (best not go there).
Joking apart folk are getting cheesed of with it. How difficult would it be for all 92 to clubs to contact their season ticket holders (a good representation of genuine fans) and ask the following 2 question. 1/ Are you in favour of VAR? yes or no.
2/ Would you prefer to revert to pre VAR days yes or no.

Bearing in mind 'goal line'technology would remain.

With all the data bases available it wouldn't be an arduous task to compile and I bet the % turnout would be greater than last Thursday.

I appreciate a negative vote wouldn't be listened too, some powerful folk have to much invested,but it would certainly show the football publics disdain.

Hairsuit 😂. I hope that was auto correct at work.