[60s 70s Spireite]

Goku, on 08 July 2024 - 07:10 AM, said:

We score when we abandon Southgate?s football terrorism tactics - when we rely on our players? individual brilliance, rather than the dour style he has us playing in for the majority of the match.

Including the sometimes alleged Neanderthal tactic of a long throw.
Also to repeat, for our younger viewers, the so called worldie of Bellingham?s goal, was seen by our fans at least twice, by the same player- one Ernie Moss. A corner, on this case, to the near post, a tip on header, and a balletic overhead goal by our late lamented talisman. One away at Rotherham and one at home, v Wrexham I think.

[CFC91]

60s 70s Spireite, on 08 July 2024 - 07:40 AM, said:

Including the sometimes alleged Neanderthal tactic of a long throw.
Also to repeat, for our younger viewers, the so called worldie of Bellingham?s goal, was seen by our fans at least twice, by the same player- one Ernie Moss. A corner, on this case, to the near post, a tip on header, and a balletic overhead goal by our late lamented talisman. One away at Rotherham and one at home, v Wrexham I think.

& Chris Brandon, Vale at home maybe in front of the Cross St?

[60s 70s Spireite]

jonnythespireite, on 08 July 2024 - 07:39 AM, said:

Hurst played in 66 because Greaves was injured.

Although Greaves was fit for the final, but Alf decided to stick with Hirst.

[jonnythespireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 08 July 2024 - 07:43 AM, said:

Although Greaves was fit for the final, but Alf decided to stick with Hirst.

Correct but doubt Greaves was 100%

[Tylerdurdencfc]

jonnythespireite, on 08 July 2024 - 07:39 AM, said:

Hurst played in 66 because Greaves was injured.

He was injured in the group stages and fit for the final but Hurst kept his place as SAR opted not to change a winning team.

[Bald magician]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 07 July 2024 - 06:56 PM, said:

Never known so much bull in one post. I bet you were a happy clapper under Rushbury, Saunders, and others. You'd be the one still clapping at the end of a 7-0 loss away at Plymouth were they took their 3 best players off at half time I bet.

The current England team have the best player in Premiership last season, the top scorer in the German League, the best player in the Spanish League and potentially the world, along with an abundance of ypung talent that are being totally mis-managed.

I guess, Portugal, Brazil, West Germany and the others in 1966 were all crappie then. And by the way Sir Alf, took the decision to leave JG out of the team in favour of GH, a brave tactical decision to make and not one that Southgate would evwr contemplate doing. Kane has been awful, and should have being hooked off in numerous games. The team looks much more fluid without him.

Southgates record against the top 10 ranked teams in won 6 in 28 games. Appalling, the reason is he is clueless tactically and defensive minded and its boring football.

Bellingham and Saka's individual brilliance has get home this far, nothing else, otherwise we would have been on the plane home a while ago, with everyone slating him.

Even the pundits have had to keep it down a tone as you can clearly see they've all been frustrated and tried not to get on his back.

I keep hearing the same stat from the Southgate / England bashers, only 6 wins in 28 games against top ten ranked teams.

Just to further analyse this stat what are other ? top team? stats against similar opposition? Is 6 wins the average for example?

Just trying to put the stat in context ?

[hilly81]

JonB, on 08 July 2024 - 07:29 AM, said:

I can imagine the fun on here if we lost a load of games in a run but at least we did it in an entertaining manner.....

Exactly. Entertainment is normally a by product of playing well and winning. I?m a lot happier going home after a scrappy 1:0 win than a thrilling 4:3 defeat.

[JonB]

A referee previously banned and fined for match fixing and has previous with Bellingham who got a fine for criticising him has been appointed to take charge of the match v Holland! Good old UEFA!

[spireitetoo]

JonB, on 08 July 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

A referee previously banned and fined for match fixing and has previous with Bellingham who got a fine for criticising him has been appointed to take charge of the match v Holland! Good old UEFA!

Get on him to be sent off.

[JonB]

Reading past the headline it appears said match fixing incident was back in 2005, was fined 40,000 and banned for 6 months. The Bellingham part came up after the ref reffed a Dortmund game and didnt do a great job by the sounds of it, Bellingham questioned him being back refereeing i think and got fined himself for it.

[Osborne again]

JonB, on 08 July 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

A referee previously banned and fined for match fixing and has previous with Bellingham who got a fine for criticising him has been appointed to take charge of the match v Holland! Good old UEFA!

I hope you're not questioning the integrity of the blazer wearing chumps who run the European game😂😂😂.

[JonB]

Osborne again, on 08 July 2024 - 02:26 PM, said:

I hope you're not questioning the integrity of the blazer wearing chumps who run the European game😂😂😂.

Not saying they have done anything meaning it just they dont help themselves when its likely a simple decision to not have a bloke with a chequered past officiating a major semi final especially when he has previous with players involved. Its just opening things up to be questioned and\or have issues post match to deal with. What he's doing still reffing at the top level anyway is a bonkers decision after being done for match fixing.

Its just typical UEFA blindness!

[sixmilliondollardan]

sophocles, on 07 July 2024 - 02:36 PM, said:

It would be great if the teams we support could always win and 'entertain' at the same time, but if you're entering a competition, surely the prime aim is to win, looking pretty comes second, though some of our posters appear to believe the reverse is true. Regarding managers, Southgate is by far the best manager England have ever had IMO. The achievement of Alf Ramsey can never be diminished, but a lot of people forget how many advantages he had in 1966. The competition was on home soil, he had the best goalkeeper in the world, Gordon Banks, the best CH Bobby Moore, the best midfielder Bobby Charlton, and a CF in Hurst who proved to be the only striker ever to score a WorldCup final hat-trick. This was backed up by excellent defenders in Jack Charlton, Cohen & Wilson, and top class midfielders Alan Ball, Nobby Styles and Martin Peters. Ramsey also had massive strokes of good fortune such as the Argentine captain being sent off in the quarter final, and a crucial goal given in the final by a linesman who was not in a position to judge conclusively that the ball had crossed the line. As I've said, nothing can reduce the greatness of the 1966 achievement, but it doesn't mean Ramsey can automatically be named as England's best ever manager. Southgate, on the other hand, has had to deal with hugely increased media scrutiny, and vastly highly paid and high profile players. The job he has done in building a harmonious squad mentality and producing excellent results in the biggest competitions against opponents who are relatively far stronger than most were in 1966, makes him, in my view, the best England manager to date.

The idea that Southgate is better than Ramsey is perverse. At club level Southgate ended up getting relegated with Middlesbrough, Ramsay won the league with Ipswich... in the season after getting them promoted! Ramsey also, and this is important, WON THE WORLD CUP. What pearls have you got for us next? Brazil 1970: rubbish? Maradona: couldn't match up to Jarrod Bowen?

[Osborne again]

JonB, on 08 July 2024 - 02:32 PM, said:

Not saying they have done anything meaning it just they dont help themselves when its likely a simple decision to not have a bloke with a chequered past officiating a major semi final especially when he has previous with players involved. Its just opening things up to be questioned and\or have issues post match to deal with. What he's doing still reffing at the top level anyway is a bonkers decision after being done for match fixing.

Its just typical UEFA blindness!

Mate, it's typical of those who run the game we love so much. It can't be right if someone has been found wanting on the integrity side that they can go on to officiate anything ever again. I'm all for rehabilitation but you wouldn't expect your local convicted coke dealer to be left in charge of the drug trolley on the Murphy ward.

[calvin plummers socks]

sixmilliondollardan, on 08 July 2024 - 03:29 PM, said:

The idea that Southgate is better than Ramsey is perverse. At club level Southgate ended up getting relegated with Middlesbrough, Ramsay won the league with Ipswich... in the season after getting them promoted! Ramsey also, and this is important, WON THE WORLD CUP. What pearls have you got for us next? Brazil 1970: rubbish? Maradona: couldn't match up to Jarrod Bowen?

I think you?re thinking that club management is the same or similar to managing a National team?

[oldgoat]

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cjk3xgk2y87o

[sixmilliondollardan]

calvin plummers socks, on 08 July 2024 - 04:59 PM, said:

I think you?re thinking that club management is the same or similar to managing a National team?

I think you can't read the words WON THE WORLD CUP.

[calvin plummers socks]

sixmilliondollardan, on 08 July 2024 - 08:10 PM, said:

I think you can't read the words WON THE WORLD CUP.

FWIW I do think Sir Alf was the greatest - but GS is running him close

[sophocles]

Goku, on 08 July 2024 - 07:10 AM, said:

We score when we abandon Southgate?s football terrorism tactics - when we rely on our players? individual brilliance, rather than the dour style he has us playing in for the majority of the match.

You mean the players GS has selected and coached? So you think the manager should be vilified for the times in the game when the players are not lighting the pitch up, but is to be given no credit for coaching and organising the very same players in the very same game when they perform brilliantly? What a very odd way to 'support' your nation.

[Goku]

sophocles, on 08 July 2024 - 10:30 PM, said:

You mean the players GS has selected and coached? So you think the manager should be vilified for the times in the game when the players are not lighting the pitch up, but is to be given no credit for coaching and organising the very same players in the very same game when they perform brilliantly? What a very odd way to 'support' your nation.

Doesn?t really matter how I ?support? my nation does it, I?m just sat watching it in front of a pub telly thousands of miles from where they?re playing.

Yes Gareth, well done for selecting and coaching Jude Bellingham, Harry Kane and Bukayo Saka, 3 players who are already world class. Although, Gareth?s coaching/style of play has lead to 2 of these 3 players looking fairly awful throughout the tournament. The manager should be criticised when he sets a team up with awful patterns of play, that makes our world class front 4 look mundane and turgid, for being reactive rather than proactive etc. he does not deserve credit when Saka wanders in off the right in his favoured position and pings one in off the post from 25 yards because we have to resort to individual brilliance rather than relying on creating opportunities from tactical know-how and well-coached patterns of play. We?ve played well for about 50 minutes this tournament - we may go on to win the thing having only played well for 60, and nobody would be happier than me, but this is not a well-coached team in terms of attacking play, even taking into account that we?re not the only team who has struggled with that side of things during this competition. And that?s before we get into the fact he brought one unfit left back to a tournament and kept playing Foden down the left, completely nullifying any threat we had from one third of the pitch for multiple games. I could go on. Fact remains we create basically nothing until we concede, then Gareth has to abandon his defensive style of play and our incredibly talented players have to go on and score using their individual brilliance.