[Search & Destroy]

I can’t see us arguing for this anytime soon

Assuming we are promoted, at a vote which way would you prefer our representatives to vote?

[gordon_brittas]

It’s never going to happen. The league lost interest once Wrexham went up. I’d hope we’d vote in favour as the current system is deadly unfair.

A fairer way is bottom 2 straight down, top 2 straight up and the 3rd bottom plays the playoff winner in a home/away 2 leg tie, like in the Scottish Second Division. It’s seen a lot of the deadweight sides such as East Stirlingshire, Berwick down as they are so poor yet avoid the trapdoor season after season.

[Osborne again]

Getting out of this league is akin to getting out of Bellmarsh. It does need to change, but those in charge of this league are happy with the likes of us and Oldham being stuck here, and if there was a way they could prevent us from going up they'd probably employ it.

[Brookie]

While plastic pudding pitches are allowed in the National league and standing there will never be 3 up down

[Town_Fan]

gordon_brittas, on 03 March 2024 - 12:56 PM, said:

It’s never going to happen. The league lost interest once Wrexham went up. I’d hope we’d vote in favour as the current system is deadly unfair.

A fairer way is bottom 2 straight down, top 2 straight up and the 3rd bottom plays the playoff winner in a home/away 2 leg tie, like in the Scottish Second Division. It’s seen a lot of the deadweight sides such as East Stirlingshire, Berwick down as they are so poor yet avoid the trapdoor season after season.

Will never happen as they are under control of 2 different leagues with separate rule books. Maybe if it came under the jurisdiction of the FA like the FA Cup then that might be a possibility.

[azul]

Town_Fan, on 03 March 2024 - 04:09 PM, said:

Will never happen as they are under control of 2 different leagues with separate rule books. Maybe if it came under the jurisdiction of the FA like the FA Cup then that might be a possibility.

That would be the first thing the NL would resolve if they had any commitment to 3 up 3 down.

[Blue roan lily]

Osborne again, on 03 March 2024 - 01:49 PM, said:

Getting out of this league is akin to getting out of Bellmarsh. It does need to change, but those in charge of this league are happy with the likes of us and Oldham being stuck here, and if there was a way they could prevent us from going up they'd probably employ it.

100% correct.
The powers that be in this league need the likes of us, Oldham, Notts County and Wrexham ( from time to time ) to be in it.
Brings the non league ‘X Factor’ and creates the television interest.
They don’t want it to be full of Wealdstone and their likes etc.
Although their ain’t oat wrong with Wealdstone!!!

[Spireite93]

I honestly think we could see this change within the next few seasons

If Sutton and Forest Green come down this year with us and Oldham going up, that massively affects the attendance figures

Southend you would expect to come good at some point, but beyond that you only have Hartlepool, who are on their way to becoming a yo yo team as well as Barnet who already are

The more former league clubs that escape taking with them notoriety, alongside the former non league clubs that can't cut it in the league dropping down, then the more likely it is that the National League advocate for 3 down to try and drag any basket case sides into their grasps

[Mr Mercury]

Blue roan lily, on 03 March 2024 - 06:12 PM, said:

100% correct.
The powers that be in this league need the likes of us, Oldham, Notts County and Wrexham ( from time to time ) to be in it.
Brings the non league ‘X Factor’ and creates the television interest.
They don’t want it to be full of Wealdstone and their likes etc.
Although their ain’t oat wrong with Wealdstone!!!

I said this years ago, they love the idea of netting the bigger fish down here for their own ends, and tbh you can’t blame then, but it’s short sighted in the fact that 3 up/3 down allows the potential for more bigger fish.

[Holmesc1]

Should have been 3 up 3 down years ago. Would sure stop some very big teams been in the national league for several seasons. On thing 3 up 3 down would create is yo yo clubs which we dont see many off. Dont recall a promoted side ever going straight back down

[Looker-on]

I think we should support it. Us, Oldham, Notts, Wrexham, Stockport were not trapped in this league by a lack of promotion places, but were in it because we all had terrible owners at the time we were relegated, and none of those sides were successful until the terrible owners were cleared out. Three up liberates more teams, but three down also condemns more EFL teams to the drop. Three down this season might have dragged Grimsby or Donny into it, who would be as big a club as we are in the NL.

[DIFH]

Could almost guarantee clubs going to the wall.

[Siberian Spireite]

gordon_brittas, on 03 March 2024 - 12:56 PM, said:

It’s never going to happen. The league lost interest once Wrexham went up. I’d hope we’d vote in favour as the current system is deadly unfair.

A fairer way is bottom 2 straight down, top 2 straight up and the 3rd bottom plays the playoff winner in a home/away 2 leg tie, like in the Scottish Second Division. It’s seen a lot of the deadweight sides such as East Stirlingshire, Berwick down as they are so poor yet avoid the trapdoor season after season.

East Stirlingshire yes, Berwick no. Also, wildly inaccurate as it’s only the side at the bottom of the Scottish League which plays the winner of a playoff between the Highland and Lowland League winners..
It’s just the classic ‘Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas’…. until enough turkeys have dropped through the trapdoor to make enough noise to agitate for things to change.
Scotland is different as it has only recently formed a pyramid in the same sense as England, which in turn has incentivised monied owners to gamble at smaller clubs. That possibility has long existed in England.

This post has been edited by Siberian Spireite: 04 March 2024 - 11:10 PM

[azul]

Even though they claim the distribution model is unfair, League 2 clubs received £1.1M in EFL from central funding and trickle down funding from the Premiership. This looks like increasing with a new TV deal and other increases. Compare that to what NL clubs get in central funding and you see a major reason why 3 up 3 down will never happen unless there is a fairer distribution.

[JonB]

Siberian Spireite, on 04 March 2024 - 11:07 PM, said:

East Stirlingshire yes, Berwick no. Also, wildly inaccurate as it’s only the side at the bottom of the Scottish League which plays the winner of a playoff between the Highland and Lowland League winners..
It’s just the classic ‘Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas’…. until enough turkeys have dropped through the trapdoor to make enough noise to agitate for things to change.
Scotland is different as it has only recently formed a pyramid in the same sense as England, which in turn has incentivised monied owners to gamble at smaller clubs. That possibility has long existed in England.

They did say the last time it was sort of discussed that it wouldnt be league two clubs voting but the whole of the EFL so Championship, League 1 and League 2 and would likely be part of an overall restructure of promotion\relegation to standardise it and get further funding etc from the Premier League. If that was to be the case the general expectation was that it would pass as the number of clubs voting against for fear of increased chance of falling out of the league would be out voted by teams happy with the plan.

[Mr Mercury]

Hopefully this doesn?t ever concern us again but after promising noises from the EFL over the last cpl of years it seems the NL are still facing an uphill battle to bring the promotion and relegation numbers between the NL and EFL into line with the rest of the pyramid.

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c627ldxkdlgo

[Search & Destroy]

Fook that

One up one down

Says the selfish me

But 3 up 3 down would certainly improve the NL on the whole

This post has been edited by Search & Destroy: 05 February 2025 - 08:04 AM

[Osborne again]

JonB, on 05 March 2024 - 08:04 AM, said:

They did say the last time it was sort of discussed that it wouldnt be league two clubs voting but the whole of the EFL so Championship, League 1 and League 2 and would likely be part of an overall restructure of promotion\relegation to standardise it and get further funding etc from the Premier League. If that was to be the case the general expectation was that it would pass as the number of clubs voting against for fear of increased chance of falling out of the league would be out voted by teams happy with the plan.

I'll say this much,the National League isn't what it used to be,but it still needs work to make it fit for purpose. It would probably be better if the EFL took it on as division 3 to get rid of the clowns running it at present.
I hope we never end up there again,that's for sure.

[JonB]

Things on both sides need improving, too many teams are escaping annual relegation battles from League 2 because there are generally a couple of teams worse, standard of League 2 would likely improve with 3 up 3 down. However the running of the National League by the board is a farce, latest example being this backing of scrapping replays which the NL clubs didnt want in return for some Premier League cash and this crap cup against Prem U21 teams that the NL clubs didnt want. We all know about how they split up the covid cash etc.

[Osborne again]

JonB, on 05 February 2025 - 08:13 AM, said:

Things on both sides need improving, too many teams are escaping annual relegation battles from League 2 because there are generally a couple of teams worse, standard of League 2 would likely improve with 3 up 3 down. However the running of the National League by the board is a farce, latest example being this backing of scrapping replays which the NL clubs didnt want in return for some Premier League cash and this crap cup against Prem U21 teams that the NL clubs didnt want. We all know about how they split up the covid cash etc.

Exactly my meaning regards the National League. We, as a club didn't get much out of it, but they cater for their own far better. Every club that's dropped into the cesspit have the same stories to tell.