[dim view]

Wooden Spoon, on 21 June 2023 - 08:05 PM, said:

That is an insane signing for us at this level.


It would be like Harry Maguire joining a club like Charlton

Or Sami Morsy joining us when OOC next year.

[prolurker]

dim view, on 22 June 2023 - 08:24 AM, said:

Or Sami Morsy joining us when OOC next year.

Sam Morsy back here at 32 would be an absolute dream.

[Rogerwillis]

Anyone that goes to games and listens to what people say and shout knows that 40% of people have neither played or know what they are looking at #gerritforrad

Wooden Spoon, on 21 June 2023 - 08:05 PM, said:

That is an insane signing for us at this level.


It would be like Harry Maguire joining a club like Charlton

Insanity is writin mg this about a player that up until 4 weeks ago you had never heard of

[Sammy Spireite]

prolurker, on 22 June 2023 - 08:26 AM, said:

Sam Morsy back here at 32 would be an absolute dream.

That'll depend if PC is still here next summer, id guess.

[SpireRam]

prolurker, on 22 June 2023 - 08:26 AM, said:

Sam Morsy back here at 32 would be an absolute dream.

Sammy has said publicly on a couple of occasions that he’d like to come back here at some point.

I think if we’re in L2 with Cook next year we’d have every chance of him coming in.

Need to stop this talk now as the thought gets me far too giddy.

This post has been edited by SpireRam: 22 June 2023 - 08:54 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

Rogerwillis, on 22 June 2023 - 08:48 AM, said:

Anyone that goes to games and listens to what people say and shout knows that 40% of people have neither played or know what they are looking at #gerritforrad



Insanity is writin mg this about a player that up until 4 weeks ago you had never heard of

Oh dear - That went right over your head didn’t it.


You don’t think it’s a real head turning signing when a player who was in the championship last season signs for a national league club?

dim view, on 22 June 2023 - 08:24 AM, said:

Or Sami Morsy joining us when OOC next year.

I could see that happening if we’re in L2

[stokey]

Just got 4-1 on Town as outright winners on Bet Victor - put £60 on

[Valley Blues]

Rogerwillis, on 22 June 2023 - 08:48 AM, said:

Anyone that goes to games and listens to what people say and shout knows that 40% of people have neither played or know what they are looking at #gerritforrad



Insanity is writin mg this about a player that up until 4 weeks ago you had never heard of

I assume by this post you have some sort of superiority complex on the tactical side of the professional game.

After all, the majority of pro and semi-pro sides from, say, L1 downwards are certainly not averse to getting it forward quickly so maybe non of them know what they’re doing?

And arguably the best footballing side on the planet that make Cook’s style look like the Crazy Gang are quite happy to utilise their goalkeeper, who has a passing range as good as any midfielder in the world, to knock the ball 60 yards long to feet.

There is always a time to #gerritforrad and those that don’t recognise it maybe need to repeat their coaching classes.

[metallilad]

Rogerwillis, on 22 June 2023 - 08:48 AM, said:

Anyone that goes to games and listens to what people say and shout knows that 40% of people have neither played or know what they are looking at #gerritforrad

That's just arrogant, ignorant and belittleing of people who just hold a different opinion to you.
What you need to realise that most of these people your referring to will come from an era where football played further up the pitch was the norm. Look at the Man Utd sides that Fergie put together in his tenure, the Arsenal team that rivalled them, Blackburn under Dalglish, Newcastle under Keegan, O'Leary's Leeds team all pressing players as soon as the opposition touched the ball as to win it back as high up the pitch before playing the forwards in. None of the modern tippy tappy bo**ocks that goes on. So it's not the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but more of the fact that playing the ball around the back four with the intention of tempting a disciplined side out of their defensive set up will get a reaction from certain supporters because it's been done in the past with the old Italian teams that would go and score then sit back. But relentless attacking at these teams in this league will cause them to crack, they aren't as well trained in defending as the Italians were. I myself would rather see my team attack a defending team rather than just go and "control the pace of the game" by passing from defence to midfield to defence to goalie to defence etc and so on.

[Andy Spireite]

Certainly on paper a fantastic signing at this level that should improve us.

My only concern is that I do worry whenever we offer lengthy deals on, what I imagine, are very decent wages. We've seen before marquee signings coming in on top dollar and either not fitting in, becoming out of favour or becoming long term injured (Rowe, O'Grady, etc.)

I appreciate the 3 year deal was likely the reason we could sign him, given the security it offers to someone who will be 32 in a few days time, but I hope we don't ultimately live to regret that decision.

[JonB]

Andy Spireite, on 22 June 2023 - 09:15 AM, said:

Certainly on paper a fantastic signing at this level that should improve us.

My only concern is that I do worry whenever we offer lengthy deals on, what I imagine, are very decent wages. We've seen before marquee signings coming in on top dollar and either not fitting in, becoming out of favour or becoming long term injured (Rowe, O'Grady, etc.)

I appreciate the 3 year deal was likely the reason we could sign him, given the security it offers to someone who will be 32 in a few days time, but I hope we don't ultimately live to regret that decision.

For what its worth yes we had those bad ones but its what we did to get Jack Lester and that worked ok so hopefully.....

[Mac's Back]

Andy Spireite, on 22 June 2023 - 09:15 AM, said:

Certainly on paper a fantastic signing at this level that should improve us.

My only concern is that I do worry whenever we offer lengthy deals on, what I imagine, are very decent wages. We've seen before marquee signings coming in on top dollar and either not fitting in, becoming out of favour or becoming long term injured (Rowe, O'Grady, etc.)

I appreciate the 3 year deal was likely the reason we could sign him, given the security it offers to someone who will be 32 in a few days time, but I hope we don't ultimately live to regret that decision.

Well we didn't with the Chief and Jack. I know there are many more where we have done though...

[Wooden Spoon]

Andy Spireite, on 22 June 2023 - 09:15 AM, said:

Certainly on paper a fantastic signing at this level that should improve us.

My only concern is that I do worry whenever we offer lengthy deals on, what I imagine, are very decent wages. We've seen before marquee signings coming in on top dollar and either not fitting in, becoming out of favour or becoming long term injured (Rowe, O'Grady, etc.)

I appreciate the 3 year deal was likely the reason we could sign him, given the security it offers to someone who will be 32 in a few days time, but I hope we don't ultimately live to regret that decision.

I’d trust Cookie to sign a player because he’s the right player rather than a dope like Saunders or Caldwell to sign a player just because they had played at a higher level - and Jack Lester signed a lengthy deal at a similar age when he came to us.

Let’s judge each case in merit

[Goku]

metallilad, on 22 June 2023 - 09:11 AM, said:

That's just arrogant, ignorant and belittleing of people who just hold a different opinion to you.
What you need to realise that most of these people your referring to will come from an era where football played further up the pitch was the norm. Look at the Man Utd sides that Fergie put together in his tenure, the Arsenal team that rivalled them, Blackburn under Dalglish, Newcastle under Keegan, O'Leary's Leeds team all pressing players as soon as the opposition touched the ball as to win it back as high up the pitch before playing the forwards in. None of the modern tippy tappy bo**ocks that goes on. So it's not the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but more of the fact that playing the ball around the back four with the intention of tempting a disciplined side out of their defensive set up will get a reaction from certain supporters because it's been done in the past with the old Italian teams that would go and score then sit back. But relentless attacking at these teams in this league will cause them to crack, they aren't as well trained in defending as the Italians were. I myself would rather see my team attack a defending team rather than just go and "control the pace of the game" by passing from defence to midfield to defence to goalie to defence etc and so on.

The fact that you describe it as 'tippy tappy bo**ocks' might suggest you don't know what you're talking about. You can also press and play out from the back, your post seems to suggest that you think that isn't possible?

This post has been edited by Goku: 22 June 2023 - 09:25 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

I’d like to see a bit of movement out though, free up some money for cookie to use

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Goku, on 22 June 2023 - 09:23 AM, said:

The fact that you describe it as 'tippy tappy bo**ocks' might suggest you don't know what you're talking about. You can also press and play out from the back, your post seems to suggest that you think that isn't possible?

Man City prove y'win nowt playing "tippy-tappy" stuff.

Oh, wait...

[LondonBlue]

Goku, on 22 June 2023 - 09:23 AM, said:

The fact that you describe it as 'tippy tappy bo**ocks' might suggest you don't know what you're talking about. You can also press and play out from the back, your post seems to suggest that you think that isn't possible?

If certain posters on this board were manager we’d have Denton up top still.

[metallilad]

Goku, on 22 June 2023 - 09:23 AM, said:

The fact that you describe it as 'tippy tappy bo**ocks' might suggest you don't know what you're talking about. You can also press and play out from the back, your post seems to suggest that you think that isn't possible?

I don't profess to know alot about football but I wouldn't accuse anybody of not knowing about it just because their opinion differs to mine.
I know that playing out from the back can be attacking but only at the right times.
I like to see football played by attacking. When were one nil down and the opposition are camping out in their own half, I want to see my team playing the ball forward, pressuring their defence into making a mistake.
Playing the ball around in our defence whilst the opposition are winning whilst they just sit back watching them pass between themselves isn't doing anything to win the game because we've all seen it often enough that teams in our league will quite happily sit back for however long it takes to get that nil.
Tippy tappy bo**ocks is when we need to be pushing forward and aren't. I accept that we didn't see much of it last season and I hope to god that we won't see any of it this season either.

This post has been edited by metallilad: 22 June 2023 - 10:07 AM

[Valley Blues]

Man City don’t play tippy tappy stuff. Far from it.

They move the ball from side to side with a real purpose but that is all based upon great movement ahead of the ball.

This is where we fell down last season. We were so easy to defend against because the movement up top was non existent. Sides sat in shape and allowed us to pass around in front of them. This is why I think Dallas will be key for Cook. His forward movement will give real options and real headaches for the opposition back line.

And back to the initial point of folk wanting it forward quickly, there’s always a time this is required. Again, watch Man City. Ederson is sensational at pinging the ball to players in the opposition half of the option is on.

But we’re quite clearly not Man City and anyone wanting us to emulate their style of play with our two centre halves can get ready for losing plenty of fingernails and plenty of catastrophic goals.

[Rogerwillis]

Valley Blues, on 22 June 2023 - 09:10 AM, said:

I assume by this post you have some sort of superiority complex on the tactical side of the professional game.

After all, the majority of pro and semi-pro sides from, say, L1 downwards are certainly not averse to getting it forward quickly so maybe non of them know what they’re doing?

And arguably the best footballing side on the planet that make Cook’s style look like the Crazy Gang are quite happy to utilise their goalkeeper, who has a passing range as good as any midfielder in the world, to knock the ball 60 yards long to feet.

There is always a time to #gerritforrad and those that don’t recognise it maybe need to repeat their coaching classes.

No superiority complex at all and agreed there is value in mixing it up BUT you some of things said shows a lot don’t know or have played the game

LondonBlue, on 22 June 2023 - 09:49 AM, said:

If certain posters on this board were manager we’d have Denton up top still.

This is bang on