[Doughnut]

gordon_brittas, on 09 April 2023 - 12:35 PM, said:

It’s probably likely in all honest that we won’t be go up this campaign. Hopefully the top 2 clinch both promotion spots, and Rochdale and Harrogate come down.

Give Cook the summer to strengthen and reassess at Christmas, if we’re not in touching distance of the top spot, or at the top, I think questions need to be asked.

Apart from Woking and Oldham (if they get there act together), we should be realistically looking to win the league outright.

Hang on a minute - less than 48 hours ago you posted this...

'Cook can go for me when we lose to Woking away in the eliminator. Another waste of a season which we’ve ultimately been found wanting.'

So, maybe your stance has softened a little, now? Maybe you would be prepared to allow Cookie a little longer... but on the same day you also posted this...

'Cook is tactically naive and will not win promotion from this league.'

So, even though we won't get promoted with him in charge you'd be prepared to allow him to fund changes to the squad, thereby denying the finance his replacement would need?!?

C- Must try harder, Gordon. Try to remember what you've previously posted when trolling.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 09 April 2023 - 01:36 PM, said:

If we played total route one kick and rush, it would still be a good day out for opposition fans and they would still sit back and try to hit us on the break. It’s nothing to do with our style of play it’s more to do with other clubs seeing us as a bib club and seeing us as a bit of a scalp.
How would scraping third behind two teams with much bigger budgets than ours just be acceptable? Finishing below that embarrassing? Give your head a ahake

A) I never sugested 'route one kick and rush'.

B) There are more than two styles of football.

C) Are you seriously suggesting the only reason we're failing to turn over teams who have nowhere near the finances, squad, crowds or talent only because we're a 'scalp'!? (CALL SPECSAVERS)

D) Scraping third and scrapping for it with teams who have NOWHERE near our resources is the absolute minimum. Only a fool would say otherwise.

E) Head duly shaken. At your stupidity. Pull your head out of your arrse.

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 09 April 2023 - 04:28 PM

[DIFH]

born in 1866, on 09 April 2023 - 02:59 PM, said:

Rowe started to turn it round at huge financial cost that is now coming back to bite us. Cook is working within stricter means under the Kirks.

Hopefully.

[spireitetoo]

born in 1866, on 09 April 2023 - 02:59 PM, said:

Rowe started to turn it round at huge financial cost that is now coming back to bite us. Cook is working within stricter means under the Kirks.

Cook has spent 77k on agent fees, that doesn't sound like stricter constraints.. nor does 25 signings..

[Hoare (400)]

Look, as painful as it is at the moment, the season doesnt actually re start for us til the first play off game, then its just a mini league that anything can happen in.

Hopefully by then we have a fully fit squad, and with our support we can beat any of them, none of them will look forwards to playing us thats for sure !



Hoare (400)

[born in 1866]

spireitetoo, on 09 April 2023 - 04:42 PM, said:

Cook has spent 77k on agent fees, that doesn't sound like stricter constraints.. nor does 25 signings..

But I think we only paid any money for one, Colclough, not the 100's of thouusands that Rowe spaffed away.
PS I'm struggling to think of 25 players Cook has signed, can you list them please.

This post has been edited by born in 1866: 09 April 2023 - 05:23 PM

[Search & Destroy]

born in 1866, on 09 April 2023 - 05:21 PM, said:

But I think we only paid any money for one, Colclough, not the 100's of thouusands that Rowe spaffed away.
PS I'm struggling to think of 25 players Cook has signed, can you list them please.

100s of thousands 😂😂😂

[60s 70s Spireite]

Hoare (400), on 09 April 2023 - 05:19 PM, said:

Look, as painful as it is at the moment, the season doesnt actually re start for us til the first play off game, then its just a mini league that anything can happen in.

Hopefully by then we have a fully fit squad, and with our support we can beat any of them, none of them will look forwards to playing us thats for sure !



Hoare (400)

It’s not a mini league, it’s a mini cup. And teams like home draws in the cup, remember 96-97? 5 out of 6 at home before a neutral venue.

[born in 1866]

Joe Quigley is dynamite, on 09 April 2023 - 05:33 PM, said:

100s of thousands 😂😂😂

100 grand on Quigley alone before we start delving into the other couple of dozen or so he signed.

[smiffy]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 09 April 2023 - 11:40 AM, said:

Paint it how you want. We should be 3rd. Easily. And yes, teams have worked us out. That doesn't mean they'll win. It just means they come here and it's a big day out for them, and they know that if they sit back and just try and hit us on the break they'll usually not be under too much pressure due to our slow build up and lack of cutting edge. Then post match the winning manager compliments our lovely possession game whilst laughing all the way back to the dressing room.

We have the crowds. The resources. The facilities. Just scraping 3rd wouldn't have been acceptable. Anything less is embarassing.

I agree with what you are saying. The worrying thing next season (if we don’t get promoted this season) ,is that if Cooky doesn’t change his style or hasn’t got a proper organised plan B . The opposing teams are going to be ready for us from the off. We may not even achieve a playoff place. Although I’m a Cooky fan , this would not be acceptable to me.

[dtp]

born in 1866, on 09 April 2023 - 05:21 PM, said:

But I think we only paid any money for one, Colclough, not the 100's of thouusands that Rowe spaffed away.
PS I'm struggling to think of 25 players Cook has signed, can you list them please.

I believe Cook has re-signed 3 - Grimes, Mandeville & King.

He's signed on loan 4 players - Covolan, Akinola, McCallum & Dallas

Then there were 4 signings not apparently wanted now - Gyasi, Whelan, Cooper & Cook

And I can only think of another 13 so I might be one short - Fitzsimons, Sheckleford, Horton, Clements, Palmer, Banks, Oldaker, Jones, Dobra, Uchegbulam, Colclough, his son Cook, the young keeper out on loan who's name fails me.

Any road up 24 signings which is more than 2 teams. I believe fees were paid for Whelan, Gyasi, Palmer, Uchegbulam and Colclough. The £77k in agents fees exceeded Rowe's £45k by 50%. He's brought in another son as a scout, Gary Roberts and another mate from Ipswich in excess of what Rowe had as backroom staff I believe.

Apart from their players out on loan like Rowe, Clarke, Gyasi & Whelan he has only one long term injury, Oleyeke, missing from the squad. So going into the run in and the play-offs he is blessed with his own signings and those that were here before he came. However, it seems, the balance of the side is dependant on just one player, Dobra, who is returning to fitness.

I very much doubt that any other team going into the play-offs will have such a large squad to choose from so it is to be hoped by that time Cook knows his best team and that the balance and tactics are right.

[Mr Mercury]

dtp, on 09 April 2023 - 07:40 PM, said:

I believe Cook has re-signed 3 - Grimes, Mandeville & King.

He's signed on loan 4 players - Covolan, Akinola, McCallum & Dallas

Then there were 4 signings not apparently wanted now - Gyasi, Whelan, Cooper & Cook

And I can only think of another 13 so I might be one short - Fitzsimons, Sheckleford, Horton, Clements, Palmer, Banks, Oldaker, Jones, Dobra, Uchegbulam, Colclough, his son Cook, the young keeper out on loan who's name fails me.

Any road up 24 signings which is more than 2 teams. I believe fees were paid for Whelan, Gyasi, Palmer, Uchegbulam and Colclough. The £77k in agents fees exceeded Rowe's £45k by 50%. He's brought in another son as a scout, Gary Roberts and another mate from Ipswich in excess of what Rowe had as backroom staff I believe.

Apart from their players out on loan like Rowe, Clarke, Gyasi & Whelan he has only one long term injury, Oleyeke, missing from the squad. So going into the run in and the play-offs he is blessed with his own signings and those that were here before he came. However, it seems, the balance of the side is dependant on just one player, Dobra, who is returning to fitness.

I very much doubt that any other team going into the play-offs will have such a large squad to choose from so it is to be hoped by that time Cook knows his best team and that the balance and tactics are right.

Wasn’t Whelan resigned by Webb?

[boot]

born in 1866, on 09 April 2023 - 05:50 PM, said:

100 grand on Quigley alone before we start delving into the other couple of dozen or so he signed.

Darren Sarll, his manager at Yeovil, stated in an interview something along the lines of " Chesterfield paid a 6 figure sum for Quigley - that is what a goal-scorer costs." Unfortunately, I don't think he arrived with a written guarantee, but as I did see this interview it would suggest that we did pay a small fortune for a player at this level.
In a similar interview ,the Boreham Wood Chairman said that we paid unbelievable money for a non-league player in the signing of Tshimanga. He didn't say how much.
I can't comment on any other signings that Rowe made, but it is likely, based on these two examples from entirely believable sources, that we shelled out for other players as well.

[Carlisle_Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 09 April 2023 - 01:01 PM, said:

It's all a con.

He's sticking with the same system has its doing its job, getting us into play offs. Then come the play offs when all opposition think they know how to set up against us plan 'A' will come into play and the opposition won't have time to figure out how to set up against our alternative style. Happy days

Yours
Forever the optimist

The optimist in me had thought this too.

[Mr Mercury]

boot, on 09 April 2023 - 08:07 PM, said:

Darren Sarll, his manager at Yeovil, stated in an interview something along the lines of " Chesterfield paid a 6 figure sum for Quigley - that is what a goal-scorer costs." Unfortunately, I don't think he arrived with a written guarantee, but as I did see this interview it would suggest that we did pay a small fortune for a player at this level.
In a similar interview ,the Boreham Wood Chairman said that we paid unbelievable money for a non-league player in the signing of Tshimanga. He didn't say how much.
I can't comment on any other signings that Rowe made, but it is likely, based on these two examples from entirely believable sources, that we shelled out for other players as well.

Which, maybe KT aside, shows their total ineptitude for running a football club at this level.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 09 April 2023 - 08:23 PM, said:

Which, maybe KT aside, shows their total ineptitude for running a football club at this level.

I wonder how much we got for KT v what we paid for him?

[boot]

Mr Mercury, on 09 April 2023 - 08:23 PM, said:

Which, maybe KT aside, shows their total ineptitude for running a football club at this level.

I believe John Duncan once said, even all those years ago, that at the level we were at then, there wasn't much difference between a free transfer and a £100.000 player. I guess we can all cite several examples over the years of the truth in that.

This post has been edited by boot: 09 April 2023 - 08:41 PM

[dtp]

boot, on 09 April 2023 - 08:07 PM, said:

Darren Sarll, his manager at Yeovil, stated in an interview something along the lines of " Chesterfield paid a 6 figure sum for Quigley - that is what a goal-scorer costs." Unfortunately, I don't think he arrived with a written guarantee, but as I did see this interview it would suggest that we did pay a small fortune for a player at this level.
In a similar interview ,the Boreham Wood Chairman said that we paid unbelievable money for a non-league player in the signing of Tshimanga. He didn't say how much.
I can't comment on any other signings that Rowe made, but it is likely, based on these two examples from entirely believable sources, that we shelled out for other players as well.

Rowe is history, but of the 2 players mentioned one has now left us for a fee in excess of £250k and the other has been Cook's first choice for the one up front role all season. It doesn't matter what other managers or chairmen say about fees they are only trying to appease their fans. Bare in mind that Sarll also described Quigley as a goalscorer so could he be wrong on both counts?

Cook had virtually half a season last year to assess that player, he obviously liked what he saw because he didn't bring in an alternative among his many signings, He had 2 alternatives at the start of this season, one of which he transfer listed and then tried to turn into a No10, and the other he ignored even though he is still our joint leading scorer of league goals despite playing less minutes than Dallas (that's a guess by the way). It took close to the transfer deadline before he brought in any other challengers for that position and, guess what, one of them he's tried to turn into a No10, and the other is alternated with his first choice who is rarely out of the picture.

Mr Mercury, on 09 April 2023 - 07:54 PM, said:

Wasn’t Whelan resigned by Webb?

Only after Cook had taken up the reigns.

[Mr Mercury]

60s 70s Spireite, on 09 April 2023 - 08:37 PM, said:

I wonder how much we got for KT v what we paid for him?

I’d wager minor profit at best.

[Mr Mercury]

boot, on 09 April 2023 - 08:38 PM, said:

I believe John Duncan once said, even all those years ago, that at the level we were at then, there wasn't much difference between a free transfer and a £100.000 player. I guess we can all cite several examples over the years of the truth in that.

He did exactly say that, and I think I’ve quoted that before as well. Along the lines of..a player worth £100k under contract is still the same player available for free when the contracts run out!