[baldyblu]

So,new recommendations saying you should only head a ball from a high projection up to 10 times a week.so that's mad Gav done then!

[Johnnyspireite7]

baldyblu, on 28 July 2021 - 10:40 PM, said:

So,new recommendations saying you should only head a ball from a high projection up to 10 times a week.so that's mad Gav done then!

In training......

[Duckys Moved]

Taking into account we have just lost one of our own to an illness linked to heading and I get the need to mitigate the risk in every job, its part and parcel of football. Not only will it be almost impossible to police its not practical. Why not just introduce a "head height" rule and have done with it.

[Siberian Spireite]

Duckys Moved, on 29 July 2021 - 11:37 AM, said:

Taking into account we have just lost one of our own to an illness linked to heading and I get the need to mitigate the risk in every job, its part and parcel of football. Not only will it be almost impossible to police its not practical. Why not just introduce a "head height" rule and have done with it.

That would put many centre-halves out of business straight away.
I suppose it might encourage youth scouts to concentrate on skill rather than size, so might not be such a bad thing.

[JonB]

The limitation brought in is just reducing the amount of high impact heading in training not matches. Thats surely down to the clubs and player to monitor themselves for their own safety so seems sensible. We are seeing the impact it can have so why not try to be careful about it. Its not just football but other sports have become far more aware of the impact of head injuries to players in recent years.

[monte]

JonB, on 29 July 2021 - 11:46 AM, said:

The limitation brought in is just reducing the amount of high impact heading in training not matches. Thats surely down to the clubs and player to monitor themselves for their own safety so seems sensible. We are seeing the impact it can have so why not try to be careful about it. Its not just football but other sports have become far more aware of the impact of head injuries to players in recent years.

I get why they want to do it but with 10 headers that's really going to limit practicing corners / free kicks. Unless they duck under it and say "well I would have headed it and it would have been on target"

[Toddhopper.]

I'm curious to know whether the balls Ernie was heading were any or much heavier/harder than the balls being used now. Anyone know the actual details?

[60s 70s Spireite]

Toddhopper., on 29 July 2021 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm curious to know whether the balls Ernie was heading were any or much heavier/harder than the balls being used now. Anyone know the actual details?

The weight of the ball has been the same since 1937, 13-15 ozs in old money.
However the old balls absorbed water very easily, there was no repellant of any note. So the wetter they became the heavier they became. Eventually like a pudding.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 29 July 2021 - 05:18 PM, said:

The weight of the ball has been the same since 1937, 13-15 ozs in old money.
However the old balls absorbed water very easily, there was no repellant of any note. So the wetter they became the heavier they became. Eventually like a pudding.

Saw something that yes whilst they got heavier when wet this actually meant you couldn’t kick them as hard so there were travelling slower when headed as well. Someone had done the physics on it, I didn’t understand it but it was negated to an extent.

[sophocles]

JonB, on 29 July 2021 - 06:25 PM, said:

Saw something that yes whilst they got heavier when wet this actually meant you couldn’t kick them as hard so there were travelling slower when headed as well. Someone had done the physics on it, I didn’t understand it but it was negated to an extent.

I can tell you from experience that a wet case-ball was like a cannonball hitting your head, AND the lace always seemed to arrive bang on your forehead, leaving a neat print indented in your skin. I appreciate what you're saying about not being able to kick the balls so hard - I had some embarrassing experiences of being sent to take a corner kick and not getting the ball as far as the penalty area! I think the biggest impact came from balls kicked from the keeper's hands high into the air, if you had to get under one of those to head it away it felt as if it was enough to drive you into the ground like a tent peg.

[Toddhopper.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 29 July 2021 - 05:18 PM, said:

The weight of the ball has been the same since 1937, 13-15 ozs in old money.
However the old balls absorbed water very easily, there was no repellant of any note. So the wetter they became the heavier they became. Eventually like a pudding.

Thanks

[ronpowellsbutler]

sophocles, on 29 July 2021 - 07:08 PM, said:

I can tell you from experience that a wet case-ball was like a cannonball hitting your head, AND the lace always seemed to arrive bang on your forehead, leaving a neat print indented in your skin. I appreciate what you're saying about not being able to kick the balls so hard - I had some embarrassing experiences of being sent to take a corner kick and not getting the ball as far as the penalty area! I think the biggest impact came from balls kicked from the keeper's hands high into the air, if you had to get under one of those to head it away it felt as if it was enough to drive you into the ground like a tent peg.

How about soemone hoofing it onto the inner bit of your thigh. Still gives me the shudders.

[sophocles]

ronpowellsbutler, on 30 July 2021 - 01:23 PM, said:

How about soemone hoofing it onto the inner bit of your thigh. Still gives me the shudders.

Thanks for that - you've just brought that excruciating stinging feeling back after all these years!

[whittman]

Toddhopper., on 29 July 2021 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm curious to know whether the balls Ernie was heading were any or much heavier/harder than the balls being used now. Anyone know the actual details?

Just as Ernie was starting his career the new balls were begining to have a coating on them to repel the water but as they were used over time that coating wore off so the balls Ernie was heading in training were like medicine balls and got heavier and heavier in the wet weather

I know because rather than trying to head them I was trying to stop them with my hands

[Sammy Spireite]

The Scottish FA have banned heading for all professional players, the day before and the day after games.

They've also issued guidelines to restrict repetitive heading practise to once a week.

[jack bauer]

Sammy Spireite, on 28 November 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

The Scottish FA have banned heading for all professional players, the day before and the day after games.

They've also issued guidelines to restrict repetitive heading practise to once a week.

is the day coming when heading will be removed from the game? feels like we are slowly moving towards that possibility.

[lindave]

I understand all the worry about heading its a genuine concern. Personally I love to see a headed goal, when I wasn't in goal, I used to love heading the ball for a goal.

[dim view]

lindave, on 29 November 2022 - 08:27 AM, said:

I understand all the worry about heading its a genuine concern. Personally I love to see a headed goal, when I wasn't in goal, I used to love heading the ball for a goal.

Time to regurgitate my old offering - that state of the art minimalist head guards could be designed and tested - then give the production contract to Baroness Michelle Mone who has all the necessary contacts.

[dart in the crossbar]

Does Quigley have Scottish heritage by any chance? This could be the ideal opening if so.





oh come on, I'm only kidding.