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Jack Clarke & George Cooper

#1 User is offline   Rogerwillis 

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Posted 27 November 2022 - 09:14 PM

Not mentioned, not injured and picks 4 defenders and keeper out of a bench of 9 with them not on it.

Is Clarke destined to be farmed out on loan?

Cooper is one of our highest earners and barely features.

Find their omission really odd?

Results are amazing btw and not questioning cook but just wondered if anyone had any thoughts ? Maybe Kevs dog?
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 09:18 PM

Webb said on 1866 summet about Cooper having a bit if a thigh injury I think it was.
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 09:24 PM

View PostRogerwillis, on 27 November 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:



Cooper is one of our highest earners.

How sure are you that’s true?
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 09:41 PM

It can't be easy as a young and fairly lightweight player in a forward position knowing that you'll get kicked from throughout the game. And playing and getting kicked constantly. Something that must be made much harder when you've already had a painful and serious injury when playing the game. I feel very sorry for Clarke.
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 09:54 PM

View Postdart in the crossbar, on 27 November 2022 - 09:41 PM, said:

It can't be easy as a young and fairly lightweight player in a forward position knowing that you'll get kicked from throughout the game. And playing and getting kicked constantly. Something that must be made much harder when you've already had a painful and serious injury when playing the game. I feel very sorry for Clarke.

He's my favourite player but with Cook you get no hidden agendas and a very wise head, so if I don't see Clarke in a CFC shirt again I'm content that it's for the right reasons. I'd be gutted though.
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 10:24 PM

View PostQuaker, on 27 November 2022 - 09:24 PM, said:

How sure are you that’s true?

He certainly will be, should be one of our best players. There’s still time..
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 10:35 PM

View PostFit as a Nelson, on 27 November 2022 - 10:24 PM, said:

He certainly will be, should be one of our best players. There’s still time..

I think we have taken a chance on him and got him cheap as he been plagued by injury for 2 years
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 10:56 PM

View Postazul, on 27 November 2022 - 10:35 PM, said:

I think we have taken a chance on him and got him cheap as he been plagued by injury for 2 years

Cheap for a player of his ability yes, cheap for the level probably not. We really need to get him on the pitch!
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Posted 27 November 2022 - 11:11 PM

View PostFit as a Nelson, on 27 November 2022 - 10:56 PM, said:

Cheap for a player of his ability yes, cheap for the level probably not. We really need to get him on the pitch!

Why would you want to change the current side? What are they doing wrong?
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 07:40 AM

View PostQuaker, on 27 November 2022 - 11:11 PM, said:

Why would you want to change the current side? What are they doing wrong?

Not everything has to be so literal. Can’t remember saying I’d drop Dobra and just throw an unfit and struggling for form Cooper straight in on the left. I really hope we see something like the best of him before the season is over or it will be a massive shame.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 09:37 AM

View PostFit as a Nelson, on 28 November 2022 - 07:40 AM, said:

Not everything has to be so literal. Can’t remember saying I’d drop Dobra and just throw an unfit and struggling for form Cooper straight in on the left. I really hope we see something like the best of him before the season is over or it will be a massive shame.


The biggest shame will be for George himself as this could be looked upon as a make or break season for him. If he continues to struggle with fitness issues for a third season then it's quite possible he will have to seriously consider his future.

As for Jack Clarke, I only see him as cover for Liam Mandeville in the current set up. I don't see him as a contender for a central role and Uchegbulam seems to be ahead of him for Dobra's role. Also, I think Horton could do a job on the left in front of Clements if need be. So, Jack has to find a level of fitness and consistency he has not yet shown to get closer to the natch day 16.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 09:47 AM

I think I've written Cooper off. The bloke can't seem to move and he hasn't struck a ball well yet. Cutting inside and attempting a weak cross-cum-shot from the right every time isn't helpful.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 09:55 AM

I reckon Cooper was signed knowing that he'd had a bad injury and may not be a regular early this season with a view to him being 100% fit in the new year
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 09:59 AM

View PostGoku, on 28 November 2022 - 09:47 AM, said:

I think I've written Cooper off. The bloke can't seem to move and he hasn't struck a ball well yet. Cutting inside and attempting a weak cross-cum-shot from the right every time isn't helpful.

When I saw him play can't say I was impressed. As for Clarke it seems injuries are an issue for him, another player who can only play a few games before being injured again. Feel sorry for the lad because there is a good player there.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 10:06 AM

View PostFit as a Nelson, on 28 November 2022 - 07:40 AM, said:

Not everything has to be so literal. Can’t remember saying I’d drop Dobra and just throw an unfit and struggling for form Cooper straight in on the left. I really hope we see something like the best of him before the season is over or it will be a massive shame.


Hardly loss of form, he's not had a run in the side. He started once at home I think and did pretty well was taken off after 70 minutes and has hardly been seen since.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 10:43 AM

View PostQuaker, on 27 November 2022 - 11:11 PM, said:

Why would you want to change the current side? What are they doing wrong?


The way Whelan has been playing Clarke has to wait for his chance. He is too lightweight for me but has plenty of class.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 11:04 AM

View PostDuckys Moved, on 28 November 2022 - 10:06 AM, said:

Hardly loss of form, he's not had a run in the side. He started once at home I think and did pretty well was taken off after 70 minutes and has hardly been seen since.


My impression (rightly or wrongly) of him was tainted at a recent home game when after the third sub was introduced (not him..) he walked off down the tunnel.

Similar when he did play and got subbed he looked annoyed/p’d off and sulky.
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 12:56 PM

View Posts42blue, on 28 November 2022 - 11:04 AM, said:

My impression (rightly or wrongly) of him was tainted at a recent home game when after the third sub was introduced (not him..) he walked off down the tunnel.

Similar when he did play and got subbed he looked annoyed/p’d off and sulky.

Well, to counter the above he was on the pitch after the game Saturday, applauding the fans and his body language didn't reflect any of the implications above.

With the shenanigans that happen in this league, it's to be expected that we will succumb to preplanned/unfortunate injuries and that is when the depth of our squad will come to the fore.

Keeping a squad of such depth happy and ready will take exceptional man management skills, fortunately we have that man.

Have wrexham and Notts got these luxuries?
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 12:59 PM

View Postclarevoyant., on 28 November 2022 - 12:56 PM, said:

Well, to counter the above he was on the pitch after the game Saturday, applauding the fans and his body language didn't reflect any of the implications above.

With the shenanigans that happen in this league, it's to be expected that we will succumb to preplanned/unfortunate injuries and that is when the depth of our squad will come to the fore.

Keeping a squad of such depth happy and ready will take exceptional man management skills, fortunately we have that man.

Have wrexham and Notts got these luxuries?

According to the DT he was the only one of the fit players who travelled Saturday who didn't make the matchday squad (cooper didn't travel) so fair play to him for joining in the celebrations etc

And reference the comment about him looking annoyed when not brought on recently, good, that's exactly how he should be feeling!
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Posted 28 November 2022 - 01:16 PM

There's a game in a couple of weeks when all those currently sidelined - and quite rightly so as we're winning - should get a chance to impress...
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