[Stents]

Does anybody think he is going to be convicted of this?

With his Dad being a big-time lawyer, and sexual assault cases being notoriously difficult to gain a conviction.

I have a horrible feeling he's going to get away with it...

[Westbars Spireite]

moondog, on 08 November 2022 - 07:51 AM, said:

That was deleted too, Misnomer will remain on Mod preview until the conclusion of the trial

It’s still there. The question itself isn’t an issue but any answers might be.

[JonB]

CPS must think there is a good chance of a conviction to take it this far.

[DIFH]

JonB, on 08 November 2022 - 10:07 AM, said:

CPS must think there is a good chance of a conviction to take it this far.

Maybe they feel they have to have the charges tested, in fairness JR has been found guilty by many and the complainant has to have their allegation prosecuted.

[dart in the crossbar]

The Derby Telegraph online (Derbyshire Live) seems to have a slightly fuller report than that on the Derbyshire Times page. It appears to have quotes from the judge, for example.

[dart in the crossbar]

Stents, on 08 November 2022 - 09:28 AM, said:

Does anybody think he is going to be convicted of this?

With his Dad being a big-time lawyer, and sexual assault cases being notoriously difficult to gain a conviction.

I have a horrible feeling he's going to get away with it...

As far as I am aware, his father worked (possibly still works) in football and is not a lawyer. I may be wrong.

[Stents]

dart in the crossbar, on 08 November 2022 - 11:41 AM, said:

As far as I am aware, his father worked (possibly still works) in football and is not a lawyer. I may be wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong... Someone told me his dad was a high-profile lawyer, but I couldn't tell you who or when!

[isleaiw1]

Stents, on 08 November 2022 - 02:30 PM, said:

Maybe I'm wrong... Someone told me his dad was a high-profile lawyer, but I couldn't tell you who or when!

Def not his dad, if you believe Wikipedia.... but maybe it was his father in law (or partners dad if that is more appropriate)?

[Mr Mercury]

dart in the crossbar, on 08 November 2022 - 11:37 AM, said:

The Derby Telegraph online (Derbyshire Live) seems to have a slightly fuller report than that on the Derbyshire Times page. It appears to have quotes from the judge, for example.

Judge just saying the basics really, that if Rowe is found guilty then the sentencing powers of a magistrates court arnt sufficient for what the sentence could be so therefore it needs to go to Crown Court, also bail granted with no conditions due his previous good character and no complaints during his time already on bail.
The date at Derby isn’t a trial date but a plea and case management hearing. So probably still some way to go yet.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 08 November 2022 - 04:04 PM

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 08 November 2022 - 03:46 PM, said:

Judge just saying the basics really, that if Rowe is found guilty then the sentencing powers of a magistrates court arnt sufficient for what the sentence could be so therefore it needs to go to Crown Court, also bail granted with no conditions due his previous good character and no complaints during his time already on bail.
The date at Derby isn’t a trial date but a plea and case management hearing. So probably still some way to go yet.

One debatable comment in there Merc!

[Mr Mercury]

calvin plummers socks, on 08 November 2022 - 04:04 PM, said:

One debatable comment in there Merc!

Well best tell the judge then my friend.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 08 November 2022 - 04:09 PM

[isleaiw1]

calvin plummers socks, on 08 November 2022 - 04:04 PM, said:

One debatable comment in there Merc!

it was all one comment, "his previous good character and no complaints WHILST ON BAIL". There is no punctuation to distinguish the two items so both must be assumed to apply to the condition at the end.

[dart in the crossbar]

isleaiw1, on 08 November 2022 - 04:21 PM, said:

it was all one comment, "his previous good character and no complaints WHILST ON BAIL". There is no punctuation to distinguish the two items so both must be assumed to apply to the condition at the end.

Posted for information only. I'm not inviting comment regarding anything contained within this extract from the article.

from the Derbyshire Live piece. Timed and dated at '11:48, 7 NOV 2022 UPDATED 13:29, 7 NOV 2022'

' Adjourning proceedings, District Judge Andrew Davison said: "I have listened carefully to what has been said. All courts have to follow the appropriate guidelines and having looked at the guidelines if you were convicted the sentencing levels of this court would not be sufficient.

"You will be sent to the crown court and I will grant you bail. You will have to appear before the crown court in Derby in four weeks' time.

"That is not a trial date, that will be a plea and case management type of hearing. I am granting you unconditional bail, as you have been on bail for time and there is no complaint as to your conduct [since investigations began]. You have attended on time and you are a man of previous good character." '

[Bankrobber]

Stents, on 08 November 2022 - 02:30 PM, said:

Maybe I'm wrong... Someone told me his dad was a high-profile lawyer, but I couldn't tell you who or when!

I think there was a similar situation in the Ched case, perhaps you are getting the two mixed up

[60s 70s Spireite]

isleaiw1, on 08 November 2022 - 02:48 PM, said:

Def not his dad, if you believe Wikipedia.... but maybe it was his father in law (or partners dad if that is more appropriate)?

His dad is Colwyn Rowe, ex Colchester and Chelmsford player, then erstwhile coach, including a spell as manager of Botswana and then St Vincent and the Grenadines. Now 66. So yes, unlikely to be his Dad.

If it’s his partners Dad, that would have been an interesting conversation to be heard when the matter was first mentioned.

[Blue5]

60s 70s Spireite, on 08 November 2022 - 07:19 PM, said:

His dad is Colwyn Rowe, ex Colchester and Chelmsford player, then erstwhile coach, including a spell as manager of Botswana and then St Vincent and the Grenadines. Now 66. So yes, unlikely to be his Dad.

If it’s his partners Dad, that would have been an interesting conversation to be heard when the matter was first mentioned.

No onward chain:

https://youtu.be/02Z0WYFl8Cs

[hilly81]

Blue5, on 08 November 2022 - 08:20 PM, said:

No onward chain:

https://youtu.be/02Z0WYFl8Cs

Nice family gaff.

[Mr Mercury]

hilly81, on 08 November 2022 - 08:30 PM, said:

Nice family gaff.

Whoever has put that drum up for sale must have been on a tidy sum when purchased, a right tidy sum!

[isleaiw1]

Mr Mercury, on 08 November 2022 - 08:38 PM, said:

Whoever has put that drum up for sale must have been on a tidy sum when purchased, a right tidy sum!

Up for sale at £1.1m now....