[DIFH]

Goku, on 26 May 2022 - 11:17 AM, said:

Granted, but half this board is more mobile than Tom. I'm sure Quigley could run about for a bit, but we ideally want a bit of nowse up top as well - Quigley has zero of that. Watching him constantly stray offside and be played by cleverer defenders is painful. In fact, I'll go as far to say that if we start with Quigley or Denton up top on Sunday we lose the match.

We also need someone who heads the ball, Dent’s of these 2 baring a surprise.

[firedodger]

Goku, on 26 May 2022 - 10:37 AM, said:

Asante needs to play if we're to play like we did on Tuesday. We need to be able to put pressure on their defence/midfield when they have the ball, Denton and Quigley can't do that. If Asante doesn't play then our entire game plan has to change and we probably revert to looking like we have done prior to the Halifax game.

The issue isn’t so much the pressing, for all his quality Danny Rowe doesn’t exactly charge around pressing defenders so no real change in that department with either of the big lads.
The problem is how we would play with either of them in, the defence would just lump it and we’d lose the momentum from Tuesday.
Asante would be first choice I think, if Tyson has an hour in him then why not? He puts the leg work in to pressure defenders, still has a burst of pace and is comfortable with the ball on the ground.

[Waller is my hero]

Goku, on 26 May 2022 - 10:46 AM, said:

Yep I think that would be our best bet, with Tyson coming on 65+ mins.

Tyson was immense when he came on....chased down defenders, chasing balls...keeping hold of it....type of player when defence getting leggy & getting free kicks to break up play

[bucko]

Cookie now has a few decisions to make with the Danny Rowe news.

For me we can't go back to Denton or Quigley, simply due to the lack of mobility. Opposition defence know that we won't outrun or chase them down with either of these 2.

Does Payne come into his thoughts??
He can hold up the ball and one thing he did in the early part of the season was put in a shift, which we need to do Sunday.
Closing down and giving the defenders something to worry about.

How fit is Asante? Has he got 45-60 mins in the tank, then bring Tyson on?

Do we play Mandeville up there, played up front in his career,can take care of the ball, but lacks the physical aspect and bring Rowley in on the right of the 3?

Start with Tyson?, although I think he's best suited to come on last 30 mins and give the tiring defenders a problem.

Rest of the team picks itself after Tuesday if everyone is fit.

This post has been edited by bucko: 26 May 2022 - 12:07 PM

[azul]

bucko, on 26 May 2022 - 12:05 PM, said:

Cookie now has a few decisions to make with the Danny Rowe news.

For me we can't go back to Denton or Quigley, simply due to the lack of mobility. Opposition defence know that we won't outrun or chase them down with either of these 2.

Does Payne come into his thoughts??
He can hold up the ball and one thing he did in the early part of the season was put in a shift, which we need to do Sunday.
Closing down and giving the defenders something to worry about.

How fit is Asante? Has he got 45-60 mins in the tank, then bring Tyson on?

Do we play Mandeville up there, played up front in his career,can take care of the ball, but lacks the physical aspect and bring Rowley in on the right of the 3?

Start with Tyson?, although I think he's best suited to come on last 30 mins and give the tiring defenders a problem.

Rest of the team picks itself after Tuesday if everyone is fit.

He kind of hinted one or two might be back available in his pots match interview. It’ll probably be Weston

[Search & Destroy]

azul, on 26 May 2022 - 12:09 PM, said:

He kind of hinted one or two might be back available in his pots match interview. It’ll probably be Weston

Hope that’s not for Whelan

[LondonBlue]

azul, on 26 May 2022 - 12:09 PM, said:

He kind of hinted one or two might be back available in his pots match interview. It’ll probably be Weston

Possibly. Whilst Asante being back would be great he has looked off it for weeks and to me looks like he needs a pre season. Losing DR is a huge huge blow.

[prolurker]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 26 May 2022 - 12:17 PM, said:

Hope that’s not for Whelan

Wouldn't touch that midfield - Asante, Quigley or Payne in for Rowe. The rest worked well.

Was nice not having one of your midfielders sat on the centre halves toes for once. We're far too deep with Weston in the team and we lose that midfield battle.

This post has been edited by prolurker: 26 May 2022 - 12:26 PM

[LondonBlue]

prolurker, on 26 May 2022 - 12:22 PM, said:

Wouldn't touch that midfield - Asante, Quigley or Payne in for Rowe. The rest worked well.

Was nice not having one of your midfielders sat on the centre halves toes for once. We're far too deep with Weston in the team and we lose that midfield battle.

I thought Kellerman played the CDM role well actually. Broke up play and put himself about a bit but didn't play as a sweeper like Weston does. Weston should be nowhere near our starting 11 on Sunday.

[prolurker]

LondonBlue, on 26 May 2022 - 12:30 PM, said:

I thought Kellerman played the CDM role well actually. Broke up play and put himself about a bit but didn't play as a sweeper like Weston does. Weston should be nowhere near our starting 11 on Sunday.

Dicey first half and neshed a few tackles but definitely grew into that role very well

[bucko]

I like Weston, but wouldn't bring him back into the team on Sunday.
For the 1st time in ages we had a midfield on Tues that was full of energy and pressed for 90 mins.

[hilly81]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 26 May 2022 - 12:17 PM, said:

Hope that’s not for Whelan

Or anyone else.

[dtp]

bucko, on 26 May 2022 - 12:05 PM, said:

Cookie now has a few decisions to make with the Danny Rowe news.

For me we can't go back to Denton or Quigley, simply due to the lack of mobility. Opposition defence know that we won't outrun or chase them down with either of these 2.

Does Payne come into his thoughts??
He can hold up the ball and one thing he did in the early part of the season was put in a shift, which we need to do Sunday.
Closing down and giving the defenders something to worry about.

How fit is Asante? Has he got 45-60 mins in the tank, then bring Tyson on?

Do we play Mandeville up there, played up front in his career,can take care of the ball, but lacks the physical aspect and bring Rowley in on the right of the 3?

Start with Tyson?, although I think he's best suited to come on last 30 mins and give the tiring defenders a problem.

Rest of the team picks itself after Tuesday if everyone is fit.

Mandeville looks shattered to me. He lack's pace and is not taking care of the ball. For a lad who is supposed to have so much talent and be our most creative player I don't think he made a single creative pass in the entire game. He totally got his first goal scoring opportunity wrong and looked like he was running in treacle when clear of their defence for his second opportunity which he messed up. No way would he be able to take over the Danny Rowe role and I still cannot understand why he hasn't been given a rest with Rowley being given some game time.

Khan would probably be able to lead the attack more in a Tyson sort of way for a hour, or so, but my concern is that his energy in midfield would be a distinct loss.

Ideally, Asante is fit enough to play around 60 minutes as if we started with Tyson I'm not sure he would be good for more than 30 minutes. As such, he would be as big a risk as anybody else.

I suspect Quigley is at a similar level of fitness as Asante whilst both Denton and Payne might be able to play for longer. We can't afford to lose any more forwards for the final but first thoughts have to be about how we get there on a one match at a time basis.

[LondonBlue]

dtp, on 26 May 2022 - 01:44 PM, said:

Mandeville looks shattered to me. He lack's pace and is not taking care of the ball. For a lad who is supposed to have so much talent and be our most creative player I don't think he made a single creative pass in the entire game. He totally got his first goal scoring opportunity wrong and looked like he was running in treacle when clear of their defence for his second opportunity which he messed up. No way would he be able to take over the Danny Rowe role and I still cannot understand why he hasn't been given a rest with Rowley being given some game time.

Khan would probably be able to lead the attack more in a Tyson sort of way for a hour, or so, but my concern is that his energy in midfield would be a distinct loss.

Ideally, Asante is fit enough to play around 60 minutes as if we started with Tyson I'm not sure he would be good for more than 30 minutes. As such, he would be as big a risk as anybody else.

I suspect Quigley is at a similar level of fitness as Asante whilst both Denton and Payne might be able to play for longer. We can't afford to lose any more forwards for the final but first thoughts have to be about how we get there on a one match at a time basis.

Deffo can't start Tyson. We started him at Curzon Ashton and after 45 mins he was absolutely knackered.

[Westbars Spireite]

bucko, on 26 May 2022 - 12:05 PM, said:

Cookie now has a few decisions to make with the Danny Rowe news.

For me we can't go back to Denton or Quigley, simply due to the lack of mobility. Opposition defence know that we won't outrun or chase them down with either of these 2.

Does Payne come into his thoughts??
He can hold up the ball and one thing he did in the early part of the season was put in a shift, which we need to do Sunday.
Closing down and giving the defenders something to worry about.

How fit is Asante? Has he got 45-60 mins in the tank, then bring Tyson on?

Do we play Mandeville up there, played up front in his career,can take care of the ball, but lacks the physical aspect and bring Rowley in on the right of the 3?

Start with Tyson?, although I think he's best suited to come on last 30 mins and give the tiring defenders a problem.

Rest of the team picks itself after Tuesday if everyone is fit.

Asante if fit.
Tyson second choice.
Denton last choice.
Payne just ahead of me.

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 May 2022 - 02:21 PM, said:

Asante if fit.
Tyson second choice.
Denton last choice.
Payne just ahead of me.

Is Payne even eligible to play following his loan?

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 26 May 2022 - 02:26 PM, said:

Is Payne even eligible to play following his loan?

He would be. Whether he's even been training with them I don't know.

[Trigger]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 May 2022 - 02:28 PM, said:

He would be. Whether he's even been training with them I don't know.

Sure I saw him in the stands on tv Tuesday so would assume he's been training

[hewittfan]

dtp, on 26 May 2022 - 01:44 PM, said:

Mandeville looks shattered to me. He lack's pace and is not taking care of the ball. For a lad who is supposed to have so much talent and be our most creative player I don't think he made a single creative pass in the entire game. He totally got his first goal scoring opportunity wrong and looked like he was running in treacle when clear of their defence for his second opportunity which he messed up. No way would he be able to take over the Danny Rowe role and I still cannot understand why he hasn't been given a rest with Rowley being given some game time.

Khan would probably be able to lead the attack more in a Tyson sort of way for a hour, or so, but my concern is that his energy in midfield would be a distinct loss.

Ideally, Asante is fit enough to play around 60 minutes as if we started with Tyson I'm not sure he would be good for more than 30 minutes. As such, he would be as big a risk as anybody else.

I suspect Quigley is at a similar level of fitness as Asante whilst both Denton and Payne might be able to play for longer. We can't afford to lose any more forwards for the final but first thoughts have to be about how we get there on a one match at a time basis.

Yes Mandeville looks tired, he played in all bar one of our league games this season, with more minutes on the pitch than any other outfield player. Now's hardly the time to be resting anyone though.

[dtp]

hewittfan, on 26 May 2022 - 05:20 PM, said:

Yes Mandeville looks tired, he played in all bar one of our league games this season, with more minutes on the pitch than any other outfield player. Now's hardly the time to be resting anyone though.

Cook won't leave him out no matter what but the closest he came to acheiving anything on Tuesday night was getting sent off and possibly costing us the game. The converse of that was he wasted two excellent chances to make our win more comfortable than it was.

I disagree about now hardly being the time to rest anyone because nobody should expect the other nine outfield players to carry anybody. As much as possible everyone has to be 100% full of running in our next game.