[Waller is my hero]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 09 May 2022 - 11:40 AM, said:

It’s clear because there’s no charge, no arrest and no bail.

Sacked for the dweeb recording? Don’t be ridiculous.




Levi Bellfield is a serial killer, sex offender, rapist, kidnapper etc

So in your mind if it wasn't a serious situation...why suspend him & why should he mutually agree to resign. Any desperately innocent person would have stood their ground.

I've said before, do you really think a club would go down this approach if he was totally innocent & could be brushed under the carpet...at the time..top of the table!

[dim view]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 09 May 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

No, you said the dweeb recording was a sackable offence, I said that was ridiculous

groan.
without supplying details.......

Google

'Is abusive language gross misconduct?

Generally, employers will include the use of excessive bad language on the company, prospect's or client's premises as an example of gross misconduct.'

[Search & Destroy]

dim view, on 09 May 2022 - 12:06 PM, said:

groan.
without supplying details.......

Google

'Is abusive language gross misconduct?

Generally, employers will include the use of excessive bad language on the company, prospect's or client's premises as an example of gross misconduct.'

Groan

There wouldn’t be a single manager or footballer employed anywhere if Gould and abusive language was a sackable offence

[Search & Destroy]

Waller is my hero, on 09 May 2022 - 12:00 PM, said:

So in your mind if it wasn't a serious situation...why suspend him & why should he mutually agree to resign. Any desperately innocent person would have stood their ground.

I've said before, do you really think a club would go down this approach if he was totally innocent & could be brushed under the carpet...at the time..top of the table!

I don’t know, I certainly think it’s possible, what with it being a Trust and not under the normal ownership

I think the whole “community club” thing makes it more likely that they want to be seen to doing the “right” thing

I’m not saying he was totally innocent, summat has gone on

[hilly81]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 09 May 2022 - 01:15 PM, said:

I don’t know, I certainly think it’s possible, what with it being a Trust and not under the normal ownership

I think the whole “community club” thing makes it more likely that they want to be seen to doing the “right” thing

I’m not saying he was totally innocent, summat has gone on

You're mellowing.

[Search & Destroy]

hilly81, on 09 May 2022 - 01:21 PM, said:

You're mellowing.

I am pursuing a more Zen lifestyle, that’s why I keep off the Personal Board

[dtp]

Goku, on 09 May 2022 - 10:40 AM, said:

But if it turns out that no charges are levied, it could still be a justified sacking. For most people, anyway. I wonder what he would have had to do (or be accused of) for you to support the Trust's course of action.

With that, Goku, I fully agree. But, of course, we do know that he resigned with a very small pay-off to prevent further embarrassment. So, I really do struggle to understand why this cannot be accepted and we move on from there.

The real issue is to do with how we have moved on and as to whether or not Cook was the right choice. When his name was first mooted I did say I didn't agree with it if the appointment was only going to be short-term to the end of the season. I was more for it if it was to be for the longer term. Apart from Wild no other names appear to have come out regarding any others considered. But, the real issue now seems to be that the Trust and Cook are not revealing the nature of the deal and, as such, fans are becoming disgruntled especially in view of the shocking run of results. Then, of course, the man of the people seems to prefer to no longer acknowledge those people.

Everything else is conjecture. Would we have done better if Rowe had behaved himself and was still here? Would Cook have done better without the injuries we have suffered? We did suffer injuries under Rowe but would he have continued to get 2ppg with the continuing injury situation. Would Rowe have done better before and on transfer deadline day? We can go on, but one thing is for sure - we would not be still in with a chance of a play-off position had it not been for the points accumulation prior to Cook's appointment whether anybody wants to point to the number of draws or not. And, form over the last 16 games is akin to relegation form.

Then we have the blind belief that Cook will sign his own players and walk this league next season. Well, that's just optimism with not a jot of available evidence to support it. So, we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings if he is still here.

[DIFH]

dim view, on 09 May 2022 - 12:06 PM, said:

groan.
without supplying details.......

Google

'Is abusive language gross misconduct?

Generally, employers will include the use of excessive bad language on the company, prospect's or client's premises as an example of gross misconduct.'

Can be if you are saying it to a director.

[Westbars Spireite]

dtp, on 09 May 2022 - 01:55 PM, said:

With that, Goku, I fully agree. But, of course, we do know that he resigned with a very small pay-off to prevent further embarrassment. So, I really do struggle to understand why this cannot be accepted and we move on from there.

The real issue is to do with how we have moved on and as to whether or not Cook was the right choice. When his name was first mooted I did say I didn't agree with it if the appointment was only going to be short-term to the end of the season. I was more for it if it was to be for the longer term. Apart from Wild no other names appear to have come out regarding any others considered. But, the real issue now seems to be that the Trust and Cook are not revealing the nature of the deal and, as such, fans are becoming disgruntled especially in view of the shocking run of results. Then, of course, the man of the people seems to prefer to no longer acknowledge those people.

Everything else is conjecture. Would we have done better if Rowe had behaved himself and was still here? Would Cook have done better without the injuries we have suffered? We did suffer injuries under Rowe but would he have continued to get 2ppg with the continuing injury situation. Would Rowe have done better before and on transfer deadline day? We can go on, but one thing is for sure - we would not be still in with a chance of a play-off position had it not been for the points accumulation prior to Cook's appointment whether anybody wants to point to the number of draws or not. And, form over the last 16 games is akin to relegation form.

Then we have the blind belief that Cook will sign his own players and walk this league next season. Well, that's just optimism with not a jot of available evidence to support it. So, we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings if he is still here.

Apart from him winning the league with us in his first full season last time?

[Goku]

Westbars Spireite, on 09 May 2022 - 03:16 PM, said:

Apart from him winning the league with us in his first full season last time?

Or any of the other successful seasons he's had. Unless DTP is referring specifically to the National League. I'm not convinced that there's much difference. If he can do it at a higher level I don't see why he can't do it at this level.

[Lincs Spireite]

dtp, on 09 May 2022 - 01:55 PM, said:

With that, Goku, I fully agree. But, of course, we do know that he resigned with a very small pay-off to prevent further embarrassment. So, I really do struggle to understand why this cannot be accepted and we move on from there.

The real issue is to do with how we have moved on and as to whether or not Cook was the right choice. When his name was first mooted I did say I didn't agree with it if the appointment was only going to be short-term to the end of the season. I was more for it if it was to be for the longer term. Apart from Wild no other names appear to have come out regarding any others considered. But, the real issue now seems to be that the Trust and Cook are not revealing the nature of the deal and, as such, fans are becoming disgruntled especially in view of the shocking run of results. Then, of course, the man of the people seems to prefer to no longer acknowledge those people.

Everything else is conjecture. Would we have done better if Rowe had behaved himself and was still here? Would Cook have done better without the injuries we have suffered? We did suffer injuries under Rowe but would he have continued to get 2ppg with the continuing injury situation. Would Rowe have done better before and on transfer deadline day? We can go on, but one thing is for sure - we would not be still in with a chance of a play-off position had it not been for the points accumulation prior to Cook's appointment whether anybody wants to point to the number of draws or not. And, form over the last 16 games is akin to relegation form.

Then we have the blind belief that Cook will sign his own players and walk this league next season. Well, that's just optimism with not a jot of available evidence to support it. So, we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings if he is still here.

Whilst that is true it is also true that JR had started to change his style to hoofball in his last 4 or 5 games and the results suffered mainly because he signed Quigley. Also if he had the same level of injuries as the last 6 weeks his success rate would surely have plummeted like a stone.

[DIFH]

dtp, on 09 May 2022 - 01:55 PM, said:

With that, Goku, I fully agree. But, of course, we do know that he resigned with a very small pay-off to prevent further embarrassment. So, I really do struggle to understand why this cannot be accepted and we move on from there.

The real issue is to do with how we have moved on and as to whether or not Cook was the right choice. When his name was first mooted I did say I didn't agree with it if the appointment was only going to be short-term to the end of the season. I was more for it if it was to be for the longer term. Apart from Wild no other names appear to have come out regarding any others considered. But, the real issue now seems to be that the Trust and Cook are not revealing the nature of the deal and, as such, fans are becoming disgruntled especially in view of the shocking run of results. Then, of course, the man of the people seems to prefer to no longer acknowledge those people.

Everything else is conjecture. Would we have done better if Rowe had behaved himself and was still here? Would Cook have done better without the injuries we have suffered? We did suffer injuries under Rowe but would he have continued to get 2ppg with the continuing injury situation. Would Rowe have done better before and on transfer deadline day? We can go on, but one thing is for sure - we would not be still in with a chance of a play-off position had it not been for the points accumulation prior to Cook's appointment whether anybody wants to point to the number of draws or not. And, form over the last 16 games is akin to relegation form.

Then we have the blind belief that Cook will sign his own players and walk this league next season. Well, that's just optimism with not a jot of available evidence to support it. So, we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings if he is still here.

My only question would be where do the victims go, a civil court. Still doesn’t add up. Question for Mr Norcliffe to be asking the police

[DIFH]

dtp, on 09 May 2022 - 01:55 PM, said:

With that, Goku, I fully agree. But, of course, we do know that he resigned with a very small pay-off to prevent further embarrassment. So, I really do struggle to understand why this cannot be accepted and we move on from there.

The real issue is to do with how we have moved on and as to whether or not Cook was the right choice. When his name was first mooted I did say I didn't agree with it if the appointment was only going to be short-term to the end of the season. I was more for it if it was to be for the longer term. Apart from Wild no other names appear to have come out regarding any others considered. But, the real issue now seems to be that the Trust and Cook are not revealing the nature of the deal and, as such, fans are becoming disgruntled especially in view of the shocking run of results. Then, of course, the man of the people seems to prefer to no longer acknowledge those people.

Everything else is conjecture. Would we have done better if Rowe had behaved himself and was still here? Would Cook have done better without the injuries we have suffered? We did suffer injuries under Rowe but would he have continued to get 2ppg with the continuing injury situation. Would Rowe have done better before and on transfer deadline day? We can go on, but one thing is for sure - we would not be still in with a chance of a play-off position had it not been for the points accumulation prior to Cook's appointment whether anybody wants to point to the number of draws or not. And, form over the last 16 games is akin to relegation form.

Then we have the blind belief that Cook will sign his own players and walk this league next season. Well, that's just optimism with not a jot of available evidence to support it. So, we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings if he is still here.

The real issue is how is Cookie going to attend champions league final when we are in play off semi final same day

[dtp]

Bobby Darling, on 09 May 2022 - 12:32 AM, said:

Or Rowe frequently picked Miller before Whittle? Why on earth did he do that? Whittle can play wing back, Miller can’t. I asked Whittle at Curzon why Rowe didn't prefer him and he appeared as mystified as me but said that’s how it is with managers. Don’t say Rowe didn’t make bad decisions.

Wasn't Whittle ruled out at the start of the season because he had a groin strain? Then didn't we pick up an average of 2 points a game with Miller at LWB? Not sure, but didn't Whittle get back into the team after Miller's sending off and we continued to pick up an average of 2 points a game? Then hasn't Miller been nursing a groin strain since Cook's arrival?

So, maybe, just maybe, Rowe picked Miller over Whittle because Whittle was carrying an injury just like Cook picked Miller over Whittle against Stockport because Whittle was carrying an injury.

[dtp]

DerbySpireite57, on 09 May 2022 - 08:52 AM, said:

No need for the sarcasm.

Danny was in charge for games 24-27, not James. So let's focus on games 1-23.

It was all the draws in the first 23 that hurt us.

Those fans, who can see the bigger picture, knew that we'd had an easy run of fixtures up to that point.

Just 8 out if his 23 games were against Top 11 teams, meaning 12 of the remaining 21 were against them, with double headers against Stockport and Notts looming.

Many fans simply got ahead of themselves, just like Grimsby's did after the first 12 games.

I think we would still have finished somewhere between 3rd and 7th anyway.

In those 23 games how many times did we play the same team twice?

Just asking, like, because there's only 23 teams in this league and unless we played a fair number of games against the same opposition twice then your argument doesn't hold water. Otherwise, under Rowe, we played virtually every team in the league.

Then, coming back to this number of drawn games argument. Even with all those drawn games and, yes, all those late goals conceded we still averaged 2 points a game. So, turn it on it's head, just imagine if we had not lossed 8 games in the last 16 but drawn half a dozen of them instead where would we be now?

[dtp]

Westbars Spireite, on 09 May 2022 - 03:16 PM, said:

Apart from him winning the league with us in his first full season last time?

I know there is a saying that history repeats itself but there is absolutely no evidence to say that it will again.

I believe Sheriden won the league with us in his first full season first time round but I'm not sure that helps the argument.

[dtp]

Goku, on 09 May 2022 - 03:20 PM, said:

Or any of the other successful seasons he's had. Unless DTP is referring specifically to the National League. I'm not convinced that there's much difference. If he can do it at a higher level I don't see why he can't do it at this level.

Don't get me wrong, Goku, I believe he could do it again but what I am saying really is that we are clinging to the hope he can repeat his past successes without the right-hand man who only very recently has had further success. Not being able to see why he can't do it at this level is not a guarantee that he will do it though.

[spireitetoo]

Lincs Spireite, on 09 May 2022 - 03:26 PM, said:

Whilst that is true it is also true that JR had started to change his style to hoofball in his last 4 or 5 games and the results suffered mainly because he signed Quigley. Also if he had the same level of injuries as the last 6 weeks his success rate would surely have plummeted like a stone.

Last 4 or 5 games??
The aldershot game his last incharge he went long, but that was about it, and quigley never actually got to play for him, he was signed whilst he was suspended.

[Search & Destroy]

spireitetoo, on 09 May 2022 - 04:31 PM, said:

Last 4 or 5 games??
The aldershot game his last incharge he went long, but that was about it, and quigley never actually got to play for him, he was signed whilst he was suspended.

Nah Rowe was in charge for Quigleys debut v Aldershot

[Jud]

dtp, on 09 May 2022 - 04:08 PM, said:

I know there is a saying that history repeats itself but there is absolutely no evidence to say that it will again.

I believe Sheriden won the league with us in his first full season first time round but I'm not sure that helps the argument.

Aye, but by that logic there's no point in ever reading the CV of any potential manager, ever. Don't imagine I'm alone here but if it was a choice between a manager with championships and promotions under their belt and one who tells a nice after dinner speech...well, you can see where I'm going with this.