[SpireiteFitzy]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

Well of course the curve is down because it’s past the peak, it amounts to the same thing ffs

Precisely. My point is your saying what a good job has been done but it's taken until the danger is decreasing for them to have reached a decent testing target. When the virus was wreaking havoc and locking down the country there wasn't a test to be seen and god knows how many front line workers were exposed to this virus with no idea if they had it or not because there wasn't even tests for them, the people who needed them the most.

[fishini]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 01 May 2020 - 05:01 PM, said:

Well a lot were posted out, being pedantic, so not necessarily undertaken

How do we know the figures from the government are real

[SpireiteFitzy]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 01 May 2020 - 05:01 PM, said:

Well a lot were posted out, being pedantic, so not necessarily undertaken

Just over 40,000 posted out. The postal figures were not getting included in previous figures. Says it all really.

And only 73,000 actual people tested.

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[CFC91]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

122000 tests yesterday

Well done

Fair play. Didn’t think they’d get anywhere near last week

[Search & Destroy]

It’s like a Walton thread

“ yeah we won but in reality we were lucky, our goal was offside and they were all over us”

[Search & Destroy]

So they have included tests not returned, it’s still a great effort from a standing start

[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 05:23 PM, said:

It’s like a Walton thread

“ yeah we won but in reality we were lucky, our goal was offside and they were all over us”

Since when has 73000 actual tests been 122000 tests?

[Goku]

CFC91, on 01 May 2020 - 05:23 PM, said:

Fair play. Didn’t think they’d get anywhere near last week

They didn’t by sounds of it

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[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 May 2020 - 10:50 AM, said:

It's no surprise many NHS staff become Labour supporters or members. They're the ones who see what tory underfunding and undermining really means. Under Thatcher, Cameron, May and now Bozo.

In the starkest possible non PPE supplied terms.

Perhaps now's the right time to remind ourselves how that party opposed Labour's creating and saving of the NHS tooth and nail, too. Churchill's mob voted against it no less than twenty one times with him even describing it as 'the first step to turn Britain into a national socialist economy'.

And now a quick glance at the DT reveals the Derbyshire tories planning to close several care homes leaving vital health service capacity to pick up the pieces...

I'm not so sure "many" of the NHS staff are labour supporters. Two of the largest employers in the country are the NHS and local authorities, representing millions of workers. Both sectors ravaged by cuts, no or limited pay rises etc but although staff are disgruntled to say the least the Labour party got battered at the last election, so a lot of the many must have voted Tory?
I can't believe with the state the world is in at the moment that so many leading labour politicians are doing nothing but being critical and are only really coming out with rhetoric and no good ideas of their own. It's easy to be critical from the sidelines, when there are always going to be mistakes to pick at. It makes me feel sick to listen to them and i'm not saying that as any kind of Tory. Time lost responding to idiocy doesn't help the country or the crisis. To me it appears the country is as one and yet politically it's a point scoring exercise gearing up for the next election it would seem.
When i listen to people like the odious Jonathon Ashworth i could put my foot through the tele

[azul]

Putting aside the debate about whether the 100,000 target was met or fudged........

Can anyone explain to me why this 100,000 was an important target and not just some figure plucked out the air.

This 100,000 surely has to be tested again next week + 100,000 more to make any kind progress. Anyone care to calculate how many weeks It would take to reach 50% of the population at that rate? I have

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

Up to 122000 tests?

Remarkable

26,000 deaths

Unremarkable

[Search & Destroy]

calvin plummers socks, on 01 May 2020 - 05:39 PM, said:

26,000 deaths

Unremarkable

Absolutely, a terrible disease that if you are elderly with 1 or more serious health conditions could kill

Thankfully the NHS weren’t overwhelmed and everyone who needed a ventilator got one

The reason our death rates will be higher or lower than other countries will no doubt be scrutinised after this is over

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

Absolutely, a terrible disease that if you are elderly with 1 or more serious health conditions could kill

Thankfully the NHS weren’t overwhelmed and everyone who needed a ventilator got one

The reason our death rates will be higher or lower than other countries will no doubt be scrutinised after this is over

Primarily because of the ineptitude of the government

[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

Absolutely, a terrible disease that if you are elderly with 1 or more serious health conditions could kill

Thankfully the NHS weren’t overwhelmed and everyone who needed a ventilator got one

The reason our death rates will be higher or lower than other countries will no doubt be scrutinised after this is over

There are some terrible stats out there about survival rates once someone goes on a ventilator and the damage done if you actually survive the experience.

[Wooden Spoon]

Well there’s doubt over the figures, but even so, I really didn’t expect them to get anywhere close to it. Should have been done much much earlier - they had other nations to look to for models and methods to follow........but credit where it’s due.

[Search & Destroy]

azul, on 01 May 2020 - 05:51 PM, said:

There are some terrible stats out there about survival rates once someone goes on a ventilator and the damage done if you actually survive the experience.

Quite

Maybe our Health System is so good it keeps vulnerable people alive longer so this virus has more to go at

Maybe our doctors and nurses aren’t as good as the ones in counties that have done better

Maybe it’s down to the lockdown being a week or so late

Maybe it’s London operating as normal in the early stages

Maybe it’s PPE

Cheltenham and Liverpool v Madrid

Maybe places like London NYC Madrid would always be worse hit , density of population

Maybe the early infections in Germany were in the main young, fit people from Ski Trips

Maybe we are doing better in under 60s and worse in over 60s

[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

Absolutely, a terrible disease that if you are elderly with 1 or more serious health conditions could kill

Thankfully the NHS weren’t overwhelmed and everyone who needed a ventilator got one

The reason our death rates will be higher or lower than other countries will no doubt be scrutinised after this is over

The NHS wasn't overwhelmed because of the 1000s abandoned in care homes that needed the NHS but we're denied. By the way, some fit and healthy have died too. Every person has the right to see out their lives as normally as possible with every effort made to allow this to happen. I hope you don't lose one of your own. I wonder ìf you would show some feelings and compassion if you did.

[dim view]

DEATH, on 01 May 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well there’s doubt over the figures, but even so, I really didn’t expect them to get anywhere close to it. Should have been done much much earlier - they had other nations to look to for models and methods to follow........but credit where it’s due.

Daily death rate now falling at over 100 per day for the last 3 days and set at 674 on 30th. So this time next week there might be summat to celebrate. Unless of course I'm misinterpreting the numbers.