[The Earl of Chesterfield]

And a bloke whose entire presidency might be dismissed as 'sarcasm'...

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 26 April 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

Not one but TWO 'advisors' at a supposedly independent meeting, then.

Clearly Cummins needed back-up in case someone, somewhere didn't quite get the message.

But unqualified and unelected bureaucrats dictating policy?

Sooooo glad we left the EU 'cos we Brits don't tolerate that kinda thing.

Anyway, what's needed is an investigation and report exposing the whole shady business.

Y'now, just like the one lifting the lid on all that Russian interference in British politics...

This is gerrin daft.
Every PM since Pitt the Younger has had a top advisor, and the whole point of the job is to influence policy. The argument about whether 'influencing' has become 'dictating' has to centre around whether Cabinet collective responsibility has been compromised. So, is there any proof of owt shady?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 27 April 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

This is gerrin daft.
Every PM since Pitt the Younger has had a top advisor, and the whole point of the job is to influence policy. The argument about whether 'influencing' has become 'dictating' has to centre around whether Cabinet collective responsibility has been compromised. So, is there any proof of owt shady?

Well here's what a 'leading scientist' said about possibly 'tainted' and 'flawed' advice in the Mail (that's The Mail, by the way): https://www.dailymai...government.html

And we've already established none of these 'advisors' has ever attended SAGE before.

Why the hell would a Vote Leave 'data scientist' be there, too?

But hey, at least Cummins and his chum can be included should any scapegoats...oh, sorry, 'collective responsibility' be needed...

[mr. smith]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 27 April 2020 - 09:08 AM, said:

Well here's what a 'leading scientist' said about possibly 'tainted' and 'flawed' advice in the Mail (that's The Mail, by the way): https://www.dailymai...government.html

And we've already established none of these 'advisors' has ever attended SAGE before.

Why the hell would a Vote Leave 'data scientist' be there, too?

But hey, at least Cummins and his chum can be included should any scapegoats...oh, sorry, 'collective responsibility' be needed...

im sure cummins will escape blame, possibly why his chum is there

[fishini]

dim view, on 27 April 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

This is gerrin daft.
Every PM since Pitt the Younger has had a top advisor, and the whole point of the job is to influence policy. The argument about whether 'influencing' has become 'dictating' has to centre around whether Cabinet collective responsibility has been compromised. So, is there any proof of owt shady?

Apparently no adviser has sat on a SAGE committee before let alone a vile person like Cummings

[jack'smyboy]

fishini, on 24 April 2020 - 03:14 PM, said:

Do the loft ladder yourself. Easy peezy.

No thanks, want the job doing properly. That, and I'm sure a local business will be glad of the work.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

My morning run took me alongside roads trafficked in a pretty normal manner today. Folk going about their business in a pretty normal way, too. Okay, there were still socially distanced queues outside supermarkets and most shop were shut, but had I not known about Covid it could've been just a steady Monday morning.

Then I ran past the stadium. Where not a single person was in the testing station. No cars, no testers, no one being tested and no security overseeing it all. Nothing. So does this mean no one needs testing? No one's coming forward? No one's been invited, given the signs saying 'By Invite Only' (by the way, why the 'No Filming' signs when it's all open view anyway)?

Maybe it's just me but I'm sensing a relaxation. I see restrictions are being slowly lifted abroad whilst holiday firms are taking bookings again. There was a report from a rail union of it's members being advised to prepare for extra services, soon. My own company has been asking for a head count of available staff for mid-May.

Don't wanna appear crass here, yet though they'll not admit it I reckon the VE Day weekend is when the government will start - START - to lift the lockdown...

[JonB]

Just been out for a little wander on our road and the one next to us and it involves some of Chatsworth Rd as it heads out of town, that seemed busier than it has been last couple of weeks plus there were cars not parked on drives that we've seen last couple of weeks. Even saw someone down our street had visitors with them all stood having a chat in the back garden whilst cooing over a young baby!

Definitely seem to be some people who have decided to loosen things a little for some reason.

[azul]

Some great graphics of pre/current/post Lockdown traffic levels world wide.

https://www.theguard...vid-19-lockdown

[CFC91]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 27 April 2020 - 11:55 AM, said:

My morning run took me alongside roads trafficked in a pretty normal manner today. Folk going about their business in a pretty normal way, too. Okay, there were still socially distanced queues outside supermarkets and most shop were shut, but had I not known about Covid it could've been just a steady Monday morning.

Then I ran past the stadium. Where not a single person was in the testing station. No cars, no testers, no one being tested and no security overseeing it all. Nothing. So does this mean no one needs testing? No one's coming forward? No one's been invited, given the signs saying 'By Invite Only' (by the way, why the 'No Filming' signs when it's all open view anyway)?

Maybe it's just me but I'm sensing a relaxation. I see restrictions are being slowly lifted abroad whilst holiday firms are taking bookings again. There was a report from a rail union of it's members being advised to prepare for extra services, soon. My own company has been asking for a head count of available staff for mid-May.

Don't wanna appear crass here, yet though they'll not admit it I reckon the VE Day weekend is when the government will start - START - to lift the lockdown...

I thought the same when out running at lunch. Run the same route usually, couple more businesses open, more cars around, more people. Did start to wonder whether people were taking it upon themselves to start to relax. I hope not as that could be bad for us all.

I think post BH weekend things will ease, we will probably follow Italy and Spain and start with a low level relaxation (stage 4 to stage 3 I think I saw it referenced in New Zealand when reading about them this morning)

I think the big jumps are down to S2 & S1, which will likely take months. I really see a potential that we won't be back down the pub at in a football ground this side of Christmas.

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

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Simple answer to that, pal - he gets results.

Instrumental in the 'leave' campaign and putting Bozo where he is.

Not sure who's the puppet and who's pulling the strings, here (even top tories have spoken against him - then there was Sajid Javid's exit) but it speaks to the current state of politics that those who shouted loudest against unelected EU officials will tolerate this 'advisor'.

But anyway, let's not allow this to distract us (perhaps intentionally) from the real issues: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

Honestly, I really hadn’t heard of him until very recently. He’s perhaps a good judge of tapping into “the mood” and directing policies for what popular at the time. I dunno.



The PPE thing, as well as testing is really getting beyond a joke now.



I also saw this .....very disconcerting



https://www.bbc.co.u...health-52439005

[Westbars Spireite]

I sat working by my front window overlooking Loundsley Green Road for a good portion of today and there's no doubt the road was a good deal busier than at any point since the 'lockdown'.

[Search & Destroy]

With all these local reports of the lockdown being ignored it makes you wonder if the public are happy to go with the Cummings train of thought

[fishini]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 April 2020 - 05:16 PM, said:

I sat working by my front window overlooking Loundsley Green Road for a good portion of today and there's no doubt the road was a good deal busier than at any point since the 'lockdown'.

As businesses begin to open up traffic will increase.

[Search & Destroy]

And the R value goes back above 1

[Goku]

Search and Destroy, on 27 April 2020 - 05:42 PM, said:

With all these local reports of the lockdown being ignored it makes you wonder if the public are happy to go with the Cummings train of thought

Government sets the tone. Not a strict enough message, hence why I’ve been supping in my garden with pals, I just don’t know what to do

[Westbars Spireite]

fishini, on 27 April 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

As businesses begin to open up traffic will increase.

True but nothing’s changed yet.

Goku, on 27 April 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

Government sets the tone. Not a strict enough message, hence why I’ve been supping in my garden with pals, I just don’t know what to do

You bad bounder you.

[dim view]

Goku, on 27 April 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

Government sets the tone. Not a strict enough message, hence why I’ve been supping in my garden with pals, I just don’t know what to do

Perhaps Cummings could get the Chief Scientific Advisor to tamper with the stats to make the situation seem worse, so that you and your pals conform. You know, a bit like what Campbell did.

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.msn.com/...fJd3?li=BBoPWjQ

[fishini]

Goku, on 27 April 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

Government sets the tone. Not a strict enough message, hence why I’ve been supping in my garden with pals, I just don’t know what to do

Not a problem just as long only you and your pals get covid 19 and you don't kill anyone else