[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 26 April 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

Well what a shock

https://www.theguard...ominic-cummings

He was an active member after all. Love how the government won’t say if he attended previous meeting when the ‘test and trace’ strategy was dropped and ‘herd mentality’ option was taken up

Oops meant ‘herd immunity’

Not one but TWO 'advisors' at a supposedly independent meeting, then.

Clearly Cummins needed back-up in case someone, somewhere didn't quite get the message.

But unqualified and unelected bureaucrats dictating policy?

Sooooo glad we left the EU 'cos we Brits don't tolerate that kinda thing.

Anyway, what's needed is an investigation and report exposing the whole shady business.

Y'now, just like the one lifting the lid on all that Russian interference in British politics...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 26 April 2020 - 02:46 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

fishini said:

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No but because he's a vile person who believes in eugenics proven by the creature he hired. Maybe you believe in eugenics that's why you like him and the Tories.

So simply put, he is not fit to be in any part of government, rather than meeting A,B or C?

[Wooden Spoon]

Hospitalisation rates due to Covid 19 now being reported as falling. That’s good news.

[fishini]

DEATH, on 26 April 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

So simply put, he is not fit to be in any part of government, rather than meeting A,B or C?

He's not fit to be anything. A waste of good oxygen.

[Wooden Spoon]

fishini said:

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He's not fit to be anything. A waste of good oxygen.

I read he’s been involved in some capacity or other with the Tory party since the mid 90s.





It’s only recently that I’d heard of him though. Not sure I’d want to share a room with him.

[mr. smith]

DEATH, on 26 April 2020 - 07:16 PM, said:

I read he’s been involved in some capacity or other with the Tory party since the mid 90s.





It’s only recently that I’d heard of him though. Not sure I’d want to share a room with him.

director of strategy for ids in 2002, quit after 8mths
special advisor for gove 07-14.
never been a member of tory party

[Search & Destroy]

mr. smith, on 26 April 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

director of strategy for ids in 2002, quit after 8mths
special advisor for gove 07-14.
never been a member of tory party

Obviously well connected and well regarded

[mr. smith]

Search and Destroy, on 26 April 2020 - 08:36 PM, said:

Obviously well connected and well regarded

When you dig around you can’t add well liked to that list.

[Wooden Spoon]

mr. smith said:

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When you dig around you can't add well liked to that list.

So how/why has he managed to maintain his status/position/influence? What makes him the “ go to “ man for the likes of Gove and Johnson?

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 26 April 2020 - 05:45 PM, said:

He's not fit to be anything. A waste of good oxygen.

Because he is a Tory? although not a member of the party... Or because he is rich? or because he has a different opinion to you? I hated Campbell and I hate Cummins, but its role not person....

[isleaiw1]

DEATH, on 26 April 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

So how/why has he managed to maintain his status/position/influence? What makes him the “ go to “ man for the likes of Gove and Johnson?

Pretty sure he isnt paid to be liked, just like union officials arent. Or people who do my job. It doesnt make him a bad person. Although he probably is...

Was his the best approach to the crisis? we will never know and it wouldnt be my view, but when the recession hits, jobs are lost and taxes go up, should we remember what he wanted to do?

[spireiterob]

DEATH, on 26 April 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

So how/why has he managed to maintain his status/position/influence? What makes him the “ go to “ man for the likes of Gove and Johnson?

Be genuinely interesting to hear about his years spent in Russia.

[fishini]

isleaiw1, on 26 April 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

Because he is a Tory? although not a member of the party... Or because he is rich? or because he has a different opinion to you? I hated Campbell and I hate Cummins, but its role not person....

Stop being so self righteous for a change and climb down off your high horse, I hate the man because he was willing to sacrifice old people for the economy, because he believes in eugenics and yes for being a tory. I'm surprised you don't know him, you seem to know someone connected to almost every topic on this board

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 26 April 2020 - 09:15 PM, said:

Stop being so self righteous for a change and climb down off your high horse, I hate the man because he was willing to sacrifice old people for the economy, because he believes in eugenics and yes for being a tory. I'm surprised you don't know him, you seem to know someone connected to almost every topic on this board

Nope I dont do politics or their connections. Except the MP for part of a west yorkshire town - labour.

All of life is a compromise, we could save more people if we spent more on NHS, we could probably save people who dont really have a quality of life.

And its not self righteous, you set yourself up by being so black and white, I dislike politicians, PR gurus above all - but they are doing a job, doesnt make him a bad individual he is just looking for what might be best for country. You may disagree, I disagree - but it doesnt make him a waste of oxygen anymore than you who seems to want him dead...

But have a good week, hope it goes well and your family and friends stay safe.

[plannerj]

spireiterob, on 26 April 2020 - 09:04 PM, said:

Be genuinely interesting to hear about his years spent in Russia.

You might be able to hear about it but you won’t hear much!

[Wooden Spoon]

spireiterob said:

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Be genuinely interesting to hear about his years spent in Russia.

What was he doing in Russia?

[spireiterob]

plannerj, on 26 April 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

You might be able to hear about it but you won’t hear much!

Mr Johnson might have a few stories of his own https://www.opendemo...d-page-3-model/

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 26 April 2020 - 09:21 PM, said:

Nope I dont do politics or their connections. Except the MP for part of a west yorkshire town - labour.

All of life is a compromise, we could save more people if we spent more on NHS, we could probably save people who dont really have a quality of life.

And its not self righteous, you set yourself up by being so black and white, I dislike politicians, PR gurus above all - but they are doing a job, doesnt make him a bad individual he is just looking for what might be best for country. You may disagree, I disagree - but it doesnt make him a waste of oxygen anymore than you who seems to want him dead...

But have a good week, hope it goes well and your family and friends stay safe.

There’s seeing things in black and white like Fish does and there’s being the epitome of a centrist like you are where you seem to land dead centre on every single issue going. Neither are desirable, though I would definitely side with Fish on not backing somebody saying they’re happy for a few elderly folk to die, whereas, like usual, you’re trying to find the perfect centre to every comment a politician has said.

‘Why are you calling him a bad person? Because he’s a Tory? Oh, because he believes in eugenics and he’s ok sacrificing old folk. Ok, he probably is a bad person. But still, you shouldn’t say that, and it doesn’t make him worse than you’.

Watching you try and stay in the perfect centre at all times is like watching a robot overheating saying ‘does... not... compute’.

This post has been edited by Goku: 27 April 2020 - 07:20 AM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 26 April 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

So how/why has he managed to maintain his status/position/influence? What makes him the “ go to “ man for the likes of Gove and Johnson?

Simple answer to that, pal - he gets results.

Instrumental in the 'leave' campaign and putting Bozo where he is.

Not sure who's the puppet and who's pulling the strings, here (even top tories have spoken against him - then there was Sajid Javid's exit) but it speaks to the current state of politics that those who shouted loudest against unelected EU officials will tolerate this 'advisor'.

But anyway, let's not allow this to distract us (perhaps intentionally) from the real issues: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 27 April 2020 - 08:22 AM

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 27 April 2020 - 07:17 AM, said:

There’s seeing things in black and white like Fish does and there’s being the epitome of a centrist like you are where you seem to land dead centre on every single issue going. Neither are desirable, though I would definitely side with Fish on not backing somebody saying they’re happy for a few elderly folk to die, whereas, like usual, you’re trying to find the perfect centre to every comment a politician has said.

‘Why are you calling him a bad person? Because he’s a Tory? Oh, because he believes in eugenics and he’s ok sacrificing old folk. Ok, he probably is a bad person. But still, you shouldn’t say that, and it doesn’t make him worse than you’.

Watching you try and stay in the perfect centre at all times is like watching a robot overheating saying ‘does... not... compute’.

I am pretty centrist because i think that is best for most people most of the time, rather than trying for an extreme that makes a few very happy and more than a few unhappy.

But I think saying someone is a waste of oxygen is about the same as wishing him dead - which is seemingly what Fish dislikes him for.

For what its worth, I do believe that there is a place for the Swiss model on ending life voluntarily and putting people out of their misery.

I dislike Cummins though, and his ilk.

This post has been edited by isleaiw1: 27 April 2020 - 08:12 AM