[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 23 April 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

But hold on a minute - Brexiters have spent the last four years sneering at anyone suggesting the British people were conned, that they were incapable of telling fact from fiction.

Yet here you are saying they can't handle the truth? They're too stupid to process all the information? They'd 'panic'?

Infact you sound like a member of some 'metropolitan elite' talking down to others...

Blimey I take my hat off to you for managing to switch that to Brexit chat

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 23 April 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

Blimey I take my hat off to you for managing to switch that to Brexit chat

Cheers, pal.

But my point? The same British public perfectly capable of deciding their future in or out of Europe but not, according to you, capable of handling corona facts?

Can't pick and choose what 'will of the people' is, tha knows...

[Search & Destroy]

Not really sure what to say, Brexit was a referendum with both sides making their point

Once in the referendum and twice in a GE

Plus the EU referendum is not even close to the virus in terms of gravitas.

Anyway without trawling back I think I was just suggesting why they may be releasing information in the way they are, it was just a theory.

200000 may die and the economy could collapse is different to tariffs on whiskey or lamb don’t you reckon?

[CFC91]

Not really read much in to but why do you thinking we aren’t testing the full amount out capacity allows us?

Say the government get the testing capacity to 25k, surely they have done their bit? You can take a horse to water and all that. We aren’t going to hit 100k by the end of this month and that’s another topic, even if the government delivered their bit and got us up to 100k capacity.

I know of a dozen or so front line staff, only a couple have been tested despite being aware they are eligible, and I’ve no idea why this is

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 23 April 2020 - 04:31 PM, said:

Genuine question for anyone to answer re the point that we could be second only to the USA in fatalities. Why is it assumed that all the other countries are reporting genuine figures and not that they themselves are under reporting due to the way they count the numbers?

I don’t think it is. I saw a article about who does, who doesn’t and who are changing their methods but I can’t find it. I think it’s a mixed batch in Europe to be honest. Interestingly in USA only NY state has started to count community deaths, which confuses their picture nationwide.

I know for sure Spain only counts hospital deaths as there is a real controversy and stink about it. I suspect France and Italy do the same

I guess the point remains, we are lead to believe we are a couple of weeks behind mainland Europe, so we may end up with the highest death toll in the first wave anyway. Some models have show that

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[CFC91]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 23 April 2020 - 05:03 PM, said:

Cheers, pal.

But my point? The same British public perfectly capable of deciding their future in or out of Europe but not, according to you, capable of handling corona facts?

Can't pick and choose what 'will of the people' is, tha knows...

To be brutally honest after all the panic buying and pathetic behaviour we’ve all criticised in this thread caused by the information about lock downs and Covid 19 being in the public domain you can see why we’d not want to cause another panic and empty the shelves or cause uproar, public disorder or whatever.

Nothing Brexit related caused that. The two aren’t linked at all and the link is very tenuous.

[Search & Destroy]

CFC91, on 23 April 2020 - 05:49 PM, said:

Not really read much in to but why do you thinking we aren’t testing the full amount out capacity allows us?

Say the government get the testing capacity to 25k, surely they have done their bit? You can take a horse to water and all that. We aren’t going to hit 100k by the end of this month and that’s another topic, even if the government delivered their bit and got us up to 100k capacity.

I know of a dozen or so front line staff, only a couple have been tested despite being aware they are eligible, and I’ve no idea why this is

My niece is a carer and a patient was sick all over her two days ago, the patient was positive for covid so they said she should be tested, was a 50 mile round trip into Nottingham city centre, so it’s not a ten minute job

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

CFC91, on 23 April 2020 - 05:51 PM, said:

To be brutally honest after all the panic buying and pathetic behaviour we’ve all criticised in this thread caused by the information about lock downs and Covid 19 being in the public domain you can see why we’d not want to cause another panic and empty the shelves or cause uproar, public disorder or whatever.

Nothing Brexit related caused that. The two aren’t linked at all and the link is very tenuous.

I'm not gonna labour the point, my friend. Just my mischievous way of hinting double standards. Thought you'd have got it but, well, never mind.

Anyway, as for the testing thing, it's all pretty simple; when Bozo or one of his henchmen promise tests I think they should be held to their word. Not some unprovable 'capacity' for tests, but actual tests.

And to somehow blame frontline staff for not submitting themselves? I'm on a tablet so can't post a link, but the missus has just shown me a video of that despicable Hopkins women accusing public service workers of being unprofessional 'cos they've had a dance or two to relieve the stress. With typical insinuations they AREN'T short if PPE as the were wearing some at the time.

Let's not go down a similar road as her, eh pal?

[JonB]

Search and Destroy, on 23 April 2020 - 06:16 PM, said:

My niece is a carer and a patient was sick all over her two days ago, the patient was positive for covid so they said she should be tested, was a 50 mile round trip into Nottingham city centre, so it’s not a ten minute job

There was a story on the news yesterday and I only half caught it but fairly sure they said a nurse who lived in the Lake District enquired about getting a test for her daughter who was poorly potentially with the virus and needed to be tested to see whether she could then go to work or have to isolate. She was told she’d have to travel to stansted airport got the test!! Stansted is a crap long journey from here let alone up there.

[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 23 April 2020 - 06:16 PM, said:

My niece is a carer and a patient was sick all over her two days ago, the patient was positive for covid so they said she should be tested, was a 50 mile round trip into Nottingham city centre, so it’s not a ten minute job

Well they have said that all critical workers and their families can be tested from tomorrow, so that might mean they get closer to their 100,000/day figure. I wonder if there has been a cynical decision here.

Two things that spring estimates suggest that could include 10M people, so anyone can work out how long could take at that testing rate and that people will need to be tested periodically for it to be effective. It doesn’t address your point about making theses tests available locally.

I wonder if the government has made another rod for their back

[azul]

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The Earl of Chesterfield, on 23 April 2020 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'm not gonna labour the point, my friend. Just my mischievous way of hinting double standards. Thought you'd have got it but, well, never mind.

Anyway, as for the testing thing, it's all pretty simple; when Bozo or one of his henchmen promise tests I think they should be held to their word. Not some unprovable 'capacity' for tests, but actual tests.

And to somehow blame frontline staff for not submitting themselves? I'm on a tablet so can't post a link, but the missus has just shown me a video of that despicable Hopkins women accusing public service workers of being unprofessional 'cos they've had a dance or two to relieve the stress. With typical insinuations they AREN'T short if PPE as the were wearing some at the time.

Let's not go down a similar road as her, eh pal?

Never mind all that.

Wor I want to know, on reading that B & Q is reopening nationwide, is how travelling to fetch paint or an angle grinder disk constitutes an essential journey? Have they started selling bog rolls or has B & Q management decided to unilaterally unlock lockdown?

Seriously though, do I get a fine if I tell a copper I am going there?

[isleaiw1]

dim view, on 23 April 2020 - 08:09 PM, said:

Never mind all that.

Wor I want to know, on reading that B & Q is reopening nationwide, is how travelling to fetch paint or an angle grinder disk constitutes an essential journey? Have they started selling bog rolls or has B & Q management decided to unilaterally unlock lockdown?

Seriously though, do I get a fine if I tell a copper I am going there?

And JLR are starting building cars as have Aston Martin. And Taylor Woodrow and Bovis are starting to build houses again (well, in Bocis' case lobbing some stuff together and calling it building...)

I could understand B&Q being open for essentials as things do break in the house.... however, fully opening and selling bedding plants (when garden centres cant) is taking the urine....

Although a friend had some sleepers and top soil delivered this week, again hardly essential.

If only we were as disciplined at sticking to what needs to be done as some of our European neighbours - Croatia have announced their phased plan to release lockdown today....but they stuck to it from day 1.

[CFC91]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 23 April 2020 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'm not gonna labour the point, my friend. Just my mischievous way of hinting double standards. Thought you'd have got it but, well, never mind.

Anyway, as for the testing thing, it's all pretty simple; when Bozo or one of his henchmen promise tests I think they should be held to their word. Not some unprovable 'capacity' for tests, but actual tests.

And to somehow blame frontline staff for not submitting themselves? I'm on a tablet so can't post a link, but the missus has just shown me a video of that despicable Hopkins women accusing public service workers of being unprofessional 'cos they've had a dance or two to relieve the stress. With typical insinuations they AREN'T short if PPE as the were wearing some at the time.

Let's not go down a similar road as her, eh pal?

How are they similar? I’m asking why aren’t we maxing out the capacity for testing? I don’t know the answer hence the question. I’m guessing you don’t know either hence the lack of an answer so I’ll throw it back out there. Why aren’t we?

My friends and family on the front line have said varying things along the lines of ‘haven’t got symptoms, haven’t got time between shifts to queue, the testing centres aren’t local, still working so won’t bother until there’s an antibody’

The only ones that have been tested have been the ones that got ill so maybe that symptomatic of the rest of the country.

Think you’ve taken a very innocent simple question and twisted it into some sort of insinuated dig at my own friends and family on the front line. Tad OTT

Quite how you’ve linked any of the above to Kate Hopkins who isn’t really relevant to anyone or anything I don’t know. If she said it was dark outside I’d still open the curtains to check. an irrelevant nobody who speaks to get people talking about her, so she’s had you hook line and sinker there. Best way for people like that to disappear is for people just ignore and they’ll go away.

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Search and Destroy, on 23 April 2020 - 06:16 PM, said:

My niece is a carer and a patient was sick all over her two days ago, the patient was positive for covid so they said she should be tested, was a 50 mile round trip into Nottingham city centre, so it’s not a ten minute job

Seems a logical explanation. When are the local ones including the one at the ground due to be operational? If the government are serious about ramping up a testing strategy I assume they’ll need more of these centres up as running ASAP

[moondog]

isleaiw1, on 23 April 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

And JLR are starting building cars as have Aston Martin. And Taylor Woodrow and Bovis are starting to build houses again (well, in Bocis' case lobbing some stuff together and calling it building...)

I could understand B&Q being open for essentials as things do break in the house.... however, fully opening and selling bedding plants (when garden centres cant) is taking the urine....

Although a friend had some sleepers and top soil delivered this week, again hardly essential.

If only we were as disciplined at sticking to what needs to be done as some of our European neighbours - Croatia have announced their phased plan to release lockdown today....but they stuck to it from day 1.

A mate of my missus husband works at B&Q Sutton in Ashfield he reckons they sold 20 hot tubs today !

[Mr Mercury]

moondog, on 23 April 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

A mate of my missus husband works at B&Q Sutton in Ashfield he reckons they sold 20 hot tubs today !

That's the thing, lots of people are furloughed, less hours etc, but many are still working full time, either in essential jobs, from home or were they can work following social distancing guidelines, these people are still on full income with much less to spend it on, i.e. Holidays, weekends away, days out, eating out, pubs, even your regular weekend football/racing bets etc so there is available expenditure there. It's not a recession, as such, were people have no extra income to spend, it's a recession were people have no available outlet to spend! It's difficult to see how that side of life will pan out!

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

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But hold on a minute - Brexiters have spent the last four years sneering at anyone suggesting the British people were conned, that they were incapable of telling fact from fiction.

Yet here you are saying they can't handle the truth? They're too stupid to process all the information?

The remain supporting board member Misnomer said that very same thing about thick brexit voters.




The same things were said about those on both sides....both of which lied to try get the public to vote their way. Put those lies aside, many people were capable of sensible debate as many did.

[moondog]

Mr Mercury, on 23 April 2020 - 09:28 PM, said:

That's the thing, lots of people are furloughed, less hours etc, but many are still working full time, either in essential jobs, from home or were they can work following social distancing guidelines, these people are still on full income with much less to spend it on, i.e. Holidays, weekends away, days out, eating out, pubs, even your regular weekend football/racing bets etc so there is available expenditure there. It's not a recession, as such, were people have no extra income to spend, it's a recession were people have no available outlet to spend! It's difficult to see how that side of life will pan out!

You're right. I'm working from home (although to be honest I'd take furloughing and 80% of pay not to) but the upside is I'm saving a small fortune

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

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a video of that despicable Hopkins women accusing public service workers of being unprofessional 'cos they've had a dance or two to relieve the stress. With typical insinuations they AREN'T short if PPE as the were wearing some at the time.

Really, has she said that? Christ on a bike, she will say owt and sink to new depths just to remain in the public eye won’t she.